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10-05-2009 12:44
Smith - if you don't see post #273 as even SLIGHTLY mean, there is no communicating with you. Why do you take such issue when no one was even talking with you to begin with? I think Belle and I are fine with each other. "Unthinking" = "unintentional" - same thing - I even told her I felt it was unintentional - but why do you feel a need to butt in, let alone call me names in the process? From: Mickey so why not offer up that venue to a HUGE population that is unaware of what SL has to offer. People have offered many reasons in this very thread. Do you not see that a "huge" new population of anything is going to change SL? A huge influx of people who expect this to be a place to find real life partners is not going to change SL's social fabric or expectations? If you think it's not, you're kidding yourself. From: Smith Peel Again, you interpret an innocent statement as an attack against you.
WHEN did I use the word attack? I said I wasn't sure if I was communicating well with you or if you were taking the piss (joking.) Sheezy Peazy.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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10-05-2009 12:52
From: Melita Magic
Do you not see that a "huge" new population of anything is going to change SL? A huge influx of people who expect this to be a place to find real life partners is not going to change SL's social fabric or expectations? If you think it's not, you're kidding yourself.
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ok....now I see why I'm not getting my point across. Voice would have taken care of that in five minutes - lol. I'm talking about offering them up the dating venue. Hitting up a site that already has the mechanics for the match-up in place....not trying to create a whole new match-up service....just offering up the scenery and activities. It's already here. They don't know it's here. I have no problem with a huge influx....but that's because I have a store. I'm not seeing new people in the last few months. First time I've not met a handful of new people, since I've been here.
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10-05-2009 13:01
From: Mickey Vandeverre ok....now I see why I'm not getting my point across. Voice would have taken care of that in five minutes - lol. No, because I pay attention to the words that are chosen, more so than vocal inflection. Of course, in voice, both factor in, especially the latter: If someone is being sarcastic, even "how are you" can mean something else. But this is not voice. So, word choices count. From: someone I'm talking about offering them up the dating venue. Hitting up a site that already has the mechanics for the match-up in place....not trying to create a whole new match-up service....just offering up the scenery and activities. It's already here. They don't know it's here. Not sure I follow, since "the," "a," and "it's" can mean many things. Are you referring to your earlier post in which you said people already 'hook up' but there is simply no formal (and LL stamped) way to do it yet? But that a search of 1L page and a more detailed 1L page would correct that? If so, that's what I think is a mistake (for us existing members - not for LL's bottom line. As a way to make more money and get more teens/early 20s in here, that is a good way. For LL and for those groups.) And it will surely change things in SL. It will add social pressure that wasn't there before - which will drive some of us either out completely, or more into solitary things like building, scripting, creating things to sell. Which also would not upset LL I'm sure because that does not really hurt their bottom line (except the walk-outs, which I'm sure is ok with LL as a numbers game - more would come in than walk out.) If LL does implement a more detailed and a searchable 1L page, then also allow those of us who don't want to be included, to omit our 1L page altogether. That's a nice compromise - not that LL would see it that way. If they did, though, it would be very kind. From: someone I have no problem with a huge influx....but that's because I have a store. I'm not seeing new people in the last few months. First time I've not met a handful of new people, since I've been here. In a purely monetary way it might be a good decision. Again, I just hope that they make that other option available for those of us who aren't looking to get RL laid.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-05-2009 13:02
From: Mickey Vandeverre I'm talking about offering them up the dating venue. Hitting up a site that already has the mechanics for the match-up in place....not trying to create a whole new match-up service....just offering up the scenery and activities. It's already here. They don't know it's here.
You expect a company that invented their own broken IM protocol rather than use Jabber to do something sensible?
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Mickey Vandeverre
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10-05-2009 13:20
From: Melita Magic No, because I pay attention to the words that are chosen, more so than vocal inflection. Of course, in voice, both factor in, especially the latter: If someone is being sarcastic, even "how are you" can mean something else. But this is not voice. So, word choices count.
. ok....well, that sentence I wrote about being able to get the point across in voice....was a little friendly humorous jab....I always fall short on that here. In voice....no problem....you would laugh. I have yet to discover the key to pulling that off in forum....in RL my sarcasm is never a problem....never. It's very frustrating for us comedians, you know. Have a heart. From: Melita Magic
Are you referring to your earlier post in which you said people already 'hook up' but there is simply no formal (and LL stamped) way to do it yet? But that a search of 1L page and a more detailed 1L page would correct that?
If so, that's what I think is a mistake (for us existing members - not for LL's bottom line. As a way to make more money and get more teens/early 20s in here, that is a good way. For LL and for those groups.) And it will surely change things in SL. It will add social pressure that wasn't there before - which will drive some of us either out completely, or more into solitary things like building, scripting, creating things to sell. Which also would not upset LL I'm sure because that does not really hurt their bottom line (except the walk-outs, which I'm sure is ok with LL as a numbers game - more would come in than walk out.)
If LL does implement a more detailed and a searchable 1L page, then also allow those of us who don't want to be included, to omit our 1L page altogether. That's a nice compromise - not that LL would see it that way. If they did, though, it would be very kind.
In a purely monetary way it might be a good decision. Again, I just hope that they make that other option available for those of us who aren't looking to get RL laid.
I can't give an exact model. I wouldn't have a clue how to pull it off technically. If I were still using the dating sites....I would prefer that the information I gave over there....stay over there.....and not be transferred to SL. But I was always very, very discreet when I used those sites....about the only thing that you could identify would be a state - I think that is required. I don't care to have my location identified to the whole of SL. To be honest....knowing what I know about both types of sites....I would not combine the two, myself....but I think 50,000 other people might. I'm just a wee bit jaded.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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10-05-2009 13:22
From: Argent Stonecutter You expect a company that invented their own broken IM protocol rather than use Jabber to do something sensible? Today is my day to use SL and RL for fantasy, Argent. Do not pressure me to do RL today!
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Melita Magic
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10-05-2009 13:27
From: Mickey Vandeverre ok....well, that sentence I wrote about being able to get the point across in voice....was a little friendly humorous jab....I always fall short on that here. In voice....no problem....you would laugh. I have yet to discover the key to pulling that off in forum....in RL my sarcasm is never a problem....never. It's very frustrating for us comedians, you know. Have a heart. I honestly was not upset or even annoyed at all. I was just typing out a complete & factual response, in my own mind. See, maybe voice would benefit me, too. Lol. Those times I did use voice, I got a lot of voice-compliments actually. No one ever would argue with me in voice or in RL, but maybe having a soft, velvety voice in reality blunts a lot of my points. In text, I feel I am more 'me' when I try to debate. In voice, no one takes a soft voice seriously. But, vocal tones do help avoid confusion at times when I was not annoyed, but a bit amused, or detached. From: someone To be honest....knowing what I know about both types of sites....I would not combine the two, myself....but I think 50,000 other people might. I'm just a wee bit jaded. I wouldn't either. But it probably is the wave of the future. Future generations are just going to see society completely differently than current ones do.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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10-05-2009 13:53
From: Melita Magic I honestly was not upset or even annoyed at all. I was just typing out a complete & factual response, in my own mind. See, maybe voice would benefit me, too. Lol.
Those times I did use voice, I got a lot of voice-compliments actually. No one ever would argue with me in voice or in RL, but maybe having a soft, velvety voice in reality blunts a lot of my points. In text, I feel I am more 'me' when I try to debate. In voice, no one takes a soft voice seriously.
But, vocal tones do help avoid confusion at times when I was not annoyed, but a bit amused, or detached.
I wouldn't either. But it probably is the wave of the future. Future generations are just going to see society completely differently than current ones do. Well, there you go.....the last couple of pages here, are a pretty good example of why some people prefer voice.  I used to do fine on the plumbing and construction forums. You're not talking about people and their styles and their emotions there....just projects. Was hard getting used to this forum and the general subject matter. Takes a bit more finesse.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-05-2009 13:57
From: Mickey Vandeverre I used to do fine on the plumbing and construction forums. There's a PLUMBING forum???? 
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10-05-2009 14:01
From: Scylla Rhiadra There's a PLUMBING forum????  There's a forum for EVERYTHING, Scylla. You really do need to get out more. Plumbers are Hot. Sizzling.
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10-05-2009 14:02
From: Mickey Vandeverre There's a forum for EVERYTHING, Scylla. You really do need to get out more.
Plumbers are Hot. Sizzling. LOL!! I'll take your word for it. The ones I've met have tended to be . . . well, up to their elbows in toilet bowl. 
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Melita Magic
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Mickey Vandeverre
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10-05-2009 14:20
LOL! Not the visual I was trying to relay! Had to do a double take on that gal in the shower, though....that looks like the last pic I dropped off for the guys in that forum.
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Melita Magic
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10-05-2009 14:46
From: Mickey Vandeverre Had to do a double take on that gal in the shower, though....that looks like the last pic I dropped off for the guys in that forum. LOL - really? I had a feeling they put that pic in for gender equity or something (so they won't be accused of singling out the guys.) I didn't think she had a very egregious example of the condition.
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Ciaran Laval
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10-05-2009 15:04
From: Desmond Shang Hmmm...
This may be... the wrong tack, I don't know... but if tools for dating are created, let the dating people use them, and the rest of us don't have to. Personally I see that as being the end of the issue. I don't know why everyone seems to think it will turn the whole place into a dating site, the CSI linkup didn't turn the whole place into a stage for CSI, the education sims haven't turned the whole place into one big University.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-05-2009 15:07
From: Ciaran Laval Personally I see that as being the end of the issue. I don't know why everyone seems to think it will turn the whole place into a dating site, the CSI linkup didn't turn the whole place into a stage for CSI, the education sims haven't turned the whole place into one big University. Those aren't changes in the user interface.
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Smith Peel
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10-05-2009 15:36
From: Melita Magic Smith - if you don't see post #273 as even SLIGHTLY mean, there is no communicating with you. You gonna have to be more specific than that  From: Melita Magic Do you not see that a "huge" new population of anything is going to change SL? A huge influx of people who expect this to be a place to find real life partners is not going to change SL's social fabric or expectations? If you think it's not, you're kidding yourself. I fail to see is how anybody else's expectations have to affect me unless I let them. From: Melita Magic WHEN did I use the word attack? I said I wasn't sure if I was communicating well with you or if you were taking the piss (joking.) Sheezy Peazy. Then suffice it to say that we weren't taking the piss 
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Ciaran Laval
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10-05-2009 16:14
From: Argent Stonecutter Those aren't changes in the user interface. The user interface is changing whether you like it or not. Philip mentioned this recently.
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10-05-2009 16:16
From: Ciaran Laval The user interface is changing whether you like it or not. Philip mentioned this recently. Yes, but Argent's point relates to HOW it is going to change. Building the components of some kind of dating service right into the interface would represent a MAJOR change to the way that we experience SL, far overshadowing the arrival of universities here, etc., etc.
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10-05-2009 16:18
From: Scylla Rhiadra Yes, but Argent's point relates to HOW it is going to change. Building the components of some kind of dating service right into the interface would represent a MAJOR change to the way that we experience SL, far overshadowing the arrival of universities here, etc., etc. We're getting into the realms of pure speculation though. The first life tab exists, the interests tab exists, they are under utilised as is. It's hardly an earth shattering move to actually make them more useful.
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10-05-2009 16:24
From: Ciaran Laval We're getting into the realms of pure speculation though. The first life tab exists, the interests tab exists, they are under utilised as is. It's hardly an earth shattering move to actually make them more useful. Agreed. And maybe they should be more useful. But, they should also be optional. The OP is really all about speculation: how will LL accomplish taking SL in what certainly seems to be a new direction? That's the heart of this thread.
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10-05-2009 16:31
From: Ciaran Laval The user interface is changing whether you like it or not. Philip mentioned this recently. Indeed. They may make good changes, they may make bad ones. This particular piece of information indicates that they might be making bad changes. If they do, we will not be able to avoid them by staying out of the CSI sims or staying out of the education sims. That is to say, this change is not similar to the ones you referred to in the message I was responding to. And that is the point. Glad to see you agree.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-05-2009 16:32
From: Ciaran Laval We're getting into the realms of pure speculation though. The first life tab exists, the interests tab exists, they are under utilised as is. It's hardly an earth shattering move to actually make them more useful. Since nobody here has any clue as to what these changes might be, under what basis are you assuming that the changes will be limited to simply making those tabs more useful?
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10-05-2009 16:36
From: Scylla Rhiadra a/s/l ???? Why yes, I do know some American Sign Language, but why the slashes? 
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10-05-2009 16:38
From: Argent Stonecutter Since nobody here has any clue as to what these changes might be, under what basis are you assuming that the changes will be limited to simply making those tabs more useful? Pure specultion based on the OP saying: "what kind of details I'd like to see in profiles.. i.e. search by interests, rl age, marital status and other rl info" That's the sort of info that would belong in the first life and interests tabs.
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