ok. The end is nigh

I'm talking about... what might Linden Lab actually implement. And, you know, it could be anything.

and so do you so it might be something intrusive, which you know damn well I'll complain about, or it might be something that those of us not interested merely ignore.

Ah yes, the 'identity verification' flap. They went on that relationships were built on trust so you *needed* to know the RL details of people.

As people can probably guess, the concept of sex verification went over REALLY well in the transgender community.

It didn't go over well with the female community. Many saw it as a one step path to harassment.

Trust was never going to be built on knowing someone's rl age, gender or location, but I feel LL still want to play this card.

Ironic, since they have given so little for us to trust them about.

You wanted to know what the big deal was. The big deal is the possibility that it might be invasive. LL has a habit of doing that kind of thing.

Even if they did add this to our profiles, how would it be implemented? Would we enter it ourselves? Just like the rest of the profile, you could type anything you want there. It doesn't mean it is true. Or would they try a Real ID verification scheme?

If it's invasive I have a Ceera Murakami Pitchfork to hand you and we'll go protest.

Well, maybe it'll be fun to have a date with Elvis.

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Aes

You probably had the same laugh as I did when people were talking about 'ASL' then!


Oh I find it tremendously handy! My family finds me there, most of them assume it is my primary social networking site, then they never look for me on other sites.

It is not like there is a text<->voice translator though.

I have been to several support groups and such where it was stated or otherwise obvious that some of us were not using/could not use voice. Like when everyone there knows at least one person at the meeting who is Deaf it does not take a big leap to guess those people MIGHT not be able to use voice.

Anyway, people tend to be jerks at times. Because it was easier for them to use voice they continued to do so.

Then we get a split where none existed before.

Has LL giving us ANY thing to trust them about?

No, voice is not always an issue of choice.
I was at a non-social group and some people were using voice. Their choice as they said it was an individual option and I was not required to use it. Sure enough, a few minutes later they were complaining that I was not on voice too.

No kidding.

And no kidding again.

You mean you do not insist on seeing the passport of everyone you meet?

It is frustrating though, I think LL is missing the point that trust is, well, trust. Assuming it is handled like the age verification it became it will be like a bad door lock. I would much rather have someone who I can tell has integrity promise they will not open an unlocked bathroom door than put that lock between me and someone who wants to open it.

Did that analogy make any sort of sense?

Yes that makes sense, trust is something you earn. Some people do take advantage there but trust is something we feel, not something you grant by virtue of a piece of paper.

Right, there is absolutely nothing some 3rd party can do to make me trust someone who I do not get the sense of trust from, and vice versa.

Just found out my credit card was stolen. Most likely via itunes. (All roads point there.) Since I had given someone online an itunes gift certificate it really makes me wonder if they could've somehow gotten into my account that way. Who knows?

I think people who do not shy away from revealing too much online are being foolish. Any time I have let my guard slip even a bit, it's come back to bite me right in the butt.

If LL begins putting people's real information into their SL profiles without express permission, they should face lawsuits. If they do so with express permission, it's still putting people in harm's way, in my opinion. Especially women.

I didn not say you wanted it to be removed. I acknowledge Voice had an major impact, but that impact is both positive and negative, and in the long run I think the positive far outweighs the negative.
It's only divisive because of the extremists at each end stuffing it up for the rest of us, they force communities to divide because they don't respect the view of others, features don't kill communities, people kill communities..........blah.blah.blah....

And if they add the option of RL dating , it will be the same the NO RL info Brigade vs the RL info for everyone brigade, they will divide the comunities ruining it for the majority who just want the freedom of choice to use it or not.

This.

There's plenty of social networking opportunities all over the web for anyone who wants to partake of them. I use SL to escape the RL overload, not to add to it.

You mentioned this earlier, and I agree: IF e-dating features are going to be incorporated into SL, I'd be fine with a toggle that allows me to opt completely the hell out of it. The only thing I use my 1L panel for is to let people know that I don't mix RL and SL.

For the love of God, don't give them any ideas! They're already halfway there as it is!

You make it sound like a choice. I've tried it. I can't use it. Not won't. Can't.

Ugh! I'm sorry to hear about the card, Melita; that really sucks.

It's remarkable how LITTLE information is actually required to hunt someone down. I have, to my certain knowledge, been sort of "cyberstalked" by at least one person, who was working for the most part not on direct and concrete information, but on hints that I had dropped over time. He was able to figure out where I worked at that time, information that could have led (and for all I know, perhaps did lead) to a pretty exact identification of my RL identity. Fortunately, he was a friend, and someone I actually do trust not to take it any further. But he might have not been.

And once the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, it's hard to go back, at least without recourse to an alt. I have been indiscreet enough over time in the past that there is a fair amount of RL info about me floating around out there. It's a slippery thing, because it DOES come to seem an issue of "trust" with your closer friends (and certainly with lovers).

The most important tip I give to noobies, and especially women: do NOT reveal anything about your RL that might conceivably help someone track you down. I live in a city of about four and a half million: the size of the population was not really adequate to protect me.

/me Googles Canadia cities of 4.5 million....

OK tasteless joke... but see how easy it is to let revealing info slip?! :X

LOL, yeah.

But I think I've already given away my city of residence many times in this thread. NOT very clever, eh?