Critic Sought

ITs not up to me, or to you. my point was...

Its the way it IS

imogen

I think this club should be named "The Fight Club"

The *rules* are handed down from on-high by the powers that be. But etiquette is exactly that which you claim it not to be. It's the unwritten rules of what is more and less acceptable to the community, "written" by the community, and varies widely. When in Rome. To lurk for a bit before posting is good advice that pertains to any online venue, and even carbon-based ones. The OP posted for "Critic Sought". A better understanding of local etiquette would see the folly in that.

"Why would you post random crap on my thread? Seriously, bug off - You didn't even bother to IM me ingame to see it."

That is not a polite or professional reply to someone who might be a customer in the future. Why not say:

"Thank you for your interest in Club Awesome. We are looking for honest critique of or build. Please give us your honest opinion. We appreciate your patronage and would be happy to discuss other topics at the club. So come on down and have a look. Thank you."

My review stands, I will not be attending.

Don't you have some bots to put out and customers to lie to?

Oh wow! I leave the forums and SL for a while and come back to see that not much has changed! LOL.........nice to know there is still consistency in the world!

Way to try and make the situation in this thread worse, Phil!


What do you do for an encore?, throw Gasoline onto burning buildings?

The OP overreacted, I agree, but the reaction was to the first reply in the thread - a sarcastic reply. The original post was perfectly polite and normal

But you didn't overreact at all ..

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I know what etiquette is, thank you. You are very wrong that a group of regular posters decided it though. And you are very wrong to even suggest that people ought to lurk a while before posting. This is Resident Answers. It is not a sub-forum that people need to get the hang of before asking for help and assistance. There is no etiquette about that.

The OP's post was *not* a folly, as you say. It was a perfectly normal request, which didn't require anything other than arriving in the correct sub-forum and posting - no lurking, or anything like that was needed or even useful. It was a few of the users who don't know how to behave in the forum who screwed it up with their small-mindedness. This is a Linden Lab forum. It doesn't belong to the users, and the users don't decide the rules, etiquette, or anything else for it.

Gosh, I really love your posts, Philip!.

Except all evidence in this thread points to the contrary. Other than one kind-hearted soul who went way above and beyond the call of duty, and went out of her way to help, the OP nearly got nothing. The *regular* posters by definition ARE the ones who set the etiquette. The probability simply is that one of the regulars is going to be first to reply which chooses the fate of the thread. The behemoth undead thread everyone loves to hate is another prime example of that. The OP (of this thread) made the mistake many people make of forgetting this is a group of *people*. Maybe you spend too much time around bots yourself. We are not servants, we are not machines. SoyLent is PEEPLE. *Resident* Answers in particular. If one wants to come here and ask those people for something, especially a request that requires getting off one's digital butt and go do something (after begging for the LM) common decency dictates putting in even a small amount of token effort oneself. Like say getting to know a little bit about the people you are asking the favor of? The title alone showed a clear disrespect of that. Lurk + Learn.

The relevant evidence is in the first and second posts. The first was a polite request, and the second was sarcasm. The second poster was out of order. There is no defense of the second post which, as you say, set the tone of the thread. It was sheer stupidity.

No doubt that was because this forum has too many idiots in it.

The regular users set nothing here. There is no etiquette like you described here. You are not only barking up the wrong tree, you are barking up a non-existant tree.

That's true. It's a shame that there are some stupid regular users who don't mind posting sh*t, and an even bigger shame that there are more who blindly follow.

The OP didn't make that mistake. There isn't a "group" of people here. There are some residents who post here. There is no group that anyone should try to fit in with, and no group that sets the forum etiguette or anything else about the forum. I don't know how to say it any more clearly. This is not a user-owned forum, and the users have no say in anything about it. Only the owners decide things here, and their decision is there for all to see - in a nutshell, post your questions. It's as simple as that. Don't lurk first - it isn't necessary - jusr ask. How bloody arrogant to suggest getting a feel of the regulars before posting, as though the regulars had any importance whatseoever.

They are much more sensible than some of the people here.

You right - you are nothing.

You are not very used to the web, are you? It is common for people to ask for critiques. In some forums, there are even sub-forums for that very purpose. If people want to come here and ask for a critique, they are absolutely free to do so. They don't ask you, or anyone else, personally, so it's none of your business - or anyone else's. If people don't like something, stay out of it - it's not the people's forum. Like all the users here, you are nothing, you have no importance, you don't matter, you are not needed. If you think that you have anything at all to do with this forum, think again.

The point is Phil, is that 2k's reply was silly, but the OP asked for critical opinion, and it is possible that one could have truly thought it sucked and it is quite likely from the OP's reaction that any criticism other than in favour could have drawn a similar response.

Although obviously 'it sucks' alone, wouldn't have been helpful criticism.

I understand what you are saying, Dekka. The OP definitely overreacted to 2k's post, and that's what really set the tone. But it was a silly post for a first response, and should have been left until later. There was a thread about such things a while back. We don't really know whether or not the OP would have accepted negative critiques, because it was scuppered straight away, and that's a shame, because asking for critiques should be very useful all round.

The idea of lurking a while before posting is a nonsense of course, but imagine someone actually doing it. Imagine someone wanting to post a question, but while lurking a while they see how the regulars dealt with this thread, and the current "my friend has a problem" thread (although that one did get back on track), and others. Some people simply wouldn't want to risk that sort of treatment from the regulars, and the very purpose of Resident Answers is undermined by some regulars.

There are just too many busibodies here (one is too many), who can't help but post in threads that are of no interest to them, and they have nothing worthwhile or helpful to contribute. It's a shame that the forum is unmoderated and left to the wolves. (There are moderators but they don't moderate)

I only looked in this thread because somebody told me how "nasty" some of the regulars are being.

Phil, if you are going to take up cudgels on behalf of sensible forum behaviour, practicing what you preach is always a good move.

The second isn't an example of the first.

Dunno who pissed on my cornflakes, but I am very close to catching the person who took a dump on my Frosties, cos at the moment there are not greeeaaaaaaat, they taste like crap.

Judgement and accusation. And not sensible or constructive either.

Judgement of some, but nobody specifically. Not accusation. It's not an example of the first.

I'll let you argue the semantics with yourself then.

Thank you.

My definition of polite varies from your.the second post offered exactly what the title requested.You've got that backwards. When the owners get off their pedestals and lower themselves to do their own dirty work this fantasy of yours may come true. In the meantime they leave it to Residents to create the answers. So Residents as a whole control everything by what they do or do not respond. If you don't bear that in mind when posing a question, I feel no simpathy for the answers you get. And the "regular" posters, by volume share, control that the most.It's also common for people to lurk. Usually as to not make a fool of themselves coming thru the gate. non-people tend to post rather nonexistent replies. What exactly is this forum made out of if not people? I most have missed when LL installed knowledgable forum bots.BTW, the hollow personal attacks net you negative points if anything. I know what I am. A drop in the bucket. Not much individually, but not nothing either. More importantly, the more drops of water that move in the same direction it can cause a force. If my opinion is counter to the flow it will do little. If it is in alignment adds a little increase to the flow. It's that overall sum I keep coming back to. That's how the *people* of the forum control it's direction.

Then you should look it up in the dictionary.

Now, you may think that a title in isolation is what a thread is all about, but most of us realise that the post itself has some bearing on it 2k's post was a reply to the OP's post, and not to just the title.

Sadly, it is a fantasy, and the owners are at fault. But that doesn't mean that it's good to behave in the way that some people behave here. And it doesn't mean that the regulars make any decisions about the forum and how it operates. Each regular is a big fat zero here - including you and me.

In the light of this thread, that doesn't speak well of you. But you are defending the nastiness in this thread, so it doesn't surprise me.

You think I'm interested in scoring points? And there were no personal attacks - hollow or otherwise.

We are all nothing here. You stop posting, and who is any worse off?

That was my impression as well. Also the OP sounds very demanding, as if it was our obligation to come and see her club. Her posts and reaction clearly show a lack of comunication skills. However I will go and have a look anyway.....I am off a curious natur.

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