Critic Sought

lol, SLU is just one big arse kissing club. The main userbase opitimises a clique.

Bravo, Trout. Well said.

To the OP (if she ever checks back here):

Honestly, my first thought when I read your post was "ah HA! Thinly veiled ad and attempt to increase traffic."

Even so, I'd've given you the benefit of the doubt and gone over, looked the place over, and given you feedback...if you hadn't got all snooty and offended and picked up your marbles and huffed off home.

And over such a minor dig! I have 2K on my Ignore list, but I checked to see what he said that so offended you. It was a gentle nudge in the ribs, with a side helping of irony.

Get a thicker skin. You're going to need it if you hang out here (and really, I DO recommend hanging out here.) You'll also need it if you're going to run a public venue like a club.

Good luck!

The guy I was responding to made his post here, and an identical one at SLU. All I'm saying is that they are less tolerant of the antics of the OP in this post than we are. If you go there and act like a prima donna, you can expect a lot worse than she got here. Regardless of your opinion of SLU, you have to admit that's true, right?

If you want to argue that there's some secret clique bent on excluding people or whatever, present hard evidence of a clique. The guy I responded to posted a pretty good thread and got a bunch of pretty good answers. One person made some snotty remark to him and the alleged "clique" came to his defense and shot down the guy who got snotty with him. I don't see how he has a right to come in here and bitch about the "clique". He's biting the people that fully supported him in the thread he's complaining about. If he's still complaining about the guy that picked on him, it was ONE guy! You can't have a clique with only one person in it.

See - the problem here is one of poor strategy. The guy I responded to used the worst possible argument for the existence of a clique. He never analyzed his argument and it never occurred to him to look at the thread and realize that he had almost universal support. Now he's undermining that support by insulting his supporters. It's just poor strategy.

My comments were for the posters who seem to take a delight in berating serious threads. I recognise that this may be a minority, and apologise without reservation if my comments were interpreted as directed at the majority. Probably my perceptions to date are such that I don't understand the style of posting. I am all for members taking 'ownership' of a forum, that does develop a good community feel, but I do sense a degree of flippancy sometimes, which can be taken wrongly. I interpreted that to source from a clique. I didn't want to start an argument or even stir trouble, I posted as I saw at the time. I tend to support the little guy most of the time.

Opinions on clubs:

Do NOT get a microphone that repeats everything you say.
Do NOT scream in all capital letters all the time.
Do NOT spam with ASCII art in chat.
Do NOT spam your loyal customers with contests, giveaways, whatever, 4 times a day in Group Notices. Once or twice a week is plenty. Even that is sort of stretching it for me, but I'm a recluse. What I'd love to see is a club that has a variety of music on specific days of the week (e.g. Monday is Metal, Tuesdays is Jazz, Wednesday is 80's Night, or whatever.) Publish the schedule on a texture, slap it up on the wall of the club, and stick to it. Advertise in Events. But for God's sake, avoid multiple Group Notices every single freakin day.

Honestly, the build is the last thing I look at when entering a club. If the people are halfway fun, I'll stay. But if the music stinks and the DJ is an annoying git, I'm out of there.

Just one girl's L$2.

Ive been a member of SLU since it's inception and read it on a daily basis so I am well aware of what the forum is like. I saw the OP's post on SLU and the responses were predictable



The Clique on SLU is not secret by any means and is pretty obvious to anyone who doesnt conform with the cliques views, opinions, etiquette or decorum.

From Wiki : A clique is an exclusive group of people who share interests, views, purposes, patterns of behavior, or ethnicity.

To quote you again...

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By your own example you have demonstrated that members of the SLU clique will generally react in the same way and demonstrate the same patterns of behaviour when confronted with a poster who doesn't conform (to the cliques viewpoint).

Woo, looks like he got lots of critics. Admittedly, you're critical of each other and not his build, but it's a start.

Business as usual then

Of course this happens in any forum.....but nice reminder once in a while to a new poster....to hang in there, and proceed....and ignore some.

I prefer to contribute in a thread where people are helping each other, without the clique nastiness...."Advice on Sales" is a really good example of how people can help each other out....not one bad apple in the bunch.....not one raw comment.

Malina....hop on over to that thread with some positive vibes....we've been giving each other very helpful critiques....just make sure you return the favor, to those who offered one up for you.......and good luck with your club...

Pretty much.

Never seen someone crack so fast as the OP. This *so* isn't the place to be if tomfoolery and bickering are going to peg your emo-meter.

One also should consider the skepticism many of us have for the "come in world and check out my club, tell me what you think" posts.

Come on. Really? There isn't even a tiny bit of spam in that omelete?

Please.

And how many of us thought "Oh Great!! Another Club!!"

FFS there are some nasty people on these boards

Malina , I too will be happy to take a look and give you an honest opinion. If you could send me a land mark I'll take a look as soon as I can.

how is it bothering you, you don't "have" to do anything, it was a simple request. I am still amazed at how nasty some people on these boards can be. Just sayin!

"Not reading this thread no more. "It sucks" is not a joke, nor is it a valid critique. Message ingame if you'd like to come check it out. Otherwise, spam this thread at leisure or actually go find something to do. I really don't care. I've better things to do than read this junk."

Just sayin.

QFT

Hey, don't stop posting, I've experienced some nastyness too, but I refuse to let it bother me to the point that I will stop posting. The more people who post in these forums the better.

Dang

OP = Good luck with your club, shouldn't over-react to 2K though, he likes it.


Porky - who pissed in your cornflakes?



Carry On.

This things still going?

Has anyone who offered genuine help ever received a LM??? I suspect not. There is no club. You've all been had once again. The title of this thread said what the OP was looking for. Opinionated people that could be poked with a stick and sent into a tizzy. The OP stages a hissy fit and then conveniently leaves. While an alt or two occasionally pop in to stir and keep things simmering. Seriously, let this one die. If the community wants this forum to stop being a haven of this crud you've gotta stop feeding it.

there is a club, I im'd them in game, went and saw it, it is nice, no flashy lights, not quite finished, totally not open being it is not finished

I liked the design they had going, looked cool

being they said they would not be looking back in this thread, I decided to im them in world, and yep there is a club

Yes. We must not become the Children of Vaal

Whole-hearted agreement from me.

1. The OP was perfectly polite when asking for help. Your statement should have been, "It's not too much to ask that people reply sensibly to genuine posts". The first reply the OP got was sarcasm. Great! What a wonderfully nasty forum this is.

2. *You* are not this forum and *you* don't ask people for anything here. Nobody starts threads for your benefit, or to satisfy you.



I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again. This is a forum, folks. It's for discussing all manner of SL related things. If you don't have anything worthwhile, constructive or sensible to contribute to a thread, stay out of it. It's not *your* forum. Unfounded criticism isn't worthwhile, constructive or sensible. There are some small-minded regular posters in this forum, who just love to judge and accuse people. In this case, it may be (wrongly) thought that asking for a critique is a business ploy. If you think that, keep it to yourself or start another thread. Nobody wants to read it - except the other small-minded people.

Resident Answers is *ONE* forum... each forum has its own rules and particular netiquette. What is acceptable here may not be acceptable on another forum (for example a family friendly forum would not allow any sexual content, while another might encourage it).

Resident Answers has become a place where sometimes the basic forum netiquette is stretched beyond what is comfortable for some people, but

It is what it is, not what any particular person wants it to be!

Its not much use saying "If you don't have anything worthwhile, constructive or sensible to contribute to a thread, stay out of it." In RA this happens. People do this all the time in RA. Sometimes it happens in Post Number Two... sometimes it happens in post two hundred and two, but it almost always happens at some point. If you are going to get all up amongst yourself about it, its best to stop reading the thread.

In my early days online it was advised to lurk for a while before posting, so you didn't get into difficulty or get any rude shocks... Its still good advice. If you step into a puddle without knowing how deep it is, don't be surprised if the cold water hits your goolies.

/me braces herself for the backlash to this, but stands by it.

Imogen

You might well brace yourself for the backlash.

You are right that each sub-forum has it's own rules, but wrong that each has it's own etiquette. No ordinary forum user decides the rules or etiquette, and no group of forum uses decides them. As you rightly pointed out, this is "Resident Answers", but it not a forum for turning on people who ask for help. It is forum for providing help. Read the rules that you seem to like.

Read this thread from the start. The OP was perfectly polite and had no appearance whatsoever of being anything other than a request for critiques, which is something that is very common, and encouraged on the web. Immediately, one person posted with sarcasm. Soon afterwards, others posted with blatant trolling; e.g. it's just a business ploy, and stuff like that. Soon enough the idea that there is no such club emerged, and it was Rhaorth who confirmed that it does. Is this the forum netiquette that you speak of? Is this what Resident Answers is about? Is this the way you want Resident Answers to be?