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Tegg Bode
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11-27-2009 17:00
Getting wished a "A Happy Thanksgiving" continuously by Americans, even though I don't celebrate it..(I'm not American ...Yes..it's a shocker, not EVERYONE in SL is American) Either get over it and get on the piss with everyone else or just piss off  _____________________
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Ceka Cianci
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11-27-2009 17:08
I think you will find that the first documented thanksgiving was 2 years prior to this, in 1619, in the Berkeley Plantation in Virginia. These colonists even had the clause enjoining them to perform a thanksgiving in their articles before setting off. There is documentary evidence of the actual thanksgiving on both sides of the pond, in “The Berkeley MSS: the Lives of the Berkeleys, lords of the honour, castle and manor of Berkeley in the county of Gloucester from 1066 to 1618, with a description of the hundred of Berkeley and its inhabitants" by John Smyth of Nibley, and in the 'Smyth of Nibley Papers' in New York Public Library, available to read online. Still, never let historical accuracy get in the way of a good story, I supposed if Columbus is allowed to take credit for discovering America then the Pilgrims can take credit for Thanksgiving too. Now I would be impressed if any American on this list (without Googling) knew when to wish a Muslim 'Happy Eid' (either of them), or a Hindu 'Happy Diwali', or Germans 'Happy Unity Day'. Rock That was part of the article..I did not write that part of it..As i said i just googled and did not even read it..Just luck of the draw to see what happens.. Thanksgiving to me and my family is about the harvest..We're farmers ourselves as well as other things..The natives at the time were farmers as well and had been celebrating it long before the pilgrims had ever came to the continent because it was harvest time as well.. We still celebrate it as the harvest.. In fact the day before thanksgiving we had actually finished our harvest of our fields..  In my eyes it is about wishing anyone a good harvest in harvest season no matter where they are in the world.. As far as Muslim holidays or other countries..I couldn't tell you much about their holidays or when to say happy holiday to them.. Just as they wouldn't know certain Apache holidays or celebrations we may have.. I couldn't tell you much about a lot of current American holidays but some of the big ones myself lol  _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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11-27-2009 17:10
I think you will find that the first documented thanksgiving was 2 years prior to this, in 1619, in the Berkeley Plantation in Virginia. These colonists even had the clause enjoining them to perform a thanksgiving in their articles before setting off. There is documentary evidence of the actual thanksgiving on both sides of the pond, in “The Berkeley MSS: the Lives of the Berkeleys, lords of the honour, castle and manor of Berkeley in the county of Gloucester from 1066 to 1618, with a description of the hundred of Berkeley and its inhabitants" by John Smyth of Nibley, and in the 'Smyth of Nibley Papers' in New York Public Library, available to read online. Still, never let historical accuracy get in the way of a good story, I supposed if Columbus is allowed to take credit for discovering America then the Pilgrims can take credit for Thanksgiving too. Now I would be impressed if any American on this list (without Googling) knew when to wish a Muslim 'Happy Eid' (either of them), or a Hindu 'Happy Diwali', or Germans 'Happy Unity Day'. Rock Can you? And if so, how can you prove you didn't Google it? Just sayin..... _____________________
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Willow Laviscu
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11-27-2009 17:34
Wow this thread got big!
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-27-2009 17:44
Wow this thread got big!  _____________________
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Darkness Anubis
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11-27-2009 18:28
I am American and I HATE Christmas.
I hate Christmas music and displays in stores that start in mid September. I hate all the TV adds aimed at kids for crap they will play with for 5 minutes and forget but the parents get to hear "I want it" for months. I Hate the behavior of people in stores during the Christmas shopping season. ANyone remember folks being trampled to death at walmarts on black friday? And I hated as a kid getting presents under the tree that said happy birthday from santa. It is a commercial nightmare and I avoid it at all costs. so Happy Bah Humbug seasons to all and to all a good night. _____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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11-27-2009 18:36
Can you? And if so, how can you prove you didn't Google it? Just sayin..... Yes I can. Having worked in the Middle East for 7 years, and meeting many migrant Hindu Indians there, and in the Far East for 9 years, and in an International Organisation in Europe for the last 8 years, I think I know most of the public holidays in all those places. Being well-read, I think I know quite a number of others too, including the main American ones. Here is a puzzle for you. Which country has the fewest public holidays? (Here is a clue, it also has the most!!) Rock |
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Tod69 Talamasca
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11-27-2009 18:51
Getting wished a "A Happy Thanksgiving" continuously by Americans, even though I don't celebrate it..(I'm not American ...Yes..it's a shocker, not EVERYONE in SL is American) HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!! _____________________
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Tod69 Talamasca
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11-27-2009 18:56
I am American and I HATE Christmas. I hate Christmas music and displays in stores that start in mid September. I hate all the TV adds aimed at kids for crap they will play with for 5 minutes and forget but the parents get to hear "I want it" for months. I Hate the behavior of people in stores during the Christmas shopping season. ANyone remember folks being trampled to death at walmarts on black friday? And I hated as a kid getting presents under the tree that said happy birthday from santa. It is a commercial nightmare and I avoid it at all costs. so Happy Bah Humbug seasons to all and to all a good night. I am with you on this. I HATE when I'm told "Happy Holidays"..... NO!!! Its "MERRY CHRISTMAS!!" I feel sorry for Thanksgiving, its like the unwanted step-child of holidays. Stores go from Halloween right to Xmas. I HATE that!!! I refuse to go into any store this time of year (except a liquor store). I will order all my stuff online. The ONLY nice thing is, around this time of year, plenty of deer meat to go around! Gotta love a state that considers the first day of Deer Season a day off of work. _____________________
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Dove Randt
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11-27-2009 18:58
OMG Count grow up...
and happy thanksgiving......*sticks out tongue at people's ignorance and idiocy* _____________________
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Dove Randt
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11-27-2009 19:02
and it is Merry Christmas..gosh darn it...I aint changing what I say to suit the complaints of others..I say screw you go F yourself and mind your own holidays and let others celebrate theirs without you having to bitch and complain because its offensive.
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Ceka Cianci
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11-27-2009 19:15
Tis the season to be jolley..faaa laa lalala laaa laaa laaa laaaaa..
if you listen really close you can hear the pitter patter of joy seeping into you all pitter patter pitter patter oh  there it was again heheheheh_____________________
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Rock Vacirca
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11-27-2009 19:19
I work with guy that wishes me Happy Ramadan at the beginning of his fasting month every year, and I am polite enough to wish it back at him, without taking an offense even though it is not my religion. . No Muslim ever wishes 'Happy Ramadan' to anyone, not even to another Muslim. Ramadan is a time of fasting, of spirituality and purification. It is the Eid ul Fitr celebration at the end of fasting that is wished on other Muslims (not on non-Muslims). I worked in several Islamic countries in the Middle East for 7 years, and I can tell you that no-one ever wished me Happy Eid, it was myself and my fellow expatriates who wished them Happy Eid, which they thanked us for, and is the way it should be. I would never dream of wishing a Muslim Happy Christmas, but they wished it to me. Rock |
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-27-2009 19:29
No Muslim ever wishes 'Happy Ramadan' to anyone, not even to another Muslim. Ramadan is a time of fasting, of spirituality and purification. It is the Eid ul Fitr celebration at the end of fasting that is wished on other Muslims (not on non-Muslims). I worked in several Islamic countries in the Middle East for 7 years, and I can tell you that no-one ever wished me Happy Eid, it was myself and my fellow expatriates who wished them Happy Eid, which they thanked us for, and is the way it should be. I would never dream of wishing a Muslim Happy Christmas, but they wished it to me. Rock ETA: He has been in America for many years and seems to have gotten a rather strange sense of humor around some things. ETA Also - wish I had known that I'm not suppose to be saying it back at him. He has now managed to escalate our inside joke at my expense and it explains his odd quirky smile. _____________________
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Peggy Paperdoll
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11-27-2009 19:31
No Muslim ever wishes 'Happy Ramadan' to anyone, not even to another Muslim. Ramadan is a time of fasting, of spirituality and purification. It is the Eid ul Fitr celebration at the end of fasting that is wished on other Muslims (not on non-Muslims). I worked in several Islamic countries in the Middle East for 7 years, and I can tell you that no-one ever wished me Happy Eid, it was myself and my fellow expatriates who wished them Happy Eid, which they thanked us for, and is the way it should be. I would never dream of wishing a Muslim Happy Christmas, but they wished it to me. Rock And you were in their country living within their culture..........you were proper to abide by their cultural expectations. But here in this country (USA) our culture is quite different........we wish everyone pleasant or happy holidays without regard to their faith. We also accept their greetings even if they are not relevant to any of our cultural expectations without expressing indignation or offense (most of us do anyway). So countries having holidays that are only celebrated among the tight group within that particular culture will just have to understand that they are dealing with a different culture when they are using SL. It's an American based company operating under American law that is derived from American culture. If that offends then the choice to leave is a very real option. There is also the choice (due to our culture) to bitch about it too........but expect just what has happened in this thread. Remember it's our culture.........it's every bit as important to us as it is people of other cultures for theirs. |
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Jig Chippewa
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11-27-2009 20:03
FFS.How about this...... Everybody, regardless of nationality or religion.....Go to Hell. Better?  Geez, lighten up already. One thing is for sure SLers will never rule the world from the web - we're too busy arguing with each other about saying Happy Birthday for F***'s sake. _____________________
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Everland Usher
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11-27-2009 20:05
The guy I work with does, but it is probably more related to an inside joke since it didn't happen until such inside joke. Also, from what I can tell, he does the fasting and observes some of the practices, but not all of them. ETA: He has been in America for many years and seems to have gotten a rather strange sense of humor around some things. ETA Also - wish I had known that I'm not suppose to be saying it back at him. He has now managed to escalate our inside joke at my expense and it explains his odd quirky smile. You are sure he doesnt say Eid Mubarark? (sorry if i spelled that wrong). Anyways, I think is a nice tradition to have to stop to think what you are grateful for, Americans do it, Jews do it, I used to to do it before I got married IRL ( I was always "sick" on new years eve, just cause I loved being alone, "doing inventory" of my life). I think its healhy to stop thinking about what you like and apperciate in and about your life (and what you would like to change). If you call it Eid, if you call it Thanksgiving, if you call it Jom Kippur (which is more about forgiving, but still..) I dont care, like your life! Appricate some parts. Enjoy - it might be gone before you know etc ... |
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Seven Okelli
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11-27-2009 20:25
We need a Lou Dobbs Day, for people who hate holidays.
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Bec Sadofsky
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11-27-2009 20:31
ok after reading all this what 8 or 9 pages....
This is my take. when someone wishes me well or whatever that is nice. and if you can not accept it then well pfffft. Religion? Heck I dont care what one you belong to or not to. Does it make my world go around nope. I make my world go around. And if you are unhappy by peeps wishing you well or good tidings or what ever dude you need a clue! Just take it accept it and say thank you. Do I get rude when the canadian friends say Happy boxing day nope. I wish them that too. Am I canadian nope but does that matter. It is hmmm humanist so to speak. Bec _____________________
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Jannae Karas
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11-27-2009 21:10
Yes I can. Having worked in the Middle East for 7 years, and meeting many migrant Hindu Indians there, and in the Far East for 9 years, and in an International Organisation in Europe for the last 8 years, I think I know most of the public holidays in all those places. Being well-read, I think I know quite a number of others too, including the main American one. Rock The main thing I've gotten out of this thread is that Rock is no spring chicken. My own work in the Middle East lasted less than a year. _____________________
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Tod69 Talamasca
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11-28-2009 01:08
FFS.How about this...... Everybody, regardless of nationality or religion.....Go to Hell. Better? Geez, lighten up already. I shall top that with a "HAPPY FKing Whatever" _____________________
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Tod69 Talamasca
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11-28-2009 01:12
Many pre-Christian cultures had a holiday around the winter solstice, usually to celebrate the fact that thereafter, the days began to get longer, heralding the fact that the sun had not abandoned the people and would soon return warmth and a bountiful harvest. There is also psychological benefit in making merry during the darkest part of the solar cycle, when many people experience seasonal depression. The Roman Catholic church piggybacked onto this tradition by setting a date near the winter solstice as that of Jesus of Nazareth's birth. Most biblical scholars today say it's more likely he was born in the spring. Christmas is only the third most important holiday on the Christian calendar. But the choice fit rather well, since Jesus's birth was said to portend the coming of a new and more humane world, just as the sun's return promised a new lease on life for agricultural people. The fact that the Christian appropriation of this holiday "stuck" does not entitle Christians to claim ownership of it. It is a time worthy of celebration apart from all religion, and in any place where people have a variety of beliefs, that is how it should be publically celebrated. (I think it was Jesus who said something to the effect that people who insist on publicly exhibiting their religious piety are usually guilty of the sin of pride.) Do you know how many times I got detention in High School for explaining that to the Nuns?? _____________________
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Tod69 Talamasca
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11-28-2009 01:21
Hmmmmm..... come to think of it....
I never heard anyone who wasnt American wishing me a "Happy Whatever". So does that mean only Americans wish happiness upon others??? _____________________
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Seven Okelli
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11-28-2009 03:41
Hmmmmm..... come to think of it.... I never heard anyone who wasnt American wishing me a "Happy Whatever". So does that mean only Americans wish happiness upon others??? No, no, no. In the UK, people say, "Happy Christmas" and in Spanish and Italian (at least) they say "Happy New Year" |
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Kara Spengler
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11-28-2009 04:57
Getting wished a "A Happy Thanksgiving" continuously by Americans, even though I don't celebrate it Try getting wished "Merry Christmas" for the next month. It does no good to try to point out to people that quite a bit of the world's population are not in the religion that celebrates that. _____________________
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