My Thanksgiving pet peeve....

Because the winter solstice (Yule) was SPECIFICALLY co-opted by the early Christians. There are plenty of examples of the same pattern. They would move into an area, see people were celebrating whatever there at a certain time of year, then 'happen' to mark a holiday about that time so they could claim the locals were celebrating their thing. Eventually, most of the people celebrating at that time of year had completely forgotten the historical origins. This can usually be spotted by looking for strange traditions or events at times of the year which do not make sense.

They did pretty much the same thing with deities too. People in Ireland petitioning Brigit for example eventually found themselves showing reverence to St. Bridgit. Or how Odin eventually became santa claus (St. Nick).

Ok, you do not get to go to the Beltane , er, 'party'. Happy?

Can I use that? Merry go to hell everyone and to all a good night.


/me waves and glares at Pep

/me tacklehugs Rio

I would like to add that when i did this search on google..It was to see how thanksgiving came to be a holiday in America..That is probably why it was about the American dates and not the thanksgivings that went on before that in another country..

I guess this whole thread being about the American version of Thanksgiving and the story being about the American version of thanks giving must have thrown you for a loop..

The pilgrims didn't bring thanksgiving to America and Columbus didn't discover America or whoever they wish to say really did.

We had been in America long before them doing the harvest celebration the whole time each year..Those noobs were just trying to claim what had already been claimed long before they were even in diapers LOL
Historical accuracy..You have it now hehehehe

Good one!

Sounds like we both have the same opinion in this thread of historical nebbishes just plopping down their baggage without looking what is already there. We just are looking at it from two different cultures though.

[OB SL comment: One runin with a noob was one asking who would stop him if he decided to build a house next to me on land somebody else owned. ]

Anyone know of a online Holiday Calendar that does an unusually good job of including holidays from all nations, cultures, religions, etc.?

I hate Lou Dobbs. ..... .....
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/me withers . . .

Pep ( . . . a bit.)

No takers?

I found this out a few years back when I was given a diary which included the public holidays of every country. Out of curiosity I counted them, and found that China (mainland) had the fewest (the Communists in banning religion also banned the religious holidays), while paradoxically, Hong Kong, now one of China's territories again, had the most (they had all the traditional Chinese holidays, the British and Christian Holidays, and the Indian holidays).

I am pleased to see that some of the holidays that had a religious/philosophical origin, that were banned by the communists in China, are now making a big come-back, including the beautiful Lantern Festival, and the Ghost Festival (Chinese Halloween).

Rock
PS: It is true, I am no spring chicken (except in SL), but I like to think I have worn well

don't get me wrong..i love the holidays..i love seeing people getting excited and i love seeing people that have things in common..

i love learning about other cultures also..I would love to hear about other countries and other cultures and their holidays or things they celebrate..wish me a happy whatever day it is..i'll ask about it out of interest and have ..most love to explain their holidays to people that don't know about them..

before i came to SL i thought it was just another game that you could talk to people around the country..
then i found myself meeting people from all over the world..i was like Wow this is great..
having friends all over the world..that was something that just amazed me..

it also showed me that people are the same all over..
that until you learned where they were from you couldn't tell the difference that they were from anyplace..

as soon as affiliations came into play everything was fine..

i would meet someone and we would start talking and after a bit..where are you from..
oh i'm from here or i'm from there..ohhh you are from there?OO

i have had people ask me and i say i am from american and them actually say they couldn't talk to me anymore because i was from a country they didn't like..but the second i said i was apache they changed and said they were sorry..well you are the real american and the ones i hate are the ones that did things to you..

i just walk away from that kind of mad myself..
one minute we are talking fine and enjoying a conversation..then find out i am from some place and i suck...then find out i am from the same place but in their eyes somewhat different and now i am ok?
i might be ok to them now but they just lost being ok for me because they just showed how stupid they are..

i may be Apache..but i do enjoy a lot of the good things we have in America as well..
i would be a hypocrite if i said any different..it's too easy to jump on the hate train and nit pick about the past..i wouldn't have made all the friends i have now if i took the easy train lol.I am Apache American
insult me now because of then and it's time to dance LOL


here we are in this cool place that gives us a chance to see how the rest of the world is. we're in a place that we can communicate with people from all over and learn about each other..instead a lot decide to draw more lines and stand behind them throwing rocks any chance that comes up keeping ignorance alive..

i don't think we should be giving credit or blame to anyone that wasn't living in the past times like they were there..
i'm sure not gonna love or hate anyone because their kind loved or hated my kind 100 or 200 or 1000 years ago..

the world wastes too much time and energy over hate that they were not a part of..
we should be working on getting past it and learning positives from it instead of negatives..

I'm not saying people shouldn't be proud of where they came from or who they are or where they live or that they shouldn't stand up for certain things they believe in..

but insulting celebrations is not standing up for what we believe in..it's insulting someone enjoying their heritage..
SL is an international company and being so America is part of that international gathering..
if other countries don't go around wishing happy whatever days they have.. that is their option..but as americans it's something we do..it's not america and the international world..it is the international world and america is part of that..
it doesn't matter if there were 1% of us here..

it just seems the closer we get to each other the farther we get from live and let live..

Sorry for babbling on .i'm just enjoying my first cup of tea this morning and feeling kind of mushy lol

I do not mind them celebrating, as long as they do not assume everyone else is marking the same event that day. What annoys me is when they do the 'we get to lay a SOLE claim because our event is bigger'. The 'what is wrong with a manger scene on public property?' people .... well, as soon as they put up something else for each and every other religion that pays for that public property too.

I always find it funny that myself, my partner, and her family always have a dinner on Dec. 24. I find it amusing that people would call it a "christmas eve dinner". Amusing because there are Pagans, Athiests, and Jews there but no Christians.

The real problem is that there is a "public" space to begin with. Most government buildings are little more than temples to the false god of the state. We would be much better off with fewer people worshiping the government. But then even Baal had his worshipers when he demanded the death of the first born in his burning furnaces. In a way that is little different than how governments feed our children into the fires of war, they die while the priests(or politicians) grow fat and happy.

LOL

i'll party for any reason..it's doesn't have to be anyones holiday or it can be one i never heard of

just give me the day or week off and let me out of the office and i'm as happy as a clam the basket missed hehehehe

I don't do Columbus day though.. i take that day off of work in protest LOL


oh by the way everyone Happy National American Indian Heritage Month LOL

i'm on my 4th cup of tea and just lettin things fly out hehehehhe

Dear Brenda:


http://www.roflposters.com/AMERICANS-dont-worry-we-outnumber-you-EPICLY/965175/

Why does that link not surprise me coming from you?

what country was it you said you were from again?

I didn't...that was directed playfully at Brenda, and her alone, I do love America and Americans, just not when then assume the rest of the world revolves around their holidays, etc

I guess you have a reading problem if you think that was directed at Brenda alone. The caption mentions all Americans..........not Americans with an SL avatar named Brenda Connelly.

You not only insulted every American you insulted every human being with a disability. You're a stone cold idiot.............a moron.

Count - Where You Live ?? - We Invade You Next !!

*sings*
No one likes us
I don't know why
We may not be perfect
But heaven knows, we try
All around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one
See what happens!

Y'all just wait til China's the superpower. Have fun with that!

What she said. I'm guessing that the count is a juvie. Grown up people generally display a bit more sensitivity.

Better burn your cash, then. It says "In God We Trust."

Btw I'm not sure where anyone sees a church inside a state capital building, or an altar in a city owned building. Maybe someone can explain to me what some here are so bent out of shape about.

The case I referred to involved a small town that was sued because the person suing did not want them to have ANY holiday decorations, including stars, which are hardly religious. It's ironic that people of faith are pointed to as the 'zealots' as you put it when atheists can be every bit as rigid as any 'holy roller' can be, if not more so. In my not-so humble experience.

(IIRC this included in public shopping areas, since the 'sidewalks belonged to the city.' It was NOT about city money.)

I want this engraved and framed, please. Or better yet, on google's page.

You're right, it's ENDEMIC on the internet. I've left forums in the past because the pages were eaten alive with it.

You invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, but we'll fight you until our last dying breath if you try to invade us next (we have lots of oil as well)...Bring it!