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Ann Launay
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03-25-2008 20:11
I has pie®!

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I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Rioko Bamaisin
Unstable Princess
Join date: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 4,668
03-25-2008 20:13
Remind me to put Ann on mute so she can't tempt me into raiding my cabinets looking for something equally tasty as a pie.:(
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Maggie McArdle
FIOS hates puppies
Join date: 8 May 2006
Posts: 2,855
03-25-2008 20:13
From: Rioko Bamaisin
Trout is our leader now? Does that mean we have to sleep with him and rub his feet?:o

and he's gonna expect dancing in skimpy outfits and grapes....geesh!!
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Gabriele Graves
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03-25-2008 20:14
O.o nice outfit Ann - where do you shop?
No square pie there though - I'll take a donut instead :)
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Swan Legend
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Join date: 6 Nov 2007
Posts: 275
03-25-2008 20:17
From: Kismet Karuna
Let me rephrase it.

Everyone here who is obviously part of the clique claims that it isn't a clique. Except for when they admit it, like Chris did. But of course, I am still paranoid and just lying while calling people liars.

Everything isn't about you, have never seen a post from you until this thread, and I have no clue who you are. Right now I am leaning towards "acute hanger-on" whose own paranoia seems to make them think that everything I say here is an address to every poster here, including you.

I've been a round for a while. I know pretty much who fits the bill and who doesn't. You don't need to worry that I think you are part of the clique, unless you continue to try and force it by acting like you are.



youre mean!
Ann Launay
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Join date: 8 Aug 2006
Posts: 7,893
03-25-2008 20:17
From: Gabriele Graves
O.o nice outfit Ann - where do you shop?

lol, EVERYWHERE. That dress is from Armidi, though.

(And I have a milk bottle pendant, because it amused me. =^.^=)
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From: someone
I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
3Ring Binder
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Join date: 8 Mar 2007
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03-25-2008 20:19
From: Kismet Karuna
Everyone here who is obviously part of the clique claims that it isn't a clique.

all i know is, based on your behavior, if there is a clique and you're in it, i don't want to be.

let it go already. you are pointing fingers in every direction, but your own.
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Maggie McArdle
FIOS hates puppies
Join date: 8 May 2006
Posts: 2,855
03-25-2008 20:20
From: Isabeau Imako
I like your clique, Brenda. Can I join?
(I double checked my spelling before posting this..)

me too. ill bring the jellies!
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There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.
Gabriele Graves
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Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
03-25-2008 20:23
I hate cliques - clique, clique, clique everywhere you go - people really ought to stop buying those kinda boots ;)
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Chris Norse
Loud Arrogant Redneck
Join date: 1 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,735
03-25-2008 20:24
From: Gabriele Graves
At the risk of getting this on topic and all. Has this ever been done before? I haven't seen it - anyone need to check their profile(s)?

Date: Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Violation: Indecency:
Global Standards: Profile
Region: —
Description:Nudity photo
Action taken: Warning issued.


I always check profiles hoping to find nudity, but I will be damned, if I AR it.
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Ann Launay
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Join date: 8 Aug 2006
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03-25-2008 20:28
From: Gabriele Graves
I hate cliques - clique, clique, clique everywhere you go - people really ought to stop buying those kinda boots ;)

Gah, some chick was stalking me at this Easter egg hunt...she clacked away behind me practically the whole time. I wanted to whack her with an egg.
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From: someone
I am bumping you to an 8.5 on the Official Trout Measuring Instrument of Sluttiness. You are an enigma - on the one hand a sweet, gentle, intelligent woman who we would like to wrap up in our arms and protect, and on the other, a temptress to whom we would like to do all sorts of unmentionable things.

Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
3Ring Binder
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Join date: 8 Mar 2007
Posts: 15,028
03-25-2008 20:32
LMAO!

egg toss, anyone?


you can't have a nudity photo in your profile? was it a RL photo, or a 2L photo?
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Gabriele Graves
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Join date: 23 Apr 2007
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03-25-2008 20:33
From: Ann Launay
Gah, some chick was stalking me at this Easter egg hunt...she clacked away behind me practically the whole time. I wanted to whack her with an egg.


ROFL, I spent 4 hours at the Falln easter egg hunt, I must be totally insane and was definitely ready to kill someone afterwards. I haven't even had time to sort through the free items yet.
I just kept saying - one more egg, one more egg - I think that was around egg 23 - was still saying it at egg 59 when I finally gave up.
All kudos to Falln though it was excellently done and the prizes very generous. I never knew elves were so tricksy at hiding eggs though - grrrr :D
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Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Kaimi Kyomoon
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Join date: 30 Nov 2006
Posts: 5,664
03-25-2008 20:43
Did I miss the pie?
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From: 3Ring Binder
i think people are afraid of me or something.
Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
03-25-2008 20:48
I think people have been complaining about these forums for nearly as long as we've had these forums.

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So evidently now someone who felt more at home in the old days crowd of Aimee and Pandastrong, etc; doesn't like the behavior of the modern crowd.

Yeah I use "crowd" rather than "clique". Mostly because people who like to accuse it of being a "clique" do not understand how loose-knit the group really is.

Yeah there are in-jokes and yeah some of the people hang out together, less than you'd think by the banter. Its no different than the old crowd. And the one before that. Just different faces.

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Having said that, Kismet - I think you are wrong about something. I don't think this was an example of a clique (or whatever people want to call it) jumping on Bully.

I really think it was an example of a bunch of people jumping on someone they saw as a griefer.

Now maybe some members of the "clique" chimed in after that - but that sure wasn't most of the first few pages.

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Of course once accusations and counter accusations got thrown it all got rather mean. Looks like on all sides.

I mean your post history isn't all negative.

And forum posters liking each other isn't a bad thing.

And really cases of innocent bystanders getting slapped down by the forums crowd are a lot more rare than characterized here.

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I really think this thread (meaning the original negative slant) happened because people are biased against griefers.

And the original poster named Bully (which didnt help) admitted to already getting in trouble ...

I still think people went way way overboard in their complaints against Bully - who still hasn't admitted to doing anything concrete herself.

But people do have an irrational fear of griefers in SL, so I can see why it happened.
Stephen Wisent
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Join date: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 95
03-25-2008 20:51
Hello you lot.

Don't fret, I'll stick my oar in here very briefly and then leave again.

The "C"lique word is very highly charged, and it's often taken in a pejorative sense.

What I would say is that I do agree there is quite a difficult and intimidating atmosphere on the board these days which wasn't here when I first started posting(which wasn't that long ago actually).

I don't think it's any individual's fault, and I think each is actually friendly and open when met on a one to one basis.

There is however a wee group on this Forum who overuse the in-joke, support each other very vehemently, escalate things way to fast and often to an inappropriate and personally insulting level - often to the point of insulting someone's perceived RL situation.

There's no point naming names, and I think it's more of a group dynamic that happens. When the individuals are outside of the group, as I say they're lovely.

The "group" isn't actually defined as simply as the "Forum Cartel" crowd, it's actually a subset of that group. It is however quite discrete and readily identified.

The reason I'm posting to this thread is that the symptoms I'm talking about are actually displayed pretty clearly right here.

Forums are great places in my view, I like an argument/discussion, I like the exchange of ideas and it would be really boring if everyone held the same view.

I do think that a rule of thumb should always be to attack the proposition rather than the individual, and certainly it's often a bad idea to call into question a person's RL situation as a way to score points.

I know that everything is a two way street, but there is a tendency in human nature to over-react and become defensive when intimidated or attacked. My view is that as seasoned posters and members of a strong group.. it's probably a good idea that you take the high ground.

Just food for thought, and you can take the following in whatever way you choose.

After one of my somewhat "heated" discussions on this board, I received two IMs in world from people who had posted a single reply in support of my position (Which may or may not have been wrong). They were both expressions of sympathy and concern.. and both warned me about certain members of a group and what to expect.

Also, I did visit the Forum location inworld recently, and spent a very enjoyable hour speaking with people there.

A very nice woman invited me to the group and I accepted. As she invited me however, she was at great pains to tell me how nice you all were.. she also stressed that you are much less agressive and much nicer in-world than on the Forums.

Just something to think about.
Greedy Fullstop
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Join date: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 4
03-25-2008 20:59
These Lindens they have destroy my land/ad business. I was buying and selling the lands and generating the ads revenues and also to be reselling the lands. This was legal method for generating wealths until now it is made a CRIME and I am made CRIMINAL and have my business destroyed.
3Ring Binder
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03-25-2008 21:22
ah, that's too bad former ad farmer. what a shame.
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Colette Meiji
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03-25-2008 21:23
From: Greedy Fullstop
These Lindens they have destroy my land/ad business. I was buying and selling the lands and generating the ads revenues and also to be reselling the lands. This was legal method for generating wealths until now it is made a CRIME and I am made CRIMINAL and have my business destroyed.


I think one thing many people hate more than griefers is adfarmers.

I'm not sure how much sympathy for losing your adfarm business you are going to get here.

I have to admit though--- unlike gambling and banking there wasn't much writing on the wall that the end of adfarming was near.
Kismet Karuna
Tosser
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 195
03-25-2008 21:27
From: Colette Meiji
I think people have been complaining about these forums for nearly as long as we've had these forums.

------------

So evidently now someone who felt more at home in the old days crowd of Aimee and Pandastrong, etc; doesn't like the behavior of the modern crowd.

Yeah I use "crowd" rather than "clique". Mostly because people who like to accuse it of being a "clique" do not understand how loose-knit the group really is.

Yeah there are in-jokes and yeah some of the people hang out together, less than you'd think by the banter. Its no different than the old crowd. And the one before that. Just different faces.

---------------

Having said that, Kismet - I think you are wrong about something. I don't think this was an example of a clique (or whatever people want to call it) jumping on Bully.

I really think it was an example of a bunch of people jumping on someone they saw as a griefer.

Now maybe some members of the "clique" chimed in after that - but that sure wasn't most of the first few pages.

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Of course once accusations and counter accusations got thrown it all got rather mean. Looks like on all sides.

I mean your post history isn't all negative.

And forum posters liking each other isn't a bad thing.

And really cases of innocent bystanders getting slapped down by the forums crowd are a lot more rare than characterized here.

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I really think this thread (meaning the original negative slant) happened because people are biased against griefers.

And the original poster named Bully (which didnt help) admitted to already getting in trouble ...

I still think people went way way overboard in their complaints against Bully - who still hasn't admitted to doing anything concrete herself.

But people do have an irrational fear of griefers in SL, so I can see why it happened.
This is pretty much spot on. Except, I don't feel any less or more comfy personally, than I ever have here. I am fairly "bullet proof", as Chris put it, myself.

I went through a time where one individual was causing a lot of havoc and I let them know it throughout a series of threads (as I am sure you saw when you looked at my post history), but that was a whole different situation there, that person wasn't just complaining, they were approaching libel and trying really hard to damage other people's businesses and reputations.

I just don't like seeing others raked over the coals for no good reason, and yes, this thread was not the best example, for reasons you've given.

Furthermore, I wasn't pointing my finger at everyone who had a comment for the OP, and I agree that the first couple pages were pretty tame. I got a bit irritated AFTER that.

What's done is done, and I am sorry if I was a bit harsh, but when you have several people trying to insinuate that you're an ass or paranoid for just speaking your mind, it's not exactly easy to not hit back.


And with that, I really do need to focus on some other things.

Take care.
Kismet Karuna
Tosser
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 195
03-25-2008 21:29
From: Stephen Wisent
Hello you lot.

Don't fret, I'll stick my oar in here very briefly and then leave again.

The "C"lique word is very highly charged, and it's often taken in a pejorative sense.

What I would say is that I do agree there is quite a difficult and intimidating atmosphere on the board these days which wasn't here when I first started posting(which wasn't that long ago actually).

I don't think it's any individual's fault, and I think each is actually friendly and open when met on a one to one basis.

There is however a wee group on this Forum who overuse the in-joke, support each other very vehemently, escalate things way to fast and often to an inappropriate and personally insulting level - often to the point of insulting someone's perceived RL situation.

There's no point naming names, and I think it's more of a group dynamic that happens. When the individuals are outside of the group, as I say they're lovely.

The "group" isn't actually defined as simply as the "Forum Cartel" crowd, it's actually a subset of that group. It is however quite discrete and readily identified.

The reason I'm posting to this thread is that the symptoms I'm talking about are actually displayed pretty clearly right here.

Forums are great places in my view, I like an argument/discussion, I like the exchange of ideas and it would be really boring if everyone held the same view.

I do think that a rule of thumb should always be to attack the proposition rather than the individual, and certainly it's often a bad idea to call into question a person's RL situation as a way to score points.

I know that everything is a two way street, but there is a tendency in human nature to over-react and become defensive when intimidated or attacked. My view is that as seasoned posters and members of a strong group.. it's probably a good idea that you take the high ground.

Just food for thought, and you can take the following in whatever way you choose.

After one of my somewhat "heated" discussions on this board, I received two IMs in world from people who had posted a single reply in support of my position (Which may or may not have been wrong). They were both expressions of sympathy and concern.. and both warned me about certain members of a group and what to expect.

Also, I did visit the Forum location inworld recently, and spent a very enjoyable hour speaking with people there.

A very nice woman invited me to the group and I accepted. As she invited me however, she was at great pains to tell me how nice you all were.. she also stressed that you are much less agressive and much nicer in-world than on the Forums.

Just something to think about.

Thanks for saying what I was trying to say, in a more civil manner.

*Hat tip*
Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
03-25-2008 22:33
From: Greedy Fullstop
These Lindens they have destroy my land/ad business. I was buying and selling the lands and generating the ads revenues and also to be reselling the lands. This was legal method for generating wealths until now it is made a CRIME and I am made CRIMINAL and have my business destroyed.


OH, I remember you. Bummer about your ad farm business. An ya, dat's the way laws work. When stuff gets banned, it make for new types of 'criminals,' I imagine. I gotta say, though -- yer not likely to get a lotta sympathy with a name like "Greedy" any more than the OP did with the name "Bully." Sorry.

Mari
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Damien1 Thorne
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Join date: 26 Aug 2007
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03-25-2008 22:44
From: Marianne McCann
OH, I remember you. Bummer about your ad farm business. An ya, dat's the way laws work. When stuff gets banned, it make for new types of 'criminals,' I imagine. I gotta say, though -- yer not likely to get a lotta sympathy with a name like "Greedy" any more than the OP did with the name "Bully." Sorry.

Mari

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Ricardo Harris
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Join date: 1 Apr 2006
Posts: 1,944
03-25-2008 22:53
From: Kismet Karuna
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Furthermore, I wasn't pointing my finger at everyone QUOTE]




Don't worry. Just point, they'll know if it's them or not.
Kismet Karuna
Tosser
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 195
03-25-2008 23:44
From: Ricardo Harris
From: Kismet Karuna
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Furthermore, I wasn't pointing my finger at everyone QUOTE]




Don't worry. Just point, they'll know if it's them or not.
That's the thing. It's really only those who seem to self-identify who get all wound up, circle the wagons, and start calling names and so on, who I am pointing at. Which is so very counter productive when trying to combat allegations of group think.

A couple of posters completely missed that the OP was injecting some humor into her posts, and took it deadly seriously, and then proceeded to bang on her and judge her predicated on the idea that she was being 100% serious.

One of them said "YOU WERE BANNED!" Are they actually reading what is written? Do people even get the difference between "warned", "suspended", and "banned"? These words are not interchangeable. She said she had 2 strikes, and indicated that they were some time ago, and that she had been behaving since. Her worry now seems to be that since her friend got suspended, she may be the recipient of guilt by association discipline, and is worried that this may be her third strike because of that.

It's a valid concern, especially given how bass-ackwards LL can be with respect to these issues. I've seen people warned and suspended for ridiculous things, and seen people who did terrible things get off with a slap on the wrist. I won't just automatically assume that Bully is a true griefer, without hearing more info first. And if she was once, great! The fear factor of further disciplinary action is WORKING! She said she hadn't done anything in a long time, and that she was afraid to for fear of future repercussions. The system worked, in this case, as far as we know. And yes, she was a bit elusive,but with people already taking every little thing she said and running a mile with it, I probably would be too.

Also, I reread the thread, paying special attention to the first couple of pages, and Colette, I'm am going to have to withdraw my statement where I said that the first couple pages were tame. The OP was called several names in the first two pages, and told that she was being mocked intentionally, among other things. You were one of the only ones who acted like an adult and tried to get more info from her before laying into her (not that you probably would have, in any event). I find you to be one of the most fair and logical thinkers on this forum. Yes, I lurk a lot.

Damn you people and your tekki wiki literalism!! Because you are taking people's names so literally now, I have been forced to rethink some things.

Now I am wondering if Trout really is a Trout! I'll bet Ricardo is really the sombrero wearing ghost of Richard Harris too!

;)
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