Compensation for Owners of PG Land

Too many.. I didn't ask for PG-13... That's a different rating. (>_<

Still.. 3 movies on the roster to check out.. Somehow, I get the feeling these are oooooooooold geezer movies... (O.o)

Airplane?

Pep (Depends on what you mean by "oooooooooold geezer movies" )

I'm about the last person to see eye to eye with Luskwood on anything, and I'm inclined to agree. Seriously, I've been there, and Luskwood on a bad day is a great deal tamer than the Ahern Welcome Area, owned by Governor Linden and operated by the Maintenance group, located just half a kilometer west of Luskwood. BOTH are PG areas.

Perhaps a better solution would be a three-way break instead of a two-way break on the mainland: A "Safe for Work" continent with the G-rated content restrictions that LR would like PG to go to under the current proposal, a red-light continent that purely lives up to it's name (moving the sex industry to it's own continent), and consider everything that's left on the mainland as "Not Safe For Work" where the original PG and Mature rules apply.

This would allow the Lab to have a squeeky clean mainland continent to satisfy the need for that kind of requirement, won't affect most mainland residents, and will improve the quality of life for existing mainland residents. You could still go hit a mainland nude beach, museums and galleries could show the full human form, and could buy some space on the mainland knowing that a porno store or gorean slave dungeon won't open next door. Companies and colleges have plenty of connected land to conduct business without foul language or surprise wang. We all finally have an infohub to send newbies who have a one track mind. Everybody wins!

Really? That's only been the case since Queen Elizabeth ran the first official Maple Leaf flag up the pole in '82.

You're getting anti-discrimination law and constitutional law confused. What you're describing is antidescrimination law. Constitutional law provides the legal framework for a nation, defining it's basic principals and basic legal framework, and often establishes a provisional government to rule temporarily until a formal government body can be elected and established.



Yes, though you might want to re-read those documents. Also check out the declaration of independence, but be aware that it only declares the nation's status, it doesn't define any laws. It /does/ provide rationale for what was included in the Bill of Rights and Constitution, however.



That question is unanswerable due to being formed on the wrong basic assumptions, for all the same reasons asking a stranger "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Market forces killed ad farming, else Linden Research, as a business, would still allow ad farms on the mainland.



Businesses can also decide who *isn't* a customer. Mass-scale mainland ad farmers aren't Linden Research's customers.

Suddenly I have to wonder: Did Linden Lab take a bunch of venture capital from the Mormon Church?

I just checked. They are old movies. Filmed around the time of a rated "R" favorite of mine; Pretty Baby. Won't see a film like THAT hitting the screen these days either without some uproar. (=_=)

From what I see... The "PG" examples given so far are grandfathered content from a time long past. Please give me some PG (Not PG-13, that's a different rating) examples from this generation. (=_=)

Although the bill of rights (or charter here in Canada) is a separate document, isn't it considered constitutional law, or at least thought of as such? My understanding of the concept of constitutions is that they embody the 'deeper principles' of a nation that are considered sufficiently strong, they are protected and much harder to modify.



Based on that, though, market forces are driving the restrictions being placed on adult content and on PG content. If you believe in a free market, then presumably you should not object to these changes, since they are the result of an unrestricted market, even though they are regulating a subset of that market, i.e. the SL economy. My point to the poster I was responding to was that if she is against regulation generally, then why is regulation of ad farms ok, but not regulation of other forms of content?



They are not because LL has decide they are not. LL is deciding that customers who object to PG land having G standards or Adult land requiring account verification and relocation of adult content are not their customers too. You cannot object to one set of regulation on the grounds regulation generally is bad while claiming that other regulation is ok.

If you are arguing against a particular regulation on the grounds that 'government meddling' generally is bad, don't you have to be consistant and apply the same attitude to all regulation?

They have as much time as they need to figure out the situation.

Even still, there as no excuse to waive the warning step and go right for the suspension.

That is, unless, you've been bad elsewhere and haven't been telling us about it.

No, generally, a constitution is to provide a framework of loftier and more abstract ideals ("all men are created equal", fwiw) within which the specifics can be hammered out later via statutory law and amendments.



Ohhhh, there was PLENTY of squabbling over slavery. It almost became the issue preventing ratification and leading to civil war in the 1700s. The southern states would not budge from their slave-owning ways, and were willing to walk out of the convention altogether. The rest relented, and wisely so, banking on addressing the point some time later, and getting on with what had to be done.



If you take a purely Libertarian stance, Government's role is to provide the framework for the country's laws, mediate disputes, and make the use of force or fraud by Citizens (or the Government) against other Citizens (or the Government) illegal and police it accordingly. Outside of those things, the Government should be sharply limited in its scope and effects. Even in that case, adfarming would be regulated by the Government, because it is nothing more than an instance of "force or fraud".

How about Pink Panther 2? Ok so it's artwork of a male but it's a full nude with nothing hidden, they also drink champagne

DisneyWorld is an extremely popular location for weddings. And you will see wedding parties assembled for photo-shoots in front of the castle. But many of the park attractions simply aren't suitable for that sort of clothing.

It does seem rather unwise to wear a rented tuxedo or an expensive, memorable gown while wandering through a park full of screaming five year olds armed with hot dogs dripping mustard and ketchup in one hand and chocolate ice cream cones in the other.

I had some basketball game on the other day.

They sell beer.

The San Antonio Spurs' mascot is a furry with no pants.

Must be Mature ... Sure seemed to be lots of kids at that game.

I'll be reclining on this bean bag over here.... (=_=)

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Thanks. I'm not exactly willing to swim through that thread anymore. (^_^)y

The Libertarian party isn't very libertarian any more. The nomination of Bob Barr led to quite an outcry of selling out. And ads are neither force nor fraud unless they make false claims about a product.

Well, I am REALLY glad they cleaned THAT one up!

Wow, that would have been another can of worms, and they've got enough on their hands already!

Before I get too excited ... as a PG landholder it has crossed my mind that they did spend enough time on it to actually put something in writing, and fielded several questions on the topic, including telling us there would be no land swap.

Perhaps the paranoids are out to get me.

This gives me some insight as to why Linden Lab has trouble getting investment capital.

If they think that social drinking must be separated from legitimate business, then obviously it hasn't occured to them that sometimes discussing business over a few beers helps get deals done.

Blondin Linden came back to say that there would now be no change to the old definition of PG. He said that there was a huge reaction to the proposed change.
Apparently, this makes everything OK again.

Does it f***??

We're still dealing with the mindset that formulated and published the change.
It's the mindsets that are the real problem, not the few words in a definition.

When people file their Ticket to move they have been asked to give their reasons in it. And when there are significant and compelling reasons then the move will be authorised. Accurately describing a product that would place the advertisement in violation of the new rules on advertising I would think is a significant and compelling reason and as such warrants the move requested.

It seems to me that two different standards are developing here by LL as their thinking and the discussions have evolved. A fairly broad one for content on land, and a more restrictive one for advertising. This is not a good sign. If we can sell a product in a designated area then we must also be able to advertise that product accurately.

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When LL first announced Ursula it was stated quite simply that it would be for X-rated content and activities. LL also defined X-rated in that announcement to be extreme sex and violence. They didnt call it X they called it A, but X it is. And as originally stated it was simple and unequivocal.

Along the way though, the LL working group and the consultants advising them, have widen the scope of what they were charged with in drafting the rules for X. And as is sometimes the case, working groups get taken over by policy wonks who simply cant help themselves and start drafting up all kinds of papers and stuff, well beyond the bounds of their original brief. (In this case to draft rules to implement X). And being true to themselves wonkies release for public consumption (as has happened) stuff they had no brief to draft in the first place. Stuff on the definition of PG and M.

I dont mean to beat up on people who draft policy. Its the wonky ones I do. And I not be at all surprised to find that the wonkiest ones in this group arent LL employees, they in the ranks of the consultants advising on this.

What I have noticed is that Blondin who has been given the unenviable task of official forum duck =) started out quite simply explaining X. And as the wonkies began asserting themselves into the process, his answers through the middle of the huge thread on this began to reflect the wonky influence on the Working Group. And now, toward the end of this thread his comments are more consistent with the originally stated announcement on Ursula and X. This is a good sign. Someone in LL has asserted their authority over the working group and are bringing it back ontrack.

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I just make the following point again because I think is really really important.

If we can sell a product in a designated area then we must also be able to advertise that product accurately.

Like Couldbe says, it would simply be unworkable to permit the sale of X-rated content on M-rated land and forbid the advertising of it. And then to compound this by denying a move to X-rated land because this is judged to be insignificant and non-compelling, doesnt even bear thinking about. That would be really and truly wonky.

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And ya I address the OPs point and just say that OP has been thumped by a wonk. So best to just thump it back and keep thumping the wonk until its lights go out.

I agree to a degree, but this is also where LL are missing a trick. Ursula is the place where you can sell and advertise explicit content, if you're selling the same content in mature land you have to be more careful with your wording, maybe using less explicit words. If that means your sales are down, you might want to move to Ursula, that should be the draw.

Every body part can be described in PG terms, indeed it is as we grow up.

So to summarise Jack Linden style:

Urusla, you can advertise adult content in explicit ways.

Mature mainland, you can advertise adult content in less explicit ways.

Like in "Fcuk yourself and your sub silly with our hawt new BDSM HUD" ??? Is an accurate, descriptive and to the point advertisement.

Fcuk is permitted speech (content) on M-rated land. So is BDSM. I dont think Fcuk is going to be permitted in M-rated advertising in any context. If it isnt then two different standards are being applied here, one for land and one for advertising. And if so then Mr Jack Linden as Mainland Estate Manager should recognise this when people apply to move. Hope so anyways.

Cock = wee-wee man
Vagina/Cunt = down there
Fuck = Mummies and Daddies
Rape = asking for it
Bondage = knotwork
Cum = ickies
Dolcette = Dining
Abduction = unplanned holiday
Slavery = Unpaid employment
etc.