Compensation for Owners of PG Land

Yes... That is a generally accepted social norm of SL, but, not the documented regulation.
Yes... Drug use is missing from older documents... To quote more outdated documents...
We're getting close. I guess only an Anime fan will remember all the "Sake" comments that got translated to "Tea" during early for-TV dubs of certain shows.... (T_T)


You lost me... PG content on an (Adult) island... Isn't that the typical filler that comes with being normal? I mean... A sim/club/dungeon can't be wall-to-wall sex. (O.o)

If PG stuff is on a (PG) sim, okay.

If PG stuff is on a (Mature) sim, nothing is lost.

If PG stuff is on an (Adult) sim, still, nothing is lost. It just gets a bit more odd to search for.

Am I getting it yet? (o.o)

This comment: "When PG content on an island is being flagged as adult then it's not just about public, advertised, open and basically commercialised sex, it's deeper than that." was probably in reference to incidents such as what happened to Carl recently. He was the third poster in the thread and he mentioned that his museum was now in his inventory but neglected to mention why. A rogue Linden spotted a nipple in a picture there and promptly banned him from SL for one hour. This was PG content that was flagged as adult. Apologies were subsequently issued by LL but I fear we will be seeing much more of this.

FYI you can buy beer/wine/sake/etc in many of the disney parks' Restauraunts

Ah.. Castle Kuula's nipplegate. I'm well aware of it along with various other events over the past year and a half involving nipples, PG parcels, and open displays. I agree, that's silly. But, I also think PG needs to be thrown out the door completely. From a purely to-the-letter standpoint, the pictures were in violation of PG guidelines, though, the way they were handled by LL was epic extreme. (T_T)

Mind you... Castle Kuula was available in search as an art collection at the time... (._.)

PG is now G, Mature now has the definition of the old PG, and now Adult is what mature was originally to us sold as. But rather than change the PGs to Mature, the Matures to Adult, and add new land for the new G-rated PG, they'd rather everyone pack up and move down one seat. Clean cup, clean cup!

So you can have adult content, unadvertised, where people will come upon it unaware, and that is the way to give people a more predictable experience. That seems a bit odd.

what everyone is going to do is move to mature land ,and the pg land will have nothing but teens on it,pg land will be new teen grid

Not everyone. Im quite happy with my PG land as my Home. I will wait until everyone who has to move settles in at Ursula and then I buy a parcel there as well.

People keep on making references to Disney - here is their actual dress code for the theme parks, more restrictive than SL's PG in some ways (no costumes, for example, and shoes at all times), less so in others. For example, you can wear a bikini top so long as it isn't a string bikini at Disney World, and it doesn't sound like you can wear a non-string bikini top in a PG area in SL.

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Disney World Theme Park Dress Code
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Disney World Guest Appearance Guidelines

Disney World reserves the right to exclude visitors to their gated attractions who wear clothing that could create a distraction. This policy is in effect at the Magic Kingdom, Epcot, Disney MGM Studios, Disney's Animal Kingdom Theme Park, Blizzard Beach, Typhoon Lagoon, Pleasure Island and Disney Quest.

Examples of unacceptable attire includes:

~Clothing displaying offensive messages/language

~Adult costumes or clothing that can be viewed as a costume (children under age 10 are excluded)

~Clothing made with offensive material, (ie transparent)

~Clothing that is excessively torn

~Clothing which exposes inappropriate portions of the body such as string bikini tops, G-strings, bikini bottoms, etc.

~Guests wearing wedding attire are discouraged from entering the Theme Parks

All Disney Theme Park guests are required to wear shirts and shoes at all times. Swimsuit tops are allowed when worn with other appropriate clothing.
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How often and how hard do those restrictions get tested?

Really? I realize that we re-wrote ours not that long ago, but never thought of us having stronger constitutional rights here in Canada than US citizens have....

I stand corrected though...

The proposed changes to the Community Standards are complete and utter foolishness. There are a number of user-created communities that would be completely gutted if these changes are approved as written. I understand that there are users who really want the sort of experience described as the 'new PG' in that knowledge base article, but the way to give them that is not to uproot and destroy existing communities that are perfectly happy with the rules as they are. Instead, why not create a 'G' classification that gives those users exactly what they want and doesn't take communities away from existing users?

No woman would ever dare take her top off around a pool in the U.S. in fear of being removed or having the police called and getting a fine for "indecent exposure". On the other hand, a man swimming with a top ON is stigmatized and usually socially outcast unless he's really fat and has moobs. (=_=)

It seems that what LL is calling "PG" is a LOT more restrictive than the FCC's "G" rating:
http://www.fcc.gov/parents/parent_guide.html

I'm a community manager for Luskwood, we've been here in SL, in the same spot for about five and a half years now. When Luskwood came to be in Second Life, PG land was "mainstream" and Mature land was a 'racy exception.'

The change in PG will virtually neuter our community. We'll have to remove several of our builds (most notably, we have a "pub" and strictly police conversation in our social area, which will eliminate a good many of our conversation topics. Like any group of adults, we have conversations that cover everything from politics, to craft brewing, to wine tasting, and pretty much everything in between. We've always stayed within the PG guidelines (as outlined by the FCC above,) but with the new guidelines, it seems, by the letter of what's written down, someone informing the platform that they're "going for a beer" or even so much as mentioning using vodka in cooking red sauce could be possibly abuse reported.

This will pretty much eliminate any and all normal conversation, with people having to screen everything that they say in order to not garner an abuse report.

You may think I'm overreacting, but as an area where a lot of furries hang out, we're a constant target for griefing. I see something like a "stealth" griefer coming in, looking normal, but filing abuse reports on anyone every time they slip up.

It looks like we're not going to be given the option to convert our land to "mature" either, meaning that either we'll have to toe the line, and let our community suffer, or we'll be, to all intents and purposes, uprooted from our home of five and a half years, without so much as a "sorry guys"

IMHO, LL should use the FCC classifications as "guidelines" for sim ratings.

Now, it could be that the PG guidelines in the kbase were just badly written, and they didn't mean to throw a blanket "NO" over everything. If this is the case, they need to quickly rewrite them, because as everyone knows, it doesn't matter what's said verbally, it's what's on paper that counts.

What does that matter? You asked for one instance, I gave you one. Has it just become an argument for arguments sake now. How does this even remotely apply to your second life avatar? Let me answer this one for you, it doesn't.

I have no reason to think that any Lindens were involved other than in the processing of the reported ARs. Keep in mind that a Linden dealing with ARs probably has less than a minute to handle each one. Someone probably sent in an AR on me with a single picture taken out of context, and the Linden had to decide based only on that.

I was running off of the original definition of PG that LL used to use "content similar to that one could see in a PG movie". The new changes to PG are not the first.

To me, one who wasn't involved in any way whatsoever, this really doesn't excuse that it happened, Carl - it says that the system is quite broken.

Depends on how you look at it. What you might see as a stronger government protection I might see as needles government meddling in private business. Where you may prefer the government dictate how a business will operate, I may orefer the market dictate how a business will run. Personally, I'll take freedom to assocoiate and spend or not spend my money where I please, over any government making those choices for me.

Isn't the whole point of a constitution, though, to provide rights such that the majority cannot treat a minority unreasonably? In the case of the US constitution and bill of rights, didn't it result from rebellion against England's oppression of the colonies?

Come to think of it, that partially explains its limitations, too.. when it was written, slavery was commonplace and not yet really questioned, and likewise women had very limited rights.

Most of the concept of equal rights by race or gender came much later. I agree that too much meddling is a bad thing, but aren't inclusive societies more productive?

And if you are pro market forces, does that mean you are against regulation of ad farming? Or is regulation ok only when it does not aversly affect you personally? (Note, I am using that as an example of how 'meddling' can be useful, not endorsing such behavior). And would you feel the same if places that had products you really liked did not allow 'your kind' in?

Isn't it more the right to dissociate that you are talking about rather than the right to associate? Businesses cannot force you to visit them or purchase their products...

Actually, if you look at the FCC's definitions of PG and G. SL's new "PG" definition is significantly more restrictive than the FCC's "G"

SL's new "PG" is closer to "TV-Y7" than anything else. Please tell me this is a cruel joke or mistake?

It's definitely a mistake, and cruel, but I don't think it's a joke.

Pep (Attempting to apply movie standards to SL is the underlying problem; they should start all over again)

Sadly, it's not a joke. I made a major error over a year ago when I bought my first (PG) land for my horror art gallery. Imagine my surprise last month to find "horror" classified as non-PG in the old definition (which is now even more restrictive): I assumed LL defined PG the way the rest of us, and the MPAA, did. Nope. And now it's even MORE like "G."

Okay, my very expensive mistake. I asked some questions about it (and referred to classic monster movies and "Poltergeist" -- which my stuff was close to -- and which is actually rated PG out there in RL) but never got any answers. Well Blondin did tell me he read every post -- woo! Thanks! That helps.

So I read the writing on the wall and sold most of my PG land off at a massive loss (over $500 in real money). I moved my gallery to Mature land. Imagine how happy I am today to think what a waste that most likely was. Because, even when pretty tame, as my content is, horror usually involves death-stuff. Depictions of skulls, body-parts, etc. Even if my content is the horror-polar-opposite of the Saw movies, I get lumped in with them.

I have still not decided if I will attempt to get my horror gallery "relocated" to the adult continent (doubt they can match the M land I searched for hours to find anyway) or just tier down.

You'd better be prepared to wait a long time before buying in Ursula.
According to LL, speaking through the Brown Bag meeting for Landowners.
1. In the first weeks of the change, they will facilitate a free move to Ursula for those that submit a special support ticket and can satisfy LL that the change would have a *significant* commercial impact on them.
2. Following that, the remaining Ursula parcels will go up for auction.
3. Much of Ursula has been parcelled much like Bay City and Nautilus City - with double-primmed no-terraforming lots separated by Linden land. There will be 'countryside' parcels with the usual terraforming limitations.

The auctions will drive most ordinary people out of buying in Ursula.

When asked about price-gouging, LL say that they will take action if they see that the practice is clearly damaging the area.
However, they've had Bay and Nautilus cities in from of their eyeballs for a lengthy period - and nothing done about the gouging.

What about if you are going to be breaking their mature ratings due to your lifestyle? Surely you would have a right to a land swap then?