Compensation for Owners of PG Land

Non-consentual derogatory language is 'just language' without action, yet can be grounds for a sexual harrassment suit or even a criminal charge of assult (uttering threats).

Dress codes which are not health related and are not gender equal cannot be enforced any more than racial discrimination. Why do you feel that, even though both are constitutionally protected that one is more protected than the other?

In practice, it is a lot less likely that someone would go to court over a dress code, but can you cite any RL examples of companies that allow topless men but not topless women? Most businesses that have dress codes are not discriminatory since they already have dress codes that similarly limit men.

And what about all the plumbers? They will be banned from PG lands also, so no more calling in a plumber to fix the clogged pipes from where everyone is flushing their cigs and joints

In Canada it is legal by law that women can walk in public topless

What are the rules to be on a homestead where there is no public access,not shown in search,but have sex balls in their home,and a topless picture.
Is the new adult designation only for public access land

Pure speculation, and speculation that really makes no sense.

If The Lab was so heavily influenced by PG land owners, why would they now be changing the game on PG landholders and offering no amelioration for the damage it will do?

When has The Lab ever really listened to anyone to any great extent?

Your point is poorly thought out and strictly reactionary, very much like those in several other threads that blame this on some kind of moral or religious majority.

There need be no specualtions about any of these moves. Follow the money. If that doesn't lead anywhere, look for that strongest motivation of all - internal corporate politics.

Yes, but they only have one day out of the year when they won't get frostbite.

/me is still not going to rush out to buy a ticket to Canada . . .

Pep ( . . . if the Canadian women he has encountered in the forums are representative)

The new designation is meant for public access, advertised, promoted land. There are a lot of people jumping off the deep end here by mis-understanding the intent, direction, and definition of the changes. (T_T)

A personal and private dungeon, loaded with every sexual pose ball on the grid and lined with every erotic picture the walls can hold is (Mature). (^_^)

A dance club with a single sex bed in the "VIP room" and events promoting the use of the bed is (Adult). (^_^)

There are similar cases in many US jurisdictions that have reached the same conclusions for the same reasons.

Actually that is my rational for RL prohibitions on both women and men having to keep their tops on...

Any advantages of seeing the occasional physicly attractive woman topless in public are outweighed by having to see the topless men and women who are not quite so photogenic...

In SL, though that concern does not usually come up

I agree. It would be simpler to change Carl's sims to Mature. Less disruption all around.

Immy, I respectfully disagree. LL has been pulling a huge bait and switch on us. First they said, "only the most extreme content" would be labeled "Adult". And only businesses, at that.

That is NOT what the newly published definitions say. Now they've included "drug use". Now they've dropped the "businesses only" wording. Now they've increased the restrictions on the PG rating. Now they've specifically declared that PRIVATE homes on estate land will require the estate be flagged Adult and verification-restricted.

I don't think we can trust what individual Lindens say in forum posts or in meetings. What counts is the official company position, in writing. That's what the G-Team will be enforcing. And it makes Disney look like a sleaze-monger by comparison.

Welcome to TeleTubby Life.

I had a friend booted out of a PG sim because she referred to herself as a female dog. The thing is, she WAS a female dog. Lycaon Pictus, to be exact.

Now I'm totally confused...maybe this question will clear things up for a lot of people. I have 2 owned parcels with skyboxes, they both have clear windows (one can be closed off, the other I'd have to permanently change the tint) and both contain definitely Adult pose balls and toys. Both are on mainland Mature. What happens to them after the changeover? Do I have to move, mark them adult somehow (well, one does have the big red "A" over it ?

I also rent a nice little skybox with swimming pool, that I maintain as clothing optional to all. The rental comes with a couple of clubs with (again) adult private rooms for group member use, toys, ani's etc. The sign on one of the clubs says "please remove your clothing" (not enforced, but you get the picture). This is on a mainland sim. Is she going to have to move, or can she mark the estate as Adult or something under the new rules? One of the things I find attractive about this rental is the adult attitude of the place and it would be a real bummer if it had to go "new Mature".

I imagine that all of this is scattered throughout the many pages of this thread, but my poor little brain is scattered as well on this topic. Jackie

/me thinks it was the gteam that complained too much.

With the new plan, they're getting Ursula, which the gteam is pretty much free to ignore, and the old mainland, where the gteam can her instantly ban anybody on PG land that looks like they might even be thinking about something naughty. People will be so afraid of what they can and can't do on old-mainland mature regions that those regions will just stay empty..

Problem solved. Now LL can keep the gteam with only 5-6 Lindens on it to police the entire grid.

Has anyone ACTUALLY listened to the Brown Bag sessions? (>_<

When I joined SL, I read and agreed to the TOS. I looked into the meanings of (PG) and (Mature). The definition I'm seeing for PG is the same thing I've seen for over a year, simply re-stated to re-enforce the rule probably as they're well forgotten by the mob over time and need to be reiterated at a time of change. What I'm seeing is that things that clearly defined (PG) violations have been accepted under the guise of "as long as it's not ARed". We have seen nipple-art, skin vendors, heck... even my own bloody self get ARed off the grid in PG regions for whatever the ARing person decided to write at the time. I refuse to say I agree with PG regulation, but, to say that PG = Disneyesque themes is new-news of new-ness comes across as very bloody naive. (>_<

Changing rooms, in-home nudity, open chat swearing, and things of the like have NEVER been accepted content in (PG) land for as long as I remember... We just accepted it socially like the 80MPH unspoken speed limit on most freeways. (=_=)

As for the (Mature) to (Adult) shift. It gets re-iterated over and over again that they're talking about public, advertised, promoted, open, and basically commercialized sex. All the documentation and public recordings I'm finding on the subject still completely indicate this fact to me. (>_<

True.

You can never, ever advertise something at your personal place, though. From what Blondin has said, it seems like advertising could include going to a few of your regular hangouts and saying "heyas! party at my personal place this weekend! stop by!"

Once you do that, you're gteam bait.

There are no constitutional statutes regarding race discrimination and Title VII only applies to discrimination in employment practices. Further, the existing Federal and various State anti-discrimination laws are all over the place with respect to what types of venues are covered, and what types of things they can't discriminate against.

In fact, as far as Federal law is concerned, you CAN run a business which refuses to serve a customer based on skin color, as long as it is not a business which is considered a "public accommodation", like a gas station, food store, etc. However, it would be the kiss of death for any business to operate like that, even if the target audience would never include customers in the discriminated group, since other groups who may be customers would sympathize and protest against said business via boycott.

Even still, most of the other constitutional statutes, like the First Amendment, do not afford any protection in a private or commercial venue. IE, businesses can abridge any speech they want, within their venues.

Maybe for now, but it all just seems to keep changing. I would actually be pro changes that were constructive moves towards coming down hard on child abuse and upping parental responsibility, but god knows how any of the net, not that much of it would be willing anyway, can actually do that.

Maybe it's not all the Lindens fault and won't be as bad as we are worrying it will, but the constant changes to SL make it unstable and un-trustable. Common sense doesn't seem to be in charge here.

I would actually be pro changes that were constructive moves towards coming down hard on child abuse and upping parental responsibility, but god knows how any of the net, not that much of it would be willing anyway, can actually do that.

PG sims can and do adjoin Mature sims on Mainland

If an avatar stands on the edge of a PG sim and looks into the adjoining Mature sim which set of rules shall the Lindens apply?

I tried. They're horrible.

On the last one, half the speakers are too loud, half too quiet. Another has six or seven minutes of dead air at the beginning. Did anyone even think about trying to edit this crap?

The definitions do seem to still indicate that if it's not advertised, it's not considered public. I'd like to see a more explicit statement that "private residences are exempt from the policy" added in.

Yesterday in the main adult changes thread I explained my position as follows:

"I own a single region private estate which is not advertised and which I use only for private purposes in the sense that there is no commercial activity there and I do not rent out any parts of the estate. Upon the estate I have a large building which is deliberately sexually themed in that it contains a significant amount of what might be termed BDSM equipment and other sexually orientated poseballs, sofas, rugs, beds, etc. It is ridiculous that after all all this time it is still unclear to me whether I need to redesignate my estate adult."

Blondin told me that I had to reclassify my estate "adult".

He also responded later indicating that he was mistaken, after I and others challenged him on it.