Compensation for Owners of PG Land
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Tarina Sewell
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04-22-2009 22:02
From: Carl Metropolitan I had a museum of SL resident created art. However, it live in my inventory now, due to the new rules. Out of a 200 paintings and photos, there were three nipples visible. Under the old rules, that would not have been a problem. Under the new rules "any content that is suggestive of any (even mildly) sexual or violent themes" is forbidden.
That definition clearly covers any art that might possibly offend anyone. I dont think nipples suggest sexual content.. Female Breasts are there to produce milk and the nipple and the ducts inside express milk for a child... Now... I wonder if breastfeeding in a PG sim will be allowed.. (I seen pose balls) Its natural and totally NON sexual..... But often no matter how hard we try that lil nipple pops out... I really have not figured out why men have them though... except they would just look weird without.... I was at disney here in orlando when my daughter was a wee thing, breast fed her in a nice little spot under a tree and had no problems, until someone working there came up to me and suggested me to go sit in a bathroom or a private room they had for such purposes... You know what I told them to ... well.. It wasn't G what I said. Disneyfied....... sucks. |
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Tarina Sewell
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04-22-2009 22:04
From: Tex Nasworthy Oh my what a fabulous idea! I think I'll apply for that job. I can just see it now.
"Hello, I'm the SL adult content inspector, I'm here to measure your butt crack." We have a beach here in florida where you thong must be a certian width and your top as well... and they do measure.. |
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Snickers Snook
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04-22-2009 22:18
From: Tarina Sewell We have a beach here in florida where you thong must be a certian width and your top as well... and they do measure.. Dental floss and bandaids as standards?
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04-22-2009 22:22
From: Kenbro Utu she has no rights to enter that business if they don't want bare breasted women inside. Actually, when it comes to legal issues of discrimination, that's increasingly not true. Right now, the example you give is probably true but in a few years, who knows? Only a few years ago, who would have thought public nude bicycle riding would be considered protected speech in Oregon?
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04-22-2009 22:32
From: Tarina Sewell ... Now... I wonder if breastfeeding in a PG sim will be allowed.. (I seen pose balls) Its natural and totally NON sexual..... Yeah... Just imagine what would come of you RPed breast feeding with a child AV present. PG goes WAY out the door then. Terminated accounts all around. (T_T) |
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Alexander Harbrough
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04-22-2009 22:47
From: Kenbro Utu None of this matters. Second Life is a business, not a government entity. Rights as such do not come into play. Just because a woman may have the right to go bare breasted on the public sidewalk outside a business, she has no rights to enter that business if they don't want bare breasted women inside.
Not saying I agree with their changes, but just to keep things into perspective... Pardon, but constitutional rights do not apply only to government entities. Try setting up a business that openly refuses to, say, sell to non-whites and see if the courts let you continue that practice. Of course if LL put in a dress code saying that male avatars cannot go topless either they may be ok, since they would no longer be discriminating on gender. |
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Ian Nider
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04-22-2009 22:51
It's funny they say they are doing this to reflect real life values or what would happen real life with sexual things.
If a group of people were sent off, or banned to their own little island cuz of their sexualitIes in real life, I don't think it'd wash at all...
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04-22-2009 22:52
I'm disappointed Carl, I expected you to have a filthy smut gallery or something more stunning to admit to 
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Daniel Regenbogen
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04-22-2009 23:12
From: Bith Wierwight Yes come on over! We can hide behind the shack and smoke cigarettes and have a beer! Can you imagine getting an AR for that?  YOU won't be able to go on ANY PG land anymore at all, because your first name too much looks like a typo for a word that totally would go against the PG guidelines... |
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Bith Wierwight
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04-22-2009 23:31
From: Daniel Regenbogen YOU won't be able to go on ANY PG land anymore at all, because your first name too much looks like a typo for a word that totally would go against the PG guidelines... But but but! I'm a "peaceful, highly-evolved craniopod species native to the planet Clak'dor VII." All about the Bith. (Actually, although I'm a fan, it's really supposed to be a corruption of "Beth"  . Still...you're probably right. *grumbles* I do find it amazing that I can have a beer or glass of wine in front of the kids in RL, but not on my land in SL. 
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Kenbro Utu
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04-23-2009 01:09
From: Alexander Harbrough Pardon, but constitutional rights do not apply only to government entities. Try setting up a business that openly refuses to, say, sell to non-whites and see if the courts let you continue that practice.
Of course if LL put in a dress code saying that male avatars cannot go topless either they may be ok, since they would no longer be discriminating on gender. None of your examples used race. I was replying to the examples you posted. Dress codes can be enforced and are. In fact we are still talking as if this is occuring in the real world, by your comparisons, and seriously, carrying over these ideals to a virtual medium even further removes them from any real world situations. If your ability to log in was affected by what you are wearing as you sit at your computer, then your analogy might begin approach reality. But what your avatar is wearing? I just find it a real stretch to start applying real life situations to events that happen to our pixel versions in a commercial environment, especially when it deals with freedoms or rights. |
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04-23-2009 01:12
From: Ciaran Laval Patience is the key, when the existing mature land that is pretty much being downgraded to PG is vacant after the moves to Ursula, then they can move the PG tenants who are now residing in G rated land. Nope! We might be able to move the square meterage. We will not be able to move the ground and water. It's the same issue as in the mainland M to AO move. It's all very well moving sky builds. It's completely unfair on people who have builds integrated into the terrain, and/or who have Protected boundaries.
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04-23-2009 01:22
I guess my corruption can be traced back to those childhood trips to Busch Stadium. I thought baseball was supposed to be wholesome. There was public drinking, public beer ads, and the name of the stadium even. It's a wonder I'm not in prison considering the horrendous upbringing.
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Ian Nider
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04-23-2009 01:59
From: Sling Trebuchet Nope!
We might be able to move the square meterage.
We will not be able to move the ground and water.
It's the same issue as in the mainland M to AO move.
It's all very well moving sky builds.
It's completely unfair on people who have builds integrated into the terrain, and/or who have Protected boundaries. I agree, it took me ages to find my land and I chose it for it's view and quietness. These are all fairly stable too, due to the neighbors lifestyles. These things are going to be way to hard for LL to replicate unless they just rebuilt the exact mainland and reset us all there. |
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Proxima Saenz
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04-23-2009 02:21
From: Carl Metropolitan LL's draft "Maturity ratings: an overview" rules substantially restrict what uses PG land can be put to and what can be done on such land. The proposed new policies state, "a Region may be designated PG so long as it does not advertise or make available any content that is suggestive of any (even mildly) sexual or violent themes, or references to social drug or alcohol usage." https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010 In other words, Linden Lab PG mainland is now restricted to content equivalent to that of a G-rated movie. This was not what PG land was sold as. LL's new "PG is G" definitions serve to significantly reduce the value of PG land. LL has decided to offer some sort of arrangement to people who used Mature land for its original purposes--offering a swap for land on the new Adult continent. However, nothing is being done for owners of the soon to be downgraded PG land. Linden Lab needs to step up and do so. Its the complaints of the PG landowners that made LL decide to come with this crazy AO idea. PLease dont complain, you have your nice PG sim now to do thing you like to do in SL. |
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Tegg Bode
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04-23-2009 02:21
Well apparently Mature land values are going to drop through the floor, so you compensation is the cheap price of land to upgrade to I guess. And I don't know about others but since I first heard about PG rated land I assumed the "Parental" Guidance bit refered to the posibility kids would be found there at least sometime in SL's future, otherwise they wouldn't have bothererd rating land at all. It's not hard to consider the possibility that PG land may not be the best location for a skin shop or other displays of nudity naked art. Yeah a guy posing with a hard on may be art to many, but to me you don't need to display genitals to have an art gallery. They are setting new definitions we just have to move with the times or move to Active Worlds
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Ian Nider
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04-23-2009 02:28
From: Tegg Bode Well apparently Mature land values are going to drop through the floor, so you compensation is the cheap price of land to upgrade to I guess.
It'd be good to see tier rates drop along with it. |
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04-23-2009 02:31
From: Colette Meiji  actual screenshot from Second Life 2.0 It better not be, Pedeobear watches Hanna all the time.
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04-23-2009 02:35
One thing being missed in this thread is that most people are reading the rules to say that not all "adults"  will get to do the free swap. Only those significantly affected. So the FIC will get their free land and every one else will get to fight it out at auction or buy from a land baron.
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04-23-2009 02:42
From: Proxima Saenz Its the complaints of the PG landowners that made LL decide to come with this crazy AO idea. PLease dont complain, you have your nice PG sim now to do thing you like to do in SL. Um no...most of just bought land where it looked nice, PG or no (and probably chose PG because it was less expensive). I don't know of a single actual PG landowner happy about this. Do you really believe LL's hype? Wow. Sad. I guess you didn't even read this thread either now that I think about it. So now we PG landowners get to await more torchbearers like this?
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04-23-2009 03:11
From: Chris Norse One thing being missed in this thread is that most people are reading the rules to say that not all "adults" will get to do the free swap. Only those significantly affected. So the FIC will get their free land and every one else will get to fight it out at auction or buy from a land baron. Yeah butwhat of all those thousands of Mature landowners that don't want a free swap and won't get one. Probably for the best as all the new adult land is apparently going to be cheap pron smuttopia anyway 
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04-23-2009 03:47
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04-23-2009 04:02
For me to say this, you know someone at LL has overreacted:
I agree that they have now defined PG land as G land and most justifiable activity is now not allowed on it.
Honestly, for extremely prudent activity - which means not just what you do but what your neighbor does, and if they want to enact a slapstick pie fight, they have a right to - an ultrapurist group should go the route of ultraexplicit ones and get themselves an island all their own so no one is exposed to what society considers PG behavior.
This does include walking around like Bender. Bender isnt G but PG. We know that. Does LL know that?
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04-23-2009 04:07
From: Tarina Sewell ... no matter how hard we try that lil nipple pops out... I really have not figured out why men have them though... except they would just look weird without... 'Cos the ovum is 100% female and all embryos are therefore inherently female. Although the sex is determined by the sperm cell, the human blueprint remains the same, and male nipples are a vestige of their female origin. Logically, if we're going to cover one kind, we should cover the other also, since the sexualisation of functional mammary glands is a bizarre human deviation. |
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04-23-2009 05:01
From: Proxima Saenz Its the complaints of the PG landowners that made LL decide to come with this crazy AO idea. .... Do you have a list of the 20 PG landowners who complained?
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