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Checho Masukami
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04-23-2009 09:41
I sell avatars of the "Sexual Harassment Panda" and I have a Moe's tavern replica on my PG land.... so Sex (only in a name) and alcohol (in a cartoonish presentation) will be banned under the new definitions?
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
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04-23-2009 09:41
I tried. They're horrible. On the last one, half the speakers are too loud, half too quiet. Another has six or seven minutes of dead air at the beginning. Did anyone even think about trying to edit this crap? The definitions do seem to still indicate that if it's not advertised, it's not considered public. I'd like to see a more explicit statement that "private residences are exempt from the policy" added in. _____________________
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Scott Savira
Not Scott Saliva
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04-23-2009 09:44
What is this (virtual) world coming to? G-rated content enforcement on an 18+ service? I can understand a reasonable adults desire not to have boobies thrown in their face, but G-rating is a bit over the top.
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Ian Nider
Seeds
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04-23-2009 09:51
He also responded later indicating that he was mistaken, after I and others challenged him on it. That's so good. |
Ian Undercroft
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04-23-2009 09:54
He also responded later indicating that he was mistaken, after I and others challenged him on it. The "correction" can be relied on given that the "private residence" exemption in relation to adult content is nowhere to be found in the latest definitions?! |
Argent Stonecutter
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04-23-2009 09:55
The "correction" can be relied on given that the "private residence" exemption in relation to adult content is nowhere to be found in the latest definitions?! _____________________
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Sling Trebuchet
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04-23-2009 10:01
![]() Typical. Standing left to right: Pornographer, BDSM Dungeon Mistress, Paedophile, Brothel Madam, Transgendered axe-murder Kneeling left to right: Congressman, one of his many sex-slaves. However, the updated FAQ is quite specific on who precisely has pressured LL to take this action. Is this something that Second Life users have asked for? Yes. Numerous Residents, ranging from adult-content vendors to educators, have requested that we provide additional tools to enable them to tailor their inworld experiences and make them more predictable. Eh... ok... maybe it could be a bit more specific. Listen to the Brown Bag meeting for Landowners http://clearspace.s3.amazonaws.com/podcasts/Brown_Bag_Meeting_with_Landowners_on_AO.mp3 At 17minutes 20 seconds, there's Marty saying: The move isn't because of outside/political pressures. "A lot" of users have told LL that they want their experience to be "more predictable". This includes people who want to have a "more predictable" Adult experience. Listen up now! It's not the Disney freaks who have been demanding this separation. It seem that perverts and sex-addicts have been demandin a "more predictable" perversion experience. E.g. When they search for ponies, they DO NOT want to see horses! It destroys their experience if they see horses. Hmmmm. "A lot" 19:38 The question is put - What percentage precisely?? THe answer to a direct question? -- "Well I think that Marty kinda hit on that with the previous answer" And that answer was? "a lot" I hope that this is perfectly clear now. "A lot" of people have told LL that they want a more predictable experience. It's not just the puritans that have demanded this. A lot of perverts have demanded this also. LL have been quite specific and open about this in the brown bag meeting. Just to be extra clear - The "a lot" of perverts demanding predictability would be lesser in number than the overall "a lot" of residents demanding predictability. However, it's probably safe to say that their number could be more accurately defined as "quite a few". Generally the numbers of people demanding this have been numerous. _____________________
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Ian Undercroft
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04-23-2009 10:10
It's not a "private residence" exception. It's that "Adult Content" restrictions only apply to public and advertised content and conduct. You have greater faith in LL than me. |
Talarus Luan
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04-23-2009 10:12
Typical. Standing left to right: Pornographer, BDSM Dungeon Mistress, Paedophile, Brothel Madam, Transgendered axe-murder Kneeling left to right: Congressman, one of his many sex-slaves. ... Just to be extra clear - The "a lot" of perverts demanding predictability would be lesser in number than the overall "a lot" of residents demanding predictability. However, it's probably safe to say that their number could be more accurately defined as "quite a few". Generally the numbers of people demanding this have been numerous. /me chuckles. ![]() |
Argent Stonecutter
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04-23-2009 10:14
You have greater faith in LL than me. If they said "there's an exemption for private residences" the G-Team would be just as capable of saying "you advertised this so it's not a private residence", as they are of saying "you advertised this". _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
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04-23-2009 10:24
Has anyone ACTUALLY listened to the Brown Bag sessions? (>_< ![]() Yes. When I joined SL, I read and agreed to the TOS. I looked into the meanings of (PG) and (Mature). The definition I'm seeing for PG is the same thing I've seen for over a year, simply re-stated to re-enforce the rule probably as they're well forgotten by the mob over time and need to be reiterated at a time of change. What I'm seeing is that things that clearly defined (PG) violations have been accepted under the guise of "as long as it's not ARed". We have seen nipple-art, skin vendors, heck... even my own bloody self get ARed off the grid in PG regions for whatever the ARing person decided to write at the time. I refuse to say I agree with PG regulation, but, to say that PG = Disneyesque themes is new-news of new-ness comes across as very bloody naive. (>_< ![]() Changing rooms, in-home nudity, open chat swearing, and things of the like have NEVER been accepted content in (PG) land for as long as I remember... We just accepted it socially like the 80MPH unspoken speed limit on most freeways. (=_=) "A Region may be designated PG so long as it does not advertise or make available any content that is suggestive of any (even mildly) sexual or violent themes, or references to social drug or alcohol usage. " That is a different idea of PG to the one I have, the PG definition I saw was that it was something you wouldn't do in front of your grandmother, plenty of people have a drink with their grandparents. That is a definite change of direction. As for the (Mature) to (Adult) shift. It gets re-iterated over and over again that they're talking about public, advertised, promoted, open, and basically commercialized sex. All the documentation and public recordings I'm finding on the subject still completely indicate this fact to me. (>_< ![]() Ah but it's not is it, the brown bags point out that this is search led, so yes places that appear in search are those currently being deemed adult and in need of flagging. However if you look at the policy a whole island will have to flag as adult if part of that island has adult content, so this prevents people from wandering into the content and that sets a dangerous precedent of where the next step for this policy will be beause by preventing PG business on an island from attracting customers due to a business on the other side of the island being adult Linden Lab are saying that people shouldn't stumble across such content and that will lead to private non advertised places getting into a pickle, long term the distinction between public and private has no legs unless people restrict access to their parcels and we know how popular that is amongst explorers. |
Jackie Silverfall
One Happy Man
Join date: 28 Mar 2009
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04-23-2009 11:17
Since I don't advertise, I'm going to assume that for:
My owned mainland skybox (house) at Z 1024M - as long as we're inside, anything goes, My owned mainland skybox (house) at Z 500M - same as above, My rented skybox at Z 755M - Inside, OK. There is a pool on the roof, and the actual apartment is inside what looks like the bottom half of a watermelon stood on end, so you have to fly above it using assistance and look down. You cannot see in from the outside if you are just a casual passer by. What's the status of adult activities in and around the rooftop pool? Any opinions? Thanks, Jackie _____________________
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Desmond Shang
Guvnah of Caledon
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04-23-2009 11:19
![]() "I had a Greek statue in my home and it was deemed unacceptable, the nipples showed." "Preposterous! Well, at least even us Puritans don't require Adult Verification prior to bondage or discipline." _____________________
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nikita Jefferson
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04-23-2009 11:30
Yes, but they only have one day out of the year when they won't get frostbite. well i know it's a joke but from june to september is a long day,the main months of warm weather in the 80 to 90s is july and aug As for frostbite that would'nt happen from april to november Maybe you should educate yourself a little My point was the law in favor of women going topless in public,which was to add to the other posters comment |
Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
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04-23-2009 11:32
Yes. "A Region may be designated PG so long as it does not advertise or make available any content that is suggestive of any (even mildly) sexual or violent themes, or references to social drug or alcohol usage. " That is a different idea of PG to the one I have, the PG definition I saw was that it was something you wouldn't do in front of your grandmother, plenty of people have a drink with their grandparents. That is a definite change of direction. Ah but it's not is it, the brown bags point out that this is search led, so yes places that appear in search are those currently being deemed adult and in need of flagging. However if you look at the policy a whole island will have to flag as adult if part of that island has adult content, so this prevents people from wandering into the content and that sets a dangerous precedent of where the next step for this policy will be beause by preventing PG business on an island from attracting customers due to a business on the other side of the island being adult Linden Lab are saying that people shouldn't stumble across such content and that will lead to private non advertised places getting into a pickle, long term the distinction between public and private has no legs unless people restrict access to their parcels and we know how popular that is amongst explorers. _____________________
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nikita Jefferson
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04-23-2009 12:55
/me is still not going to rush out to buy a ticket to Canada . . . Pep ( . . . if the Canadian women he has encountered in the forums are representative) What is it with people like you.all i did was add to another posters comments about a law in canada You find it necessary to insult me,my mother ,sister,daughter,niece and every woman in canada. Grow up for petes sake |
Kenbro Utu
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04-23-2009 12:57
can you cite any RL examples of companies that allow topless men but not topless women? Most businesses that have dress codes are not discriminatory since they already have dress codes that similarly limit men. Just about every swimming pool in the entire US? |
Pserendipity Daniels
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04-23-2009 12:59
What is it with people like you.all i did was add to another posters comments about a law in canada You find it necessary to insult my mother ,sister,daughter,niece and every woman in canada. Grow up for petes sake Pep (Just alluding to a couple that I have met already) PS Who over-react emotionally as well. Is there something in the water? _____________________
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nikita Jefferson
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04-23-2009 13:13
Read my post again. I am *not* insulting *all* Canadian women! Pep (Just a couple that I have met already) PS Who over-react emotionally as well. So because of two canadian women you have met,it moved you to take the time to type out a comment in answer to a comment i made about a law in canada Your comment for some reason was to express your dislike of two canadian women you have run across,and was totally uncalled for and by extension insulted all by your comment that your not going to run out and buy a plane ticket any time soon The implication was there Over react emotionally,yes your right,all i did was state a law in canada and you found the need to express your dislike of canadian women,( if they are representative of two you met) |
Argent Stonecutter
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04-23-2009 13:15
Just put Pep in your killfile. It'll make the forums much more pleasant.
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Bith Wierwight
Odd Bird
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04-23-2009 13:20
Immy, I respectfully disagree. LL has been pulling a huge bait and switch on us. First they said, "only the most extreme content" would be labeled "Adult". And only businesses, at that. That is NOT what the newly published definitions say. Now they've included "drug use". Now they've dropped the "businesses only" wording. Now they've increased the restrictions on the PG rating. Now they've specifically declared that PRIVATE homes on estate land will require the estate be flagged Adult and verification-restricted. I don't think we can trust what individual Lindens say in forum posts or in meetings. What counts is the official company position, in writing. That's what the G-Team will be enforcing. And it makes Disney look like a sleaze-monger by comparison. Welcome to TeleTubby Life. This. The only authority is LL, and the only policy is that which is stated (in writing) as such. I would not trust (as authoritative) anything said by an individual Linden in a chat, a brown bag session, or here in the forums. _____________________
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nikita Jefferson
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04-23-2009 13:33
Just put Pep in your killfile. It'll make the forums much more pleasant. I have a right to respond to someone who felt the need to belittle my post to another person. My post was stating a law in canada,pehaps you should direct your comment to those who feel the need to make silly comments It is those who make silly comments that would make the forums more pleasant if they kept their opinions to themselves |
Argent Stonecutter
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04-23-2009 13:56
I have a right to respond to someone who felt the need to belittle my post to another person. _____________________
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nikita Jefferson
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04-23-2009 14:11
Oh, absolutely you do. I was offering what I fondly believed to be useful advice, not making any kind of demand. Apologies for making a comment that you interpreted as being critical of your good self. Yes i agree with you,it was useful advise,i accept your apology and i apologize if i seemed a little abrupt. |
Ciaran Laval
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04-23-2009 14:39
I'm not talking about "MY" idea of what PG is. I'm talking about the documentation I've found since I joined in November 2007. (=_=) Social references to alcohol have always been in the documentation? I've only seen things like: "PG regions have frequently been described as an area where you're free to say and do things that you would feel comfortable doing in front of your grandmother, or a grade school class." I'm not talking about parcel-level/sim-level arrangements. I already know that a whole sim gets affected by a single (Adult) search item. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to argue here. (O.o) This point I was arguing: "As for the (Mature) to (Adult) shift. It gets re-iterated over and over again that they're talking about public, advertised, promoted, open, and basically commercialized sex. All the documentation and public recordings I'm finding on the subject still completely indicate this fact to me. (>_< ![]() When PG content on an island is being flagged as adult then it's not just about public, advertised, open and basically commercialised sex, it's deeper than that. |