Compensation for Owners of PG Land

Point 1) highlights what LL said at the outset. Much of the current activity on M mainland will continue as it is now.

If anyone files a Ticket to move to Ursula based on their existing use and Ursula Linden decides that the content or activities doesnt warrant moving then the content and activites are acceptable in an M region, are not AR-able, and the landowner has a Ticket that says so.

One of the other posters here has mentioned previously that a Linden has already inspected their adult premises and there is no significant content or activity that would warrant them having to be flagged A - extreem sex and violence.

Is starting to look to me like this has all been a big storm in a teacup.

Edit: And it be a good idea if LL called Ursula what it is, X-rated. And not confuse the issue by continually referring it to as A for adult. Its X, so please rate it as such. Thanks.

I would suspect it wouldn't be hard to get a Luskwood sim changed from PG to Mature by getting all the landholders to vote/petition together to SL.
Shouldn't be hard because according to sources here you can't even hug another Avatar on Mature land, so PG land will be worth nothing anyway.

Well more likely it was poked at by a griefer till they found a weak spot, my brother went away for a week and left a friend feeding the dog, and a neighbour had it picked up by the council and an animal cruelty charge levelled the day after he left for leaving it unfed for weeks.

If *Luskwood*, which is about as pure a PG community as exists in SL, is worried about these new guidelines... I think Linden Labs needs to go back to the drawing board.

But Linden Labs has refused to say that this provides you any protection against ARs in the future. And given that people who have been grief-ARed as kids have had to verify their age even after they'd already verified their age... how much protection do YOU think this gives?

As much as any rule,regulation or law does at the time its applied. They change as society changes. They not cast in stone for evermore. Any enforced move to Ursula will be done according to the rules of the day. Any denial of a move will be made according to those same rules. Thats the benchmark of any rules. And until those rules change the benchmark remains unchanged.

I think your point is not just about the rules themselves though. Its about the application of those rules on a case by case basis. And for that we have to rely on human beings to make decisions. Just like police-officers and other real-world enforcement officers, LL enforcers are not infallible and will make mistakes sometimes. All we can ask is that LL train them properly to carry out their duties in a courteous, knowledgeable and professional manner. They not gods, they just ordinary people like the rest of us.

Listen to the first 15 minutes or so in the Landowners brown bag meeting.
It seems that if you want a free move to Ursula, you need to be running an Adult business that would take a significant hit it if it couldn't remain in M.
Your lifestyle only counts if you have it listed in Search and you are inviting all and sundry to come and join you in it.

I'd accept the point if were not tfor the repeated emphasis on the word "significant" in relation to the impact of the change on a landowner.
It implies that there will be some landowners who in LL's view do not have a scale of Adult content that would justify a free move. Those people would have to buy at auction if they wanted to keep their Adult content in a publicly accessible location.
If this is not the case, then I don't see why LL banged on about "significant" and "compelling commercial reasons".

It is in DC as well, Covering the nipples is a social convention, that's all.

We found out that one a few years back in the planning for the dyke march.

Yes. The "significant" and "compelling" is the devil in the application of this new policy. I would expect that whatever rules that come out of this policy are clearly understood by those LL employees charged with enforcing them, and that they are all speaking from the same page when they do so.

In the past is True that LL have been totally inconsistent at times, and often totally contradictory decisions in exact same situations were made by whichever Linden happened along. Was all part of the God Culture that applied at the time. All Lindens were Gods in-world and could pretty much decide matters as they pleased. Or so the anecdotal and empircal even evidence shows.

I cant speak for everyone but I have noticed that over the last months that enforcement has been applied far more consistently than it ever has been before. I can only guess that not all Linden employees are authorised now to decide inworld issues, and that any issues they are empowered to decide are spelled out in their job descriptions. If so then this is a good thing. I have never liked any situation where people presume to be Gods. Police officers yes. Gods no.

"Guests wearing wedding attire are discouraged from entering the Theme Parks."

Disney, the ultimate family company, hates newlyweds?

Joe Namath insisted you should get married very early in the morning . . .

Pep ( . . . so if it doesn't work out you haven't wasted a whole day!)

In Disneyland, when you see newly-weds, you know that they are going to have sex for the very first time that night.
This thought is inappropriate in the Theme Parks.



On the other hand, you get booze in Disneyland Club 33.
http://www.mouseplanet.com/chef/ck010514.htm

Apparently Zyngo isn't "gambling".

Is it PG??

Surely it's so borderline gambling that it has to be M rather than PG??

I need the title of a U.S. PG movie which includes exposed female nipples in one or more scenes. Not just to support some claims made here that I frankly don't believe... It's also Friday. I might wanna have a movie-night. (^_^)y

National Lampoon's European Vacation - PG-13

Pep (Terrible movie though)

Andromeda Strain - G (The woman was dead though)
Sixteen Candles - PG
Doc Hollywood - PG-13 (Full frontal )
Back To School - PG-13
Titanic - PG-13
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen - PG-13
Airplane - PG

Enough?

I would have. Oregon is very, VERY into constitutional law, to the point that it assumes that the 10th Amendment gives over-ruling authority to the states when federal law conflicts and has successfully defended this assumption in cases regarding medical marijuana and assisted suicide.

Specifically regarding the first amendment, Oregon courts have ruled repeatedly in favor of free speech rights (most of the jurisprudence is regarding the zoning of adult establishments, the result of which being Portland now has the most adult-oriented businesses per capita of any city on the continent).

While your comment would apply in Oregon where racial, gender and sexual equality are protected by constitution, the US constitution offers no such protection. Antidescrimination laws would apply instead, and these vary to some degree by state to state (and sometimes county to county or city to city).

Blondin went through my shop and said it was mature. The problem is that my ad is considered adult. Now, my ad is not sensationalist nor does it use inappropriate language, it just describes what I sell. So how can a description be adult when the items themselves aren't?

So, I don't have to go to Ursula, as LL have pointed out I can stay where I am - I just can't advertise.

1. This will pretty well put me out of business.. advertising is the mainstay of business in here

2. Even if I believed him and stopped advertising, you can guarantee that I'll be ARd before the last of the gang have left and we know how consistent the gteam aren't

3. Whatever the lovely Blondin says, ultimately their published policy is their official stand. Until I see that changed I'm not going to rely on anything he says, simply because it doesn't reflect the official position.

so, LL gives me two options - move or close my business down. They do stress though that they're not forcing me to move.


Back on topic though, Carl, I would suggest that you post a request on the LL thread to have ll provide a mechanism for reclassification of land that is currently pg but no longer fits the pg criteria. No one on pg land should be forced to move since pg and mature are interspersed and it's not hard to make the change to the indicator in the database - or shouldn't be.

It's really the only place you've got a chance of getting them to notice it.

All public establishments where swimwear is the expected attire that doesn't serve food or alcohol.

Most private campgrounds (there are exceptions both more and less restrictive, however).

Outdoor concert venues.

Portland's Pioneer Courthouse Square.

Public swimming pools have life guards. It's safe to say the answers are "always" and "strictly."

A question arises..
Would you be eligible for a free land-swap to Ursula?
Blondin says your content is Mature.
That implies that you would not be eligible for a swap.
If you wanted to advertise your content, you'd have to buy land at auction in Ursula after others have had their pick of the best parts for free.

I meant.. how often do women (a) try to go topless in those establishments and (b) try to fight it when they are tossed out by a life guard.

I actually acknowledged that point a few posts later as my understanding of US rights is limited.

not by the time I'm finished. even though it galls me to do this if I do decide to move then I'm going to open a chain of snow bunnies free sex rooms and diner on all my plots - including my home.


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