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The Lord of the Flies - Child AVs and the Nursery Syndrome

Pussycat Catnap
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09-14-2009 15:17
From: Jig Chippewa
I am NOT opposed to child avs "per se"

From: Julianne Kaestner
You should read some of your old threads.


Isn't the key word there OLD

OLD POSTS

OLD

OLD

OLD

As in, not new.

Do you still believe and ascribe to everything you said and did when you were 18? Do you never change your mind about something? Are you that rigid?

Cause most of us aren't.
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09-14-2009 15:20
From: Pussycat Catnap
Isn't the key word there OLD

OLD POSTS

OLD

OLD

OLD

As in, not new.

Do you still believe and ascribe to everything you said and did when you were 18? Do you never change your mind about something? Are you that rigid?

Cause most of us aren't.

I don't see how that's relevant if both the new and old posts reflect the same thinking.
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sable Valentine
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09-14-2009 15:23
From: Ponsonby Low
How does that work?

If I create and use a male avatar, I'm not creating memories of being a man.

I'm creating memories of being a woman sitting at a keyboard moving a male avatar around on a screen.

???


I don't know how that works. All I know that is what was said to me.
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09-14-2009 15:25
From: sable Valentine
I had a friend that called everyone who played a child avie "brainfried". I chastised him for that because the ones I knew at that time had some horrible things happen to them as a child. For them, SL was a way for them to create some positive events/memories as they cannot return in time and undo what was done.


I have that T-shirt too, but I don't feel the need to keep wearing it.
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09-14-2009 15:31
From: Ponsonby Low
How does that work?

If I create and use a male avatar, I'm not creating memories of being a man.

I'm creating memories of being a woman sitting at a keyboard moving a male avatar around on a screen.

???


I'd presume it works, cause you never WERE a man, so you can't have any 'man memories'. However, you WERE once a child, so you do have child memories. As you said, can't tweak what you never had, but perhaps can tweak what you did have, and didn't like the first time around?
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09-14-2009 15:51
From: Ponsonby Low
If I create and use a male avatar, I'm not creating memories of being a man.

I'm creating memories of being a woman sitting at a keyboard moving a male avatar around on a screen.
I guess it's how much you get into your avatar.

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09-14-2009 18:52
From: Argent Stonecutter
I guess it's how much you get into your avatar.



And to Sable, too--sure, these things are bound to be different for different people. I don't question that.

For some of us, though, using a child avatar would NOT create 'memories of being a child', but instead, memories of....sitting in front of a keyboard, etc. I know that this is obvious to those of us who feel this way, but it might not be so obvious to those whose identification with their avatar is more extreme.
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09-14-2009 18:54
From: Treasure Ballinger
I'd presume it works, cause you never WERE a man, so you can't have any 'man memories'. However, you WERE once a child, so you do have child memories. As you said, can't tweak what you never had, but perhaps can tweak what you did have, and didn't like the first time around?



It's an interesting theory, and in general, everything to do with the human mind is pretty darned interesting.

Identity is less cut-and-dried than we prefer to believe, probably.
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09-14-2009 18:55
From: Ponsonby Low
And to Sable, too--sure, these things are bound to be different for different people. I don't question that.

For some of us, though, using a child avatar would NOT create 'memories of being a child', but instead, memories of....sitting in front of a keyboard, etc. I know that this is obvious to those of us who feel this way, but it might not be so obvious to those whose identification with their avatar is more extreme.


To you, I said this is what THEY told me. OK. I did not no way mean to imply it is applicable to everyone else. gessssh....
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09-14-2009 18:57
From: sable Valentine
To you, I said this is what THEY told me. OK. I did not no way mean to imply it is applicable to everyone else. gessssh....


Isn't that what I said, too?

You seem to be objecting to something I wrote, but I'm puzzled as to what it is.
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09-14-2009 19:12
From: Pussycat Catnap
I have that T-shirt too, but I don't feel the need to keep wearing it.




I am totally stealing that :)
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09-14-2009 19:21
From: Milla Janick
I don't see how that's relevant if both the new and old posts reflect the same thinking.


I said some very stupid things in the internetz back in 1988, and again a few years later... and had somebody chase after me with it through the last half of the 90s...

So I'm very sensitive to people getting hounded over things they said in the past - regardless of whether I agree or disagree with what those people are presently saying. I try really hard (but sometimes fail) to hold people to what they're saying now, and not keep a grudge over what they might have said before.
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09-14-2009 19:36
From: Pussycat Catnap
I try really hard (but sometimes fail) to hold people to what they're saying now, and not keep a grudge over what they might have said before.

This is a good attitude. Instead of becoming an internet bounty hunter.

I must say Gavin Hird proved this by not taking the opportunity to attack the messenger, stay on topic and respond to the message instead of rehashing old disagreements. Some people get it.

From: Gavin Hird
You failed to mention child avatars are the only avatars with special provisions in the TOS and therefore those wearing such avatars much exercise additional caution.
https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/11/14/clarification-of-policy-disallowing-ageplay

Also, if the grid should ever come to the point where children were allowed on the grid (heaven forbid), then adults wearing child avatars would be totally inappropriate.

Lias' point on forbidding such avatars is not unethical; it might actually be the right thing to do according to legislation in countries other than the US. It would most likely decrease the risk of regulatory intervention or litigation substantially in doing so.
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09-14-2009 19:39
From: Lias Leandros
This is a good attitude. Instead of becoming an internet bounty hunter.

I must say Gavin Hird proved this by not taking the opportunity to attack the messenger, stay on topic and respond to the message instead of rehashing old disagreements. Some people get it.



that is not what this thread is about. please try to stay on topic.


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09-14-2009 19:49
From: Lindal Kidd
Yikes! You know, it's actually not easy to find good kitty tails. When I went looking recently, almost everything I saw was those big bushy things.


FWIW my RL kitty has a big bushy tail. Not all cats have thin tails.
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09-15-2009 03:33
From: Pussycat Catnap
Isn't the key word there OLD

OLD POSTS

OLD

OLD

OLD

As in, not new.

Do you still believe and ascribe to everything you said and did when you were 18? Do you never change your mind about something? Are you that rigid?

Cause most of us aren't.


I'm talking about this thread, for instance:

/327/2d/333149/1.html

which is from August 2 of this year.

Is that so "old old old" as to be irrelevant? Her other threads, including the ones against dancing and marriage, are from about the same time.

Of course I don't ascribe to all the things I believed when I was 18, but I could still sign my name to things I said last month.

And yes, Jig could have changed her mind since then, but if she had, I would expect her to say something different, which she is not. It is the same BS with a different color ribbon. Take a look at the opening post of the thread I've mentioned and tell me she's changed her mind.

She says she has nothing against child avatars "per se" -- meaning, they are fine as long as no one uses them.

Jig's says she wants a dialog, but she wants the dialog to be about how wrong other people are.
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09-15-2009 03:47
From: Julianne Kaestner
Yes, of course Jig could have changed her mind since then, but if she had, I would expect to hear her say something different, which she is not.
Haven't you realised yet that Jig can change her mind between the start of a post and the end of it?

Pep (Assuming she had thought about what she thought in the first place?)
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Julianne Kaestner
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09-15-2009 04:05
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Haven't you realised yet that Jig can change her mind between the start of a post and the end of it?

Pep (Assuming she had thought about what she thought in the first place?)


I suppose. Some of her OPs are a bit confusing.

I should know better than to step into threads like these, and yet I do, so I can't pretend to be any smarter.
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09-15-2009 06:57
Off-topic but on-title, I just wanted to feel smug about:
William Golding was a teacher at my senior school when he wrote 'The Lord Of The Flies' and the 'schoolboys' in the book were based on my predecessors. While I was at school I used to do my research and homework in the library, at the desk, where he used to write. Lol - I have to assume the chair had broken by then or that would be on the list too.
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09-15-2009 07:49
From: Julianne Kaestner
I'm talking about this thread, for instance:

/327/2d/333149/1.html

which is from August 2 of this year.

Is that so "old old old" as to be irrelevant?


Its a different thread, so it belongs to itself, and not here.
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09-15-2009 13:53
From: PeterCanessa Oh
Off-topic but on-title, I just wanted to feel smug about:
William Golding was a teacher at my senior school when he wrote 'The Lord Of The Flies' and the 'schoolboys' in the book were based on my predecessors. While I was at school I used to do my research and homework in the library, at the desk, where he used to write. Lol - I have to assume the chair had broken by then or that would be on the list too.


That's interesting. Did the boys at the school seem to be aware of what Golding was saying about...well, human nature, but the human nature of public-school boys in particular? Was there self-consciousness about behaving in cruel or mob-like ways?

(Not that it's any of my business, but one can't help wondering.)
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09-16-2009 12:21
As one of the school's claims to fame "Lord Of The Flies" was sometimes, but not often, used as an example for whatever point was being made. Yes, generally, we were made 'aware' of what it meant but it was no big thing. I think we were too busy being teenagers to worry about mob rule :-) Please also note that Bishop Wordsworth's school is state-run, not private.

PS: In this picture on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Headmastersoffice.JPG) the Carpenter library, where Fielding wrote the book (and I did my homework), is the ground-floor bay window.
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09-16-2009 13:59
From: Argent Stonecutter
Yeh, it's SO stupid, if they're a guy they're a Warlock, not a Witch. Sheesh.

A common misconception. A male Witch is a Witch, not a warlock.
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09-16-2009 14:01
From: Dick McMinnar
A common misconception. A male Witch is a Witch, not a warlock.


I think you can blame an American sit-com from the 1960s for that one.
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09-16-2009 14:04
From: PeterCanessa Oh
As one of the school's claims to fame "Lord Of The Flies" was sometimes, but not often, used as an example for whatever point was being made. Yes, generally, we were made 'aware' of what it meant but it was no big thing. I think we were too busy being teenagers to worry about mob rule :-) Please also note that Bishop Wordsworth's school is state-run, not private.

PS: In this picture on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Headmastersoffice.JPG) the Carpenter library, where Fielding wrote the book (and I did my homework), is the ground-floor bay window.



Wow...your state-run schools are certainly more atmospheric than our (American) state-run schools!

(I guess I'd made that false assumption, that it was 'a public school', out of a vague and uninformed conviction that Golding would have attended only such a school.)
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