The Lord of the Flies - Child AVs and the Nursery Syndrome

Yes, and if females start more universally preferring our good traits (instead of rejecting the nice guys for the player jerks, for example!) evolution will take care of the rest

*sigh*

Hmmmm.

I certainly wouldn't want to suggest that there aren't women who are attracted to "bad boys," or men whom one KNOWS are going to hurt them, I think that this generalization goes a bit far (even with the qualification "universally".

I think most women ARE looking for "nice guys." It's usually our judgment, rather than our desires, that are to blame when we end up with jerks. It's also important to make distinctions between the reasons we may look for certain kinds of men. What we look for in a male when we want a bit of (*ahem*) "fun" will generally be quite different from what we seek when we are looking for a long term partner.

And by the time you start looking for a long term partner the nice guys have all been snapped up.

Pep (RL, that is; there *is* no long term in SL! )

This makes no sense. "Snapped up" by whom? By other women, of course. So, many women ARE being clever, and not waiting.

Or, when you say "you," do you mean ME in particular???

Exactly... both sexes are equally to blame when you look at the big picture.

Well, maybe . . . certainly, attitudes on both sides of the gender divide need to change.

What I would, however, very tentatively suggest is that, whoever may be at "fault," it is most usually (PLEASE note that qualifier!) the woman who is the victim.

Says who?

Pep (Likes the Status Quo.)

PS Especially "Down, Down, Deeper and Down".

Ask any nice guy and he will probably tell you just the opposite. However, I will grant you that violent acts are more a cause for concern for females (and that is the only case in which I can apply the term "victim" to anyone without attaching a whole rant about "victim thinking" and the law of attraction). In any case, both genders get burned by the opposite (or the same, as the case may be) sometimes but knowledge is power in minimizing the risks and increasing the odds of connecting with enlightened individuals.

Says me.

And not simply because too many women get hurt (and yes, I know that some men get hurt too by predatory women, and that MOST women are strong and self-confident enough in these more liberated times to handle these setbacks well), but because I think everyone, from both genders, would gain if there were a better understanding of the common ground and the basic rules of interpersonal relations.

I should have thought that YOU, of all people, would want to encourage better communication, rather than reveling in the opportunity to exploit instances of poor understanding?

I think I said "properly" which is a whole other kettle of fish. But, I understand what you meant to say, now. We still disagree as pertains to SL I think - to me, proper for SL does not include 14 yr old sexuality. But I see what you meant - you define proper RP as mirroring everything possible in real life, I guess.



You put more faith in journalism than I do.



As you have defined "accurately," yes without doubt.

Did you just answer your own question there?

Pep (Or can you spot the non sequitur?)

at least pep finaly made it clear what his intentions where (accepting that there are thing in being a SL teen that don't mimic RL teens because of rule limits), I'm perfectly willing to accept that limit, there are other limits for sl kids and teens that slowely have wormed thier way in that I'm not so willing to accept but have litle choice in

I generally agree. I don't know how we could possibly quantify the amount of "hurt" caused in human relationships. Certainly (you would agree?) it is women who are more likely to admit to having been hurt: it may be that a sort of residual macho mentality prevents men from expressing the degree to which they feel betrayed or injured in relationships.

As kind of a side note, I dislike the tendency to take shelter in the term "victim" as though it were a badge of honour as much as you do, but I equally dislike the way that that term has been usurped by both purveyors and critics of the so-called "culture of victimization."

Victimization, properly understood, says NOTHING about the person who has been victimized; it reflects merely upon the aggressor. ANYONE can be a victim, even the strongest and most self-sufficient among us. My own self-confidence, intelligence, and strength of will are, I think, reasonably formidable, but they would be of limited use in protecting me against a physical attack by a man. Nor do they inoculate me from emotional harm, although they will, I hope, make it less likely that I should find myself in a position where I am subjected to it, and aid me in dealing with it when it occurs.

The word "victim" denotes neither honour nor shame: it merely signifies that someone has been undeservedly harmed by someone else.

No, unless I misunderstood YOUR understanding of what, precisely, is constituted by the "status quo."

(And if I did so, it is because YOU didn't explain it properly.)

http://www.statusquo.co.uk/

Pep (A cultural gap exists wider than an ocean. )

/me groans

You didn't know what I meant about "Pass the Courvoisier", though, did you? (a song by Busta Rhymes)

So the transpontine smirks go both ways.

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Busta Rhymes?

Pep (I thought we were talking about a *cultural* gap? )

And I bet if I said "Dylan" you'd think I meant Dylan Thomas (whoever he was!).

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But that's the hand you use... Well, never mind....

Oh pleez oh pleez oh pleez oh pleez oh pleez....

WHAT???

I don't know about you, but being around child avatars, or even being a child avatar myself, does NOT make me want to run and get pregnant! The logic in your connection between teen pregnancy rates and kids who "play house", or adults who play kids who "play house", is specious at best!

If one had to isolate just one root cause for high teenage pregnancy rates, it would have to be the complete collapse of personal responsibility in modern society.

I don't feel so old anymore!

Well, I do. But I don't feel so alone about it anymore.

I think youth are as responsible as the "role models" who parented them. We need better sex education and less "mothering" by social workers. We can only be responsible if we ar egiven responsibility when we are young enough to learn what to do with it.

Is that from the Far Side cartoon with the dog and cat?