The planet on the other side of the sun.

Who are the Goreans? Where is Gor?

People who still aren't over the 2000 election.

Tennessee

Heh, when I was new and ran across the expression Gorean the first time, I was so far out of the loop I wondered what the hell Al Gore had to do with SL. : )

To Jamesmicheal: Use the search feature in the forum site and I think you'll get so many hits you'll almost be sorry you asked. There has been a LOT of discussion of that subject.

I enjoyed it... at least you didn't ask if a Panther picking up an earth guy in a club is considered cheating... nor did you ask us for advise on how to get over your seriously earth bf that started chasing nekos with his alt...

Thanks!

.d

.. and the Polish and the Fins, coming to think about it, they are all in the same part of the world.. maybe its a conspiracy?

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Goreans are the people who follow the tenants from the Gor novels.

Gor is a fake planet that lives in the deranged mind of a sexist dirty old man and his legion of followers.

See?

Gor is a planet that was moved ages ago by the Priest Kings into the Solar System and placed in a counter-orbit of Earth. Thus being called the "counter-earth"

The Priest Kings kidnapped the people of Earth to populate their world, like they had done with other creatures in other star systems. After time those peoples forgot their origins and considered themselves natives.

Those people are called Goreans.

Gor is a large group of Sims owned by SL residents, most are almost completely unaffiliated except in name. The builds are loosely related to the descriptions of Gor cities in the novels.

In the Gor sims, Residents role-play out roles that would be typical of characters fromt he Gor novels. Mainly they play Warriors, Panthers, Outlaws and Slave girls, with a smaller number of other types.

Those residents are called Goreans.

Goreans are a quirky subset of BDSM. It is male dominated. They believe in the Master/Sex Slave role without the normal controlled power exchange. In effect all power is in the hands of the Master, the slave isn't even given a safe word.

Gor is the name of the planet in the novels. However the Goreans wish to live as if Earth were Gor.

Given the potential excesses of such a belief, sometimes the most extreme Gorean (and Gorean like) groups run afoul of the authorities. In some cases it has been found the slave girls were not consenting participants, leading to lengthy jail terms for The Masters on rape and kidnapping charges.

The standard reply is, He does not allow it, you do.

Gor is a collection of SL sims where bored housewives half-pretend to be slave girls and half-pretend to be pretty pretty half-naked princesses in exotic silk costumes. They are attended by nerdy guys in leather who claim to be their "Masters"

Generally there is a lot of drama involved since the housewives don't let their Masters play around with the other "Kajirae" Thus the men play pretend war and pretend politics instead.

Whenever one group is having drama issues with abother they call the other group "Disney Gor" while referring to themselves as "lifestylers" or "role players"

All this assorted mess of personalities are called Goreans.

I am new to reading Gor and learning from an online board, so fogive my ignorance But most people who follow Gor, are not role playing. They strive to live by the rules of society set forth by John Norman.

On a side note, when did "Eartheans" stop being Terrans?

Thats not very open minded of ya spamme....sorry....Colette....

I had too laugh, even so it shows a lack of open mind, but its so funny. Where do panther girls fit in your view of Gor? My ex SL girlfriend called them a "bunch of frustated lesbians"..I found that funny too, even so she really meant it.

Seriously, Gor is roleplay no more not less, just like Starwars, Western SIMS, Roman SIMs etc. But then again, isn't ALL SL roleplay to an extend?

Regards

Maggie

If you specifically refer to Gor in SL then you may have more observation than I and it may well be RP. If you are refering to Gor n the whole then my only response is Christianity and Jewdism and Wiccan are nothing more than RP either. Thikn about it, we all behave within confining scriptures that govern our behavior. With out the rules we are truly free to claim that we behave as natural. But we follow government laws whih regulate our behavior. We (in most cases, not all) follow religious teachings of our choice which further limit our behavior. Is that not the same as Role Play? to play out a role based on rules and guidelines?

In a broader sense, as with anything else, people handle things in different ways. I have me some people who live Gor to the very essence. They live their life at home, work and out in public as Gorean reflections. Reflections, becasue in truth we do not live on or een know if there is such a planet Gor. I also kow people who claim to follow Gor and then only follow it when it suites them. But in either case given, for I dont know anyone personally who simply plays being Gor, They all agree with one thing. Gor must be lived as cmpletely as possible to the extent that the law demands.

So even those who keep slaves, keep them as willing submiissive persons. This is in reference to Colette's claim that peopl practicign Gor have been arrested for holding slaves against their will. There ar always going to be outstandign cases. But dont judge a whole by the rotten pieces that fall off. I judge it by the core and how it applies to me personally.

Simply said, if Gor is not for you, dont accept it. It is pointless to keep ranting against it though. Those who follow Gor feel it is a defining social culture that they already knew to be true. It is simply the observance of Nature.

I Wish You Well

Ok, I thought the OP was witty, well written and entertaining.

Before I go on, I'd like to say that specifically I have no issue at all with the Gor "lifestyle", whether it be in SL or RL, as long as it only involves consenting adults.

Where I do have issue with Gor is when it's practitioners start giving it parity with religion.

I'm not going to go into a whole comparative, analytical explanation of why it's not a religion and why it doesn't offer an alternative to a monotheastic religion.. although it might be interesting if anyone wanted to..

These books are pure, commercially published fiction which present a world view and framework of values simply in order to guide the narrative.

Admittedly there are a set of people who indentify with those values and have decided to incorporate these within their own lives. To me that's fine and dandy.

To elevate this lifestyle choice however from subculture to religion is as intellectually accurate as it would be for trekkies who identify with the values expounded by "The Federation" to compare themselves to a religion.

Unfortunately for "Goreans" whether SL or RL, it's difficult for mainstream society to "leave them alone", because for some they are not just making a personal lifestyle choice.

For some (and it may be a minority), they treat John Lange's books (which if you've read them are simply poorly structured, bad prose) as anthropological and philosophic doctrine.

For them Gor reflects how society would be if we could simply cast off the shackles of our modern day weak thinking and realise our true destiny. It's almost a duty to be evangelical and show us the error of our ways.

Obviously the new direction an unfettered society would take is "shown" by a pseudo scientific, and not very rigorously thought through interpretation of the precepts of evolutionary psychology. Nevertheless you can guarantee that according to fundamentalist Goreans the women folk in particular don't know what they've been missing until a "strong" man takes them in hand and in the process allows them the "freedom" to abdicate all responsibility for their lives..

The adoption of evolutionary psychology as a crutch on which to support theories of Controlling behaviour versus controlled is actually slightly ironic given that psychology might also say that a desire for feelings of control and mastery in our fantasy lives is compensation for.... well you get the idea..

Lol.. ok I know I've ended up being less than understanding of the whole Gor thing, but my view is as I originally stated.. be happy and enjoy your fantasist subculture, but please just accept it for what it is and leave the rest of us unconverted and in a living hell of our own making..

Is Gor the new Scientology?

And so you did. I like hearing from other worlds.

Well possibly in as far as Mr Hubbard started his money spinning enterprise all the way back in the early 1950's and Dr Lange only got around to financing his lavish lifestyle in 1966 (ish).. so to that degree.. it is a newer something.

To be honest though, I'm not sure that Gor on the whole claims to be a religous movement. My main quibble is that in defending Gor, certain exponents seemed unable to do so without using certain religious precepts as straw men.

I think Gor takes a more Nietzschean "man as superman" approach to things...Nihilism with an ambivalent attitude to equal rights for women maybe..

Although never to be taken literally he once did say:

"Everything about woman is a riddle and everything about woman has one solution: that is pregnancy"

substitute "submission" for the word "pregnancy" and you almost have a quote from one of Dr Langes torpid tales..

"I'm not going to go into a whole comparative, analytical explanation of why it's not a religion.. although it might be interesting if anyone wanted to.. it's really not however.

These books are pure, commercially published fiction which present a world view and a framework of values which simply help guide the narrative.

For them Gor reflects how society would be if we could simply cast off the shackles of our modern day weak thinking and realise our true destiny, and my goodness they don't mind shoving their world view down your throat at any given opportunity..

My view is as I originally stated.. be happy and enjoy your fantasist subculture, but please just accept it for what it is and leave the rest of us to live out here in the real world."
- Stephen Wisent


I personally agree, Gor is not a religion. It is a social structure one choses to live by or reject. Muc h in same way a vegetarian would chose wether or not to eat meat served at a public function. Vegetarianism is not a religion either. I feel that both sides of the discussion need to understand that. Goreans may chose to believe in Preist Kings or God and I know some that chose to believe in God as well as follow the Gor culture. But it is most definately not a religion.

the books may have beenpublished for reasons of making money, but also the means to spread philosophical doctrine. Much the same way Robert A. Heinlein chose his stories to promote his sense of Utopian society. Of course I am niether writer and new to reading Gor, but I have taken the time to actually research te authors and read soem interviews that are available to base these opinions.

Our modern day thinking is weak.It has developed on the pure prmise that we want to work less and play more. so we have developed technology to do the work for us. Now to say we are weak because our thinking is weak..... that's a stretch. But there used to be days when honest work made an honest dollar, and a man didnt have to be paid to help a neighbor. I dont see that any more. That sense of community. In such that sense of community has lead to a world where I am sitting discussion community with people around the world and I dont know my neighbors name ... I define any thinking which leads to these sad satte of affairs as weak.

Whats funny about your comment on "Goreans" cramming their views down your throat:
I am a member fo a board whose soul purpose is to dicsuss Gor and its relation and integration into our chosen lives. They dont push people who only chose to observe and learn. They only push when you try and present yourself as Gor and then step out of line.
while ther are in your fce "religions" I hear peole complain about Gor more than I hear them complain about bible bangers. For the record, I am studying Gor and have chosen to do so as I wish to live that lifestyle. It has many reflections of things I have always felt true and of value to society that people are stpeeing away from. Like community. I am also a Christian. However while tese are my personal beliefs I don walk to work with a bible in my had telling women they are my slave now. The point here, is that some people give groups bad reputation. Not all those people are practitioners of the said doctrine.

To each his own and leaves others alone

I Wish You Well

Spadesrun

The Force is with us, and George Lucas is its prophet!

; )

In the name of the Lucas, the Yoda and the R2D2 I bless you all

Live Long and Prosper

Come on, Gor as a religion?

This is taking it way to far. For me its entertaining and fascinating roleplay and SL only. By the way I "play" a panther which on Gor is an anti slavery movement of woman hiding in the forests. Outlaws of Gor.

That would be like, another posters suggest become a Jedi priest in RL. How bizarre. Anyone in for founding the house of wizards living after the rules of Hogwards and the holy Potter?

Regards

Maggie

Nice that I reached the objective to entertain some of you