Visual effect of banlines on neighbours - a demonstration you can visit inworld (?)

I like the idea, but I would also like to be able to set the draw distance, or speed range that it would appear. I often hot-air balloon around, and they move somewhat slow and the controls respond slowly (for realism). Hit a banline with it, and the physics stop... and frustration ensues.

Not an argument against, but you do have one obstacle: your avie only has a velocity when it's not part of a linkset. Once you sit down on a prim your velocity is "at rest".

Amen to that, Meade...

but I have to reply.


Actually, I believe it is you that are mistaken. The mainland is NOT public. The banline limit does not define the boundaries of ownership, only the boundaries of using banlines.
A landowner may build all the way up, as high as they can. If a landowner wishes to build a skybox at 500m, they may. It is still their property at that height. If they wish to build a skyscraper reaching to 700m, blocking your way as you fly, they may.



What "advertised feature" do banlines interfere with? Seriously.
What kills me about your argument is that your solution to something that allegedly "interferes" with "advertised features" is to... um... interfere with "advertised features". By punishing (yes, punishing) landowners that use banlines (forcing a negative effect on someone for doing something within the rules) just because you don't like it, you are interfering with pre-existing conditions.
If you are talking about the visual effect of banlines, then fine, throw out some reasonable solutions that are productive, not just "If I gotta see 'em, so do they".
Where are YOUR "productive" suggestions and solutions?
I fully support giving users the ability to control the visibility of banlines.
The problem is, you keep bringing in other arguments.
You say "do what you will on your land, that's fine.", but don't seem to get that what some people want to do on their land is to be left alone. Why? That doesn't matter.
The "advertised features" (I don't recall LL advertising that you could go onto other people's property, but maybe I missed that) that are being interfered with are entwined with "doing what you want on your own property".
Why do banlines cause problems? Because people want to cross them. Yes? No?
Do you agree or disagree with that?
Crossing banlines does what? That's right, puts you on the other person's property.
That's not an advertised feature.

As for the rest of your ad hominem attack, if you don't like the way I post, ignore me.
If you can't ignore? Deal.

What I want to now is why you don't balloon in the many, MANY public places and open spaces that both Linden Labs and other residents provide.
Why this need to go around over places that may be private?

I would much rather discuss points of view than exchange personal attacks and rude remarks. If you want to discuss the issue, than excellent! I have no problem with that. But playing the role of "bully" is really not going to get your point across, or bring any understanding to your point of view.

If you want to discuss the topic, let's discuss it like adults and without insult.

Then address my points! Good lord!

Two lines out of all of that is what you choose to respond to?

Come on...

Let's discuss! I'm ready.

Because the mainland is a collection of sims, spread over a large connected area, which has no rhyme or reason regarding zoning. I respect people's privacy, and do not invade people's homes. I keep more of a distance from parcels which are occupied, as to not disturb anyone, but there are times (more and more frequently these days it seems) that the banlines and "no object entry" parcels make going across a sim very difficult when in the balloon.

Unless you have spectacular vision or you're right on top of the ban lines, for the most part you can't see them. It's not like you can always see them.

Don't take it wrong but this is just another cheap excuse used by the crying bunch in this forums.

Yes, I said many people because many people have no problem with ban lines as you shouldn't. Just the few who feel they're entitled to roam about without restrictions. Those who don't like to be told, NO YOU CAN'T ENTER are mainly the ones with constant complaints and excuses.

For the most part who are the ones who continue to complain about ban lines? Those who day in and day out wander into peoples homes and lands without invitations. Or those who's neighbor has put up ban lines while not issuing access to them as they shouldn't. You're not entitled to have access to someone elses place.

Why don't many people have problems with ban lines? Maybe because we don't go around sticking our noses into other peoples property? Or making excuses as to why ban lines shouldn't exist.

I'm glad they have ban lines as well as ejection devices. Not everyone welcomes unwanted visitors. Not in sl not in rl either. I use both and gladly. I will continue to use them, it's my right as a landowner regardless what anyone counters with.

If you don't mind strangers, intruders and trespassers invading your place whenever it suits them then knock yourselves out it's your prerogative. If you're one of those making dumb cheap excuses for 'exploring' purposes then don't complain when you're thrown out on your ass by ejections or ban lines. Good for you, I'm glad.

Plain and simple: Don't go where you don't belong and you won't have to deal with ban lines. Stop making cheap excuses because no matter what you come up with, ban lines are still here and most likely will always remain. It's very simple, really. NO matter how many say ban lines are no good, many will counter that because of constant intrusions they do belong.

If you can't deal with them then stay away, stop wandering into residential areas. You don't belong there. This thing about residential areas looking like public places don't wash. It's just another lame excuse being used out of desperation by those who continue to go where they shouldn't.

Don't get uptight because you're being told you're not wanted. As adults you should already know when and where you should and shouldn't go as far as private areas. SL mimics RL.

And no I don't need to relax. Some of you need to get over it and accept the fact you can't just get up and go just anywhere because it doesn't work that way.

I wasn't talking directly to you. I'm talking in general.

That doesn't answer the question.
I asked why you don't use the many open sims available to you.
I asked "Why this need to go around over places that may be private?"


I understand that. Just wanted to elucidate on one of your points.

I think you need to read people's posts a bit more carefully before you write a post that long which completely misses the point, and ignores some of what people are saying.

I don't want to go in your house... I couldn't care less about it. As for "residential areas", show me where on the main grid I am not allowed to go.

All I want... is to be able to avoid people's banlines by making them more visible, so I don't have so many issues trying to avoid places I am not wanted... or at the very least, have the banlines bouce a vehicle off of them, rather than stop physics altogether.

I think banlines are overused (to put it lightly), but I never said remove them from SL. I would definitely like to see the banlines on your property. I would love to avoid someone who is so antisocial as you have made yourself out to be.

Um.. burnman? Weren't you the one agreeing that banlines should be visible from the inside? How does that fit with "All I want... is to be able to avoid people's banlines by making them more visible, so I don't have so many issues trying to avoid places I am not wanted... or at the very least, have the banlines bouce a vehicle off of them, rather than stop physics altogether."?

Which one is it? Why are you moving the goalposts and changing your point?

I do use the many sims available to me... it's called "mainland". And with the banlines being so hard to see, it's difficult to see what is private and what is not. I simply want to be able to avoid the banlines, and if I do accidentally hit one, I would love it if my vehicle wouldn't lose physics as a result.

Why do you think they don't allow the banlines (unless it is an individual ban) to go all the way up to the 768 mark? It's to allow people like me access to the rest of the mainland, and prevent people from blocking access to the rest of the mainland.

Another question.

If all you want to do is fly around, why not do it at higher than 50m?

I am not moving goalposts (man, you really love that phrase... lol) or changing my point. I *do* think you should see them from the inside. I'm sorry that I didn't rehash everything I have ever said about banlines in my last reply. (teasing)

That's what I try to do but going too high means you don't get much of a view. SL vehicle control really isn't all that great and it's easy to slip under the limit when you're taking a closer look at something.. Even if the place you're looking at isn't access-only, one of their neighbors might be and it's _always_ too late by the time you see the ban lines..

It depends on where I am. Some sims have some really nice builds in them, and it's nice to float down a bit closer for a better view. Sometimes, I like to stop into a shop to see what they have in there, which means moving much closer to the ground, well below the banline level.

I really see this issue as soon to be moot.

Once IDV enters the picture well have a whole new geography of access.

It will only be moot if the banlines are removed, as I will still plan to fly around.

You're evading the question again!

The mainland is not your playground. Not even remotely. Other than Linden Land, it is all private property. I notice you deigned to refuse to address that point in my other post, too.

Now. For the last time. Why don't you use the areas designated as open space?

Also, you seem to be saying that 50m is the upper limit of land ownership. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
If this is the case, then how are you hitting banlines, if you are flying in what you describe (although I disagree with you on this) public space?
If you agree that 50m above land is the limit to the private space, and you only fly in the public space, how are you hitting them? Surely hitting them would indicate that your trajectory is taking you into private space... which you say you don't fly in...
I'm trying to figure this out...

I don't thinks so, Meade. Looks to me like a choice between automating the draw distance adjustment and doing it manually.

Probably toggle on/off is the more important, since it will be useful to many more people (like neighbors), but changeable draw distance is certainly an important and valuable feature to add in its own right.

Automatic would be a cool feature; I guess it depends on feasibility, which I would have to leave to others to discuss.

So no compromise at all on this issue?

It will be moot for every single person who doesn't register with Integrity.

Since they wont be able to get into any adult flagged parcels.

Which, with the neighborhood watch turning people in cause they can, will end up being a lot of parcels.

You could make them completely invisible but improve the "collision" so that its nice and soft.

So this isn't about free access, it's about being allowed to get close enough to stuff you want to see, right?

I just want to get this straight.

Because these are two different arguments.

One is that you are having trouble flying around, which you shouldn't if you are over 50m.

The other is that you can't get close enough to nice builds and stuff... which would be where the whole private property thing comes it.
I understand your motivation, but, to be honest, you don't have any right to this. NOWHERE does it say that you do.

The Mainland is not available to you unless you pay for the land. Otherwise it is only available to the person who pays the Tier there. You may be able to use it, but only at their descresion. You do not go play football in someone's yard in RL without knowing the person, and if they have a fence up, you do not hop it or complain about it to the world at large.



The vehicles don't lose physics. If yours does, file a Bug Report as that is abnormal behaviour for the system. I have never lost physics in a vehicle when encountering ban lines. I have on sim crossings, but never on ban lines, so I doubt the veracity of that statement.



They do allow ban lines to go all the way up to infinity. At least in reguards to vehicles. It's called "No Object Entry". Why does LL still allow that. Because of all the griefiers tossing about prims and for annoying vehicles crossing over private property.

Removal of ban lines and the 'No Object Entry' option is not a valid option, and those saying such should really take a bit and look at facts instead of their own selfish reasons. I myself enjoy flying, and find it easy enough to avoid the places with ban lines and object entry. Though I admit, an option to turn on highlights for such on the mini-map would be ideal. Making them visible, or invisible, in-world is nice for those walking, but with vehicles, the speed needs a "radar" that "sees" further than most are rendering. ie, This makes the Mini-Map the logical choice. With options to turn on/off a color-coded series of options. Like No Object Entry, and Ban Lines. I personally would also like to be able to turn off that ugly cyan blue for my own objects, and the overly huge yellow dot for my own position.

~Jessy