Visual effect of banlines on neighbours - a demonstration you can visit inworld (?)

I agree that it probably SHOULD be easier, but there IS a solution out there.

As long as we're on the subject of things that SHOULD happen, Goran Visnjic and Sandra Bullock SHOULD be naked in my bed, waiting for me and Gordon Ramsay SHOULD be cooking me dinner.
Ah, the SHOULDs of the world.

The difference is that your original SHOULD has been covered and a solution has been given, you're just not satisfied with it. My SHOULD? not gonna happen.



Unless they, too, turned off visibility.

ABSOLUTELY. This should definitely be part of the deal.

Two textures... outside says "No entry" and the inside says "Your ban lines are showing" lol

No, it's not. There are two completely different topics going on. Sling, the OP, has a problem with the VISUAL effect of banlines and wrote about it. His point is valid.

Your point, that you should be able to travel over other people's property without your vehicle blowing up is NOT valid, as IT'S OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY!

THIS is why it's off-topic. We're not talking about "their unfriendly behaviour towards vehicles" or "asking people to change their texture so they stop whining" (Nice straw man, by the way!), we're talking about the negative effect banlines have because of alpha sorting etc. This is about having to live on your own land and seeing banlines through your walls etc. It's NOT about driving your car onto other people's property.

So basically.. you're saying that people should be punished because they'd rather use built-in security than buy a security system that, at any point, could fail on them because of updats, bad scripts, lag, etc...... I disagree completely.

I suppose it helps that I don't see any reason to explore by flying so low I'd probably run into alot of buildings in alot of sims anyway, and I suppose it also helps that I don't see banlines as ugly at all, and completely logical, visually.

ANd I suppose it also helps that I'm against security orbs in general.

All I think should change for banlines is what has been said, I think you should be able to change how far away you can see them, or it should scale to your speed.

basically, we're saying that if you put up banlines, you gotta look at them too. it's only a punishment if that is your mentality, otherwise, it's just part of the game.

I'm not sure why people should be punished for using banlines on their own land.
There are very valid reasons for their use. They are not against the rules. Why punish people for using them?

Wait. I want to get this straight. You're saying that this is only a punishment if "that is your mentality", which, to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, is saying that it's NOT a punishment.

If it's not a punishment, then why suggest this?

What purpose, other than punishment for the "crime" of using something perfectly legal and within the rules, would this serve?

^^ you're my hero =P

I think that the people who are saying that the people who use banlines should have to see them as well...

are all advocates of security orbs. I think so anyway, not guaranteeing.. so if thats the case, its just their belief that people should use sometimes faulty equipment instead of somehting that causes minor problems to people who.. could avoid them anyway.

The built in security is flawed, and hampers other residents legitimate enjoyment of the Second Life. I'm not asking for full access to people's homes.

You oviously don't explore via hot-air balloon or blimp much... eh? I'll have to take you around sometime and show you what I mean.

And I think that people who use them, should have to see them from the inside as well. If your neighbor has to look at your banlines... so should you.

ban lines are not a crime. they are, in fact, a part of the game. i have no idea what you are getting to....

we are simply suggesting that they also be visible from the inside as well.

that you keep using the word "punishment" is your issue. i do not think they are a punishment, but a tool.

How is it being punished? Your neighbors have to look at them... why shouldn't you? Do unto others as you would have done unto you and all that.

WHY should they be visible from the inside? What possible reason?


First off, I don't use them.
Secondly, the reason landowners shouldn't have to see them is because THEY OWN THE LAND! THEIR wishes on THEIR land come first.

If my neighbour is being banned by me, they deserve to look at it. If I'm using ban lines, I set it so that neighbours still have access. If they put them up and I cant go in or have to see them, I might consider doing it too, but thats just me.

Saying you have to see your own banlines *is* saying that people should be punished for using them, because you're arguing that they are ugly, yes? SO therefore, it would be unhappy to have to see your own.

ANd nope, never gone in a blimp. I don't fly around places unless invited actually, or unless its a sim such as NYC or something, where its totally open on purpose

so you know they are on. so you know how they effect your neighbors. so you experience the game as everyone is when they have to view them.

why are you so against it? what possible reason?

SO you know they're on? If you don't know, maybe you should rethink owning your own land...

So you know the effect on your neighbours? If they really feel just so put down by them, then they can ban you so you see it, as retaliation I suppose. I myself have a plot with a neighbour who has banned me, and I don't ever see the ban lines, I just don't get that close to the edges, I dont need to for anything...

SO you experience.... so again, punishment?

So you only use your banlines to selectively ban individuals? If that is the case, than I have no issue with your opinion.

Why is that saying you are being punished for using them? If you are using blanket bans to keep everyone out, then your neighbors have to put up with them... it's only fair that you endure the same visual eyesore you are imposing on others.

The whole mainland is totally open on purpose. The reason banlines only go up so high, is to allow people to fly over them. Back in the day (like a year ago) they were 40m high. People could fly overhead with no worry of hitting them, and still be able to see the various builds across the grid. Then they went WAY high with them, and have since come back down a bit... but not enough in my opinion. Simply because YOU don't enjoy exploring, doesn't mean others should not either.

You take the position that mainland is not intended for traveling around? How the hell is anyone going to find a store by exploring? Or see some of the great builds out there? You, and apparently some others, are ruining the idea that Second Life is a social platform where exploration and travel are encouraged by SL. Why the hell do you think LL cuts roads through a lot of sims... so that those of us who like to do more than hang out on one or two parcels can actually get around and participate in the community.

It appears that since I took my break, a lot of people seem to have grown very antisocial and unfriendly towards other residents. It's truly a shame.

One thing that might solve it for the majority most of the time would be to simply only draw "banlines" when you actually bumped into it (the blue pop-up tells you it's there, but the rendering would just be for orientation so you know which way to turn).

The precedent is easy to find: security orbs don't give you a visual indication they're there either, you won't know there is one until you trigger it.
For vehicle owners there's an easy precedent as well: you don't know about parcels with "Object Entry" turned off until you hit one.

The addition of a "Parcel Restrictions" option in View / Beacons to render all banlines on parcels within your draw distance for those who explicitly want/need to see them would solve the remaining minority cases.

Um.. it's Affect, not Effect.

But let's go through, shall we?

If I set them up, I know they're on.
How they Affect my neighbors is what this topic is about and that has been dealt with.
Finally, why should I have to experience this on my own land? People that view them didn't spend their money for the land, I did.

Why am I against it? Because I have paid for an agreement with Linden Labs that basically says that I can put banlines up without having to see them. You want to take that away and that's not fair. It's petty and you have no right to demand that Linden Labs change their agreement with me.

At the moment yes, but I do use them completely sometimes. What I meant is I use them and selectively unban, to be nice.


I'm not entirely sure what all I meant actually.. but I believe the default render distance is 64 or something isnt it? Therefore, if you fly above the ban lines, you can see things fine.

I just dont fly around much at all, I find stores by their places listings.

EDIT:: And also.. feel like I should say, I respect everyones opinions on this forum, whether I agree or disagree. I'm always going to voice mine, and others should as well in my opinion. Only reason I argue about opinions is to try to come to an understranding, for both parties., and maybe a compromise in situations like this.

you are really hung up on the ideals of punishment and revenge. my suggestion is not related to either of those, which i have explained clearly. so exactly what is your reason for not wanting to see ban lines on the inside? i didn't really understand your point.

What is yours? This thread started by saying banlines are ugly and have problems with how they look. Therefore, having to see them on the inside would not be ideal, correct? And yet you're saying that because they are inconveniencing people (By making them see and hit things on land they have no right to actually.. in my opinion) with their own land, they themselves should be inconvenienced. I personally see that as punishment. What would you call it?

Actually in a little experiment I ran yesterday and today, I found that banlines go up 50 metres from ground level, which means they can also be much higher than 50m obviously. I flew across an entire continent on my unicorn and I had great fun in the process. Found some cool places too. But that's another story.

I'm with Walker on this one btw, I like the idea of seeing closed parcels on the minimap.

Oh and I also went to the location mentioned in the OP to have a look, wow that looked bad.
Just MHO, YMMV etc.

Hmm... tough one... maybe to give "explorers" with vehicles a route to travel along that doesn't intrude onto any private land? Which is the exact opposite of what you're trying to assert.

If you actually keep to the roads banlines don't affect your travel one bit, but once again you just need to demand the right to have everyone else bend to your wishes.

What's wrong with people who stick to one or two parcels if that's what makes them happy? Are they less worthy than you for some reason?

Yes, from ground level.. can't you see hills coming up? I think you'd have to fly over them anyway if you were lower, so not much difference there...

And yeah, I like the map-showing-ban thing.. thatd be nice....