Visual effect of banlines on neighbours - a demonstration you can visit inworld (?)

Thank you, teacher McLuhan, for the grammar check.

i'm very glad your neighbor issue has been dealt with, but perhaps others have not reached a sound conclusion.

you should have to experience it on your own land for reasons previously explained above.

i have made no demands on anyone, simply provided a suggestion to the forum that might be a fair and equal solution to all.

you have your opinion, and i have mine. i'm sorry my difference of opinion angers you, as it is not my intention. i would hope that this was merely a discussion, and not a war of the wills. ihave no interest in unfairness, punishment or revenge. those are your issues. best of luck.

I hope I'm not less worthy than them... (Dun remember at the moment who the quote was from lol) ... In the last 4 days I've been to I think... 4 parcels. No wait, 6, I had to buy some stuff

I have no issue at all with responsible use of banlines. It's the 24/7 blanket banlines which prevent everyone from moving past easier which are becoming a royal pain in the back-hatch.

There are two issues which impede exploration... one is "No Object Entry" (unrelated to this thread) and the banlines. You don't get a good appreciation for a build viewing it from 75+ meters in the air... a lot of detail is lost. The mainland is not all residential, there are no zoning laws in SL, so there is no telling where I may find what, and the banlines are becoming a major issue in getting to and from places on the mainland.

That's a shame... there are so many nice places out there which don't always turn up in search. Besides... there is a LOT to see out there in SL.

I apologize if I came across harshly... but this is a frustrating topic for those of us who like to explore the grid.

i am saying that i do not believe LL is going to do away with ban lines. therefore, if i place them on my land, i am willing to view them from my side of the barrier. i do not call that punishment. i call that fair play.

How is it fair that people have to see things that they have a right to put up, as opposed to the people who have absolutely no say in that land (As said above, its not theirs, I paid for mine, and still am, I have certain rights on it)... I'm all for equal rights, but how is it fair that I should be inconvenienced by something I paid 20,000 L$ for, and am paying for every month?

I have to leave the forums now.. I'm actually enjoying this thread, its a good conversation of residents imho.. i'll read it later (4pm SLT or so), but if anyone has anything to say specifically to me, please PM it. ^^

/me ignores the pissing contest brewing (and likely getting this thread locked) and instead goes back to the discussion...


I think that's a decent idea for people walking around.. It makes vehicles even worse, though.

As to whoever said that they don't float over the landscape exploring except in places that are designed for that, you should get out more. The vast majority of people I meet while exploring are happy to see strangers flying by and swinging down for a chat, as long as you respect them and keep moving if it looks like they're.. uh.. busy.

What about the guy on the parcel next to you who did the same thing? You may ban people on an individual basis, but many people just ban everyone. That is the issue many of us are talking about... that indiscriminate use of banlines are negatively impacting the experience of other users... many of which also pay tier for their land.

That's how I met many of my closest friends in SL.

Ban em all.

Let Dan L sort em out.

The added "beacon" option suggestion (draw any "banlines" for restricted parcels within your draw distance) should take care of that though?

(Even though "banlines" mistakingly get blamed for *all* troubles vehicles users encounter, they have other things to worry about as well. Whatever you do with banlines, it won't remarkably improve vehicles)

how is it fair? i don't know. it just "feels" fair to me. how is it fair that the landowner does not have the share in the ugliness? is there really a solution that EVERYONE will agree to? i doubt it.

i agree. i rather like the idea of being able to view them from the mini map. i don't know how many keep that open when exploring, but it's a great tool. you could really preplan your route, and totally stay away from places you are not welcome... whether on foot, fre-flying or in a flying device.

The pissing contest? I don't think a beacon would help...

Beacons would be useful but I see them as more of a debug thing - I don't think it's a good solution for *everybody*. I still like the idea of setting their alpha based on how quickly you're moving to them. If you're walking around on your land, they're not visible until you're right on top of them. If you're moving faster, you get more warning as they get closer...

And yes, vehicles would still have other problems, even if my brilliant suggestion (which I stole) was implemented. It'd be one piece of the puzzle, though..

funny!

Why wouldn't it apply to indiviual bans as well? If you're making things "ugly" for other residents by banning them, you should share in it and see the lines up until 768m with your reasoning.

If people need a visible reminder that their access restrictions are on, then why not a visible reminder that they have someone banned?

Why don't we just put lines around every single parcel with a "Parcel Border" and a pirate skull texture, that'll make everyone equally unhappy .

Argh!! That would be fair... lol

personally, i don't think any of those are good solutions. but i like that people are trying to come up with ways to make SL better for everyone. good job.

Oh, so we're just going to resort to being rude and dismissive and putting words in my mouth? Groovy. I wasn't sure if this was that kind of discussion.

And, as long as you're going to be ridiculous and call me "Teacher McLuhan", it was spelling, not grammar that I corrected.

The rest of this? Silly semantics games, moving the goalposts and dodging questions.

Whatever, dude

I quoted the wrong thing. You read it before I fixed it up .

If everyone is being objective and realistic then the simple fact is that most people are either stationary or moving on the same parcel and simply use tp as a method of travel most of the time.

There's no "suits all" solution since different people are complaining about different things so it's best to just "fix" things for the majority of cases (ie don't draw them until you actually hit them) and then for the small minority introduce another manual option that switches to behavior they prefer (i.e. see all of them in the distance).

The point isn't that I think my suggestion is best, but that you shouldn't try and appease everyone all at once. If you implement your idea of basing it velocity, vehicle owners will still complain they're not visible enough, so you can't please them anyway, *someone* will need their own separate option.

It won't stop the "rage against banlines" at all, even if you implement an imaginary perfect solution. "Banlines" has become the embodiment of everything that makes vehicles not work perfect, be it security orbs, full parcels, disabled object entry, etc. A lot of people can't seem to differentiate between one and the other.

I fly around a fair amount sometimes, though not in a vehicle and not at speeds that might cause the disasters described by people who do. I often stop on private parcels to see the view, but not to enter private buildings, use other people's stuff, or spy. Ban lines, as presently constituted, are indeed ugly and a pain in the butt. Unfortunately, they are also necessary in a lot of cases, or at least very desirable to the owner, so I respect that and live with them. Also, I find security orbs are a far bigger pain when I encounter them than banlines: You often don't know where the orb is and therefore don't know how best to get out of its range, and the warning times are almost always set too short.

More and more I like the idea of making it voluntary whether you choose to see the banlines and to be able to adjust the draw distance at which you do see them. Looks lto me like that solves averyone's problem.

The landowner gets his banlines, and can decide for him/herself whether to make them visible on the owner side, either to remind yourself whether they are up, or just because he gets off on seeing his spite fence, if that is what it is.

The neighbor could set his banline draw distance at 0.1 meter or zero if he chooses, since he will have a fair idea where they are anyway and will still get the little pop-up no-entry box if he forgets.

The traveller passing through gets to determine how soon he sees them, and can choose to make them all disappear when he is travelling higher than 50m above ground.

The sightseer would have the same sort of benefit - toggle on when moving, toggle off when he wants to stop and admire the view. Even better for him than the traveller, I should think.

The vehicle-user would still have his separate issue of getting crashed involuntarily, but at least would also be able to have fair warning of imminent crash when he wants it, and to be able to turn it off when he knows he won't need it. Also making banlines visible on maps and minimaps might help him, and so might make a good supplementary fix. It would be good to help vehicle-users get a fix for their crash problem, which affects them at apparently every sim crossing and at other times as well, but that is beyond the range of this thread; It needs its own thread.

So who is not served by making visibility of banlines entirely up to the observer?

Deliberate trespassers and griefers, obviously; people who want to use other people's stuff without getting permission; and especially the sort of mentality that gets sore when the owner shows up and wants them to get off his sexbed. Also, I suppose, clumsy Peeping Toms who have trouble handling remote camera viewing from outside parcel lines. Anybody else?

EDIT - Oh, I forgot. There are the people who just don't want any barriers to entry at all on general principle, like the troller in the other thread who was pretending to be a communist wanting SL to be a giant People's Commune. Now who else?

Well said, Har. Well said.

Boo Hoo Hoo! The mean old ban lines get in our way when we want to go where we're not wanted. When we want to trespass unto private property. When we want to intrude under the guise of 'exploration'.

And we won't stop whining and bitching because the mean old ban lines hurt us. Boo Hoo Hoo!!! They won't let us go where we want to, in other peoples houses so we can check all the goodies they have. Then we can jump on their beds and use their poses and play around like we should.

But wait. I forgot about the mean ole ejection orbs or drones. They should take them out too because they eject lil ole us when we're once again where we shouldn't be. They also eject people like me who have nothing better to do then go where we shouldn't. Maybe if we hold my breath they will take the bad ban lines and ejection thingies away.

Them mean ole ban lines, they frighten me and my buddies. We soooo afraid of them cause they mean and bad and we don't like the color red either. It's so spooky seeing those bad red lines just staring at us. Make us want to run and hide under our beds. Oh, wait. Most of us don't have beds or houses or land either. This is why we like to go into other houses. This is simply because we feel we should go wherever we want without any restrictions whatsoever.

OK, now that we done crying here we can go search for more places to intrude upon. It's so much fun. Then we will return here and begin a new thread on this same tiresome subject again tomorrow.

That's why you add individuals to the land banning. That's how I have always handled it. That way, I am not rude to my neighbors, or people just passing through.

The vehicle issue isn't just fast moving craft... banlines will stop a slowmoving hot-air balloon dead in its tracks. You have to "edit" and drag it away. It would be better if it could just bump off like an avatar would. /sigh

Replies like this do nothing to find a compromise to the situation. Why don't you come up with something constructive to add, rather than behaving that way.