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Stacey Sugar
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09-27-2007 14:51
Marty, you are in Brighton, you have the opportunity to pickett outside LL offices there lol
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Marty Starbrook
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09-27-2007 14:52
me too .......... but ... you will note it IS against the sales and services act ... but this would have to be confirmed.
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Ciaran Laval
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09-27-2007 14:54
me too .......... but ... you will note it IS against the sales and services act ... but this would have to be confirmed. I'm pretty sure that if a price doesn't include VAT it must be stated. I'm sure this law was passed some years ago because consumers were complaining that the advertised wasn't the real price. If LL are still advertising tier as it was and not adding a * with a comment about price not including VAT then I would say it was against the European sales and services acts but as they're an American compant maybe they are exempt? However, whether exempt or not, they should announce if they're collecting this tax, even if it's just to inform their customers. |
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Jezebella Desmoulins
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09-27-2007 14:55
Oh noes, Europeans have to pay the tax they rightly should have been paying all along! :: plays world's smallest violin ::
I hope the Americans here are paying attention to these tax rates, because that's what the tax structure is going to be like here if we ever get forced into socialized health care. |
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Lisa Huet
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Join date: 24 Feb 2007
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09-27-2007 14:55
I didnt get a Voting ballot form .... Im sorry for my language but labour can go fuck off ..... they tax blindly all the time LL should include Taxaction BEFORE pricing not AFTER ..... as said before ... VAT is a tax thats included into the sales price .... one could say that LL have broken the goods and services act for introducing VAT as an unadvertised cost therefor illeagal Very true, my hubby is going to have a chat with a tax man in the morning to check the legality of this & implications (see previous post) We vote by mail, just get a form every so often to say are you still happy for your vote to be automatically made for the "X" party  |
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Marty Starbrook
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09-27-2007 14:56
but they are doing it after the fact Ciaran ......
my tier this month will NOW be plus 17.5% giving me no opportunity NOT to pay it by tiering down _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
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09-27-2007 14:56
Unbelievable. I'm so sorry for you folks in the EU. That VAT is ridiculous.
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Marty Starbrook
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09-27-2007 14:57
im gonna pay ... of course I am ..... .but its now made this expensive white elephant ..MORE expensive
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Ciaran Laval
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09-27-2007 14:58
but they are doing it after the fact Ciaran ...... my tier this month will NOW be plus 17.5% giving me no opportunity NOT to pay it by tiering down I agree with you Marty, I'm in the same boat. |
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Marty Starbrook
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09-27-2007 14:59
you us guys need to remember too ..... in the UK ,.,,,,, US prices apply with a UK price tag .... therefor everything costs us DOUBLE it costs you... im still waiting for LL to charge us £10 a month membership rather than $10 ......at 2-1 ration ... means you would have to pay $20 to be paying the same
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Marty Starbrook
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09-27-2007 15:01
and im pretty certain .. they DO have to notofy you at sale ....... this tax is appliucable AFTER its been charged ... i.e in retrospect, cant do that... if they said i.e ... as of yout next billing date VAT will be applied ...... then thats sort of ok .... but they are saying that on the 8th my bill will be inclusive of tax
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Dagmar Heideman
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09-27-2007 15:01
in america, if you buy something from another state there is no sales tax, so a user in say texas would not pay sales tax on items they bought in california, online or mail order. Completely untrue. The online vendor may not impose sales tax but the transaction is subject to sales tax and state tax authorities are going after online vendors for failure to impose sales taxes and getting many large online vendors to sign onto compliance provisions in exchange for amnesty for past transactions. |
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Tiana Whitfield
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09-27-2007 15:03
I think the fact that taxes are being enforced for something that none of us REALLY own is not the actual problem.. I am not hearing that people are complaining because they have to pay their taxes..its the way it has been done AGAIN! No announcement.. nothing! They have chucked it out and hid! LOL!
I wonder if Pogo.com collects taxes for their premium membership from EU residents... _____________________
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Tiana Whitfield
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09-27-2007 15:04
but they are doing it after the fact Ciaran ...... my tier this month will NOW be plus 17.5% giving me no opportunity NOT to pay it by tiering down I did tier down,, an overlap I think of a couple of days and I am paying the tax for Oct. _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
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09-27-2007 15:04
I think the fact that taxes are being enforced for something that none of us REALLY own is not the actual problem.. I am not hearing that people are complaining because they have to pay their taxes..its the way it has been done AGAIN! No announcement.. nothing! They have chucked it out and hid! LOL! I wonder if Pogo.com collects taxes for their premium membership from EU residents... Pogo.com (rather, Electronic Arts, or EA) probably doesn't bill you from the UK, so I imagine that the answer is 'no.' _____________________
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-27-2007 15:06
Oh noes, Europeans have to pay the tax they rightly should have been paying all along! :: plays world's smallest violin :: fuck u too run my island at 88% of costs and if i can`t get rid of it befor the 1st, i`ll be paying an additional $56 ontop of $295 wich will be charged down the chain to the residents as my tier price went from L$81216,45 to L$96647,5755 overnight to break even with no warning what so ever |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-27-2007 15:08
Don't feed the troll.
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Felix Oxide
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09-27-2007 15:12
Oh noes, Europeans have to pay the tax they rightly should have been paying all along! :: plays world's smallest violin :: I hope the Americans here are paying attention to these tax rates, because that's what the tax structure is going to be like here if we ever get forced into socialized health care. 65 million uninsured Americans and counting who have to get their health care from expensive emergency rooms that cannot turn patients away. Trust me we end up paying for it one way or another. If you would actually READ these posts you would see that people are not upset about the taxes. They are upset that once again LL has not made any effort to communicate this new policy catching many European residents off guard. |
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Oryx Tempel
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09-27-2007 15:12
From the TOS:
5.3 All data on Linden Lab's servers are subject to deletion, alteration or transfer. When using the Service, you may accumulate Content, Currency, objects, items, scripts, equipment, or other value or status indicators that reside as data on Linden Lab's servers. THESE DATA, AND ANY OTHER DATA, ACCOUNT HISTORY AND ACCOUNT NAMES RESIDING ON LINDEN LAB'S SERVERS, MAY BE DELETED, ALTERED, MOVED OR TRANSFERRED AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON IN LINDEN LAB'S SOLE DISCRETION. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, NOTWITHSTANDING ANY COPYRIGHT OR OTHER RIGHTS YOU MAY HAVE WITH RESPECT TO ITEMS YOU CREATE USING THE SERVICE, AND NOTWITHSTANDING ANY VALUE ATTRIBUTED TO SUCH CONTENT OR OTHER DATA BY YOU OR ANY THIRD PARTY, LINDEN LAB DOES NOT PROVIDE OR GUARANTEE, AND EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS (SUBJECT TO ANY UNDERLYING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE CONTENT), ANY VALUE, CASH OR OTHERWISE, ATTRIBUTED TO ANY DATA RESIDING ON LINDEN LAB'S SERVERS. So.... if it's got no value, how can it be taxed? _____________________
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Myrddin Delcon
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Join date: 26 Nov 2006
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09-27-2007 15:14
one way to keep all happy is for Linden to give all EU residents an extra stipend to offset the increase, say 100 extra lindens per week on the membership.
The threshold for reg for vat is 58k ukp below this its voluntary registration. I rent all my hosting from USA companies and never pay VAT I buy goods from usa and don't pay VAT This increase must be because sl are now banking in the eu |
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-27-2007 15:16
one way to keep all happy is for Linden to give all EU residents an extra stipend to offset the increase, say 200 extra lindens per month on the membership. 200L$ a month LOL got back to ur hole and stay there as ur 3rd post is a f`ing insult |
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Dagmar Heideman
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09-27-2007 15:16
From the TOS: So.... if it's got no value, how can it be taxed?  |
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Desmond Shang
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09-27-2007 15:25
Interesting.
When such things happen, the next first (obvious) response will be 'tax dodging' I'd imagine. Let me get my head around this here. First, say you are in the UK, and you have 1 sim of mainland. So... you now pay... (membership + sim tier) x (100% + VAT%) ? Is that correct? Second, say you are in the UK, and you are a basic member, renting 1 sim from a private estate. You buy your $L off the LindeX via credit card to pay tier to an estate owner. I presume that means you pay ($L purchased) x (100% + VAT%) ? Third, say you are in the UK, and you are a basic member, renting 1 sim from a private estate. But you buy $L from SLExchange via credit card. I presume that means you pay ($L purchased) x (100%) ... but no VAT% ? Help me understand this... anyone? _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
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09-27-2007 15:28
What don't you understand, Des? You appear to have it dead on. SLX is about to get a big boost in its currency sales division.
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-27-2007 15:28
Interesting. When such things happen, the next first (obvious) response will be 'tax dodging' I'd imagine. Let me get my head around this here. First, say you are in the UK, and you have 1 sim of mainland. So... you now pay... (membership + sim tier) x (100% + VAT%) ? Is that correct? Second, say you are in the UK, and you are a basic member, renting 1 sim from a private estate. You buy your $L off the LindeX via credit card to pay tier to an estate owner. I presume that means you pay ($L purchased) x (100% + VAT%) ? Third, say you are in the UK, and you are a basic member, renting 1 sim from a private estate. But you buy $L from SLExchange via credit card. I presume that means you pay ($L purchased) x (100%) ... but no VAT% ? Help me understand this... anyone? yea exactly u`ll be charged VAT aslong u pay trough ll, even if selling L$ trough the lindex without any payment info on file, so renting is the new way to go if ur from the EU as they`ll fuck u over with ip checks aswell edit: that means no TIER VAT evasion as ur account will be checked and compared to IP |