retroengeneering and idea stealing

i never see her anymore. i finally have her on ignore.

If you're talking about the scripting problem, Gabriele's admission that many of the infinite range of programs are not business viable is at least a semi-agreement. And besides, I don't generally try to persuade people who already agree with me!

No, that's not it. I mean that certain people have had groups or contacts in world who've not just shown them bits about how to build (or create in general) but also taken an interest in what they were building or creating and interacted together with those. I've never had that, and sadly I see it less in SL now, as the creators "go pro" and diverge from the socialisers.

what has that to do with being inspired to create?

Actually, that's just common sense. Again, don't confuse "many" and "some" with "all" and "every" when you try to draw conclusions.



Then you should just stop. Those who agree don't need convincing, and you are unable to convince the rest of us.

Her? o.O

Well, it's much more inspiring if you know that someone else is actually going to look at and give a darn about what you've made, than if you know it will most likely stand alone in a field forever.

Ah. Then create something *good*.

I didn't say "all". All I said is "a finite number". That's all it needs to be, to run out someday.



I don't know that I'm unable, do I? And besides, I might manage to find some help or useful information even if I don't manage it.

Right, except you can't do that right away. As 3Ring and similar said, you have to work your way up first. But having people who are interested in what you do as you work your way up (possibly because they are too) is still very helpful in motivating that work. And, as I'm sure Jojogirl will say, even creating something good doesn't mean anyone will care.

First, claiming that there's a finite number of programs which are saleable is probably wrong. But even if it were true: the finite number is likely very high; high enough that you'd never see them all exhausted in your lifetime. If it's not theoretically unlimited, it certainly is practically unlimited.




I'm here to help you learn that you won't convince anyone. Least I could do!

You've never invested hard work now for dividends later? If not, you must not do very much that's meaningful.




Well, you are defining good as something people will want. So yes, it does mean that.

Well, the reasoning is this: people don't use programs in a vacuum, they use them as tools to do the things that humans do, and there's only a finite number of those things, and then only a finite number that computers can help with. That's especially true on SL where there is a lower range of potential activities.



That isn't what I wanted help with, though.

I have. But it is much easier when others are doing it and supporting you too. That's why education often teaches skills in practical groups.



No - again, as the marketers will say, just because people want it does not mean they know that.

What?

I mean, what??

If Argent is still reading, he's going to run around in circles insanely (like ferrets do* when aggravated).




Consider it a bonus, then.

Or perhaps, it's what you need, not what you want.


I actually have no idea what ferrets do when aggravated. So I'm waiting for him to return.

So you can't teach yourself? Without losing interest? You need others to walk you along? I think I see now why you think human creativity is so limited...




You want a positive outlook. You just don't know that.

"Being a ferret" isn't an activity.

"Stealing people's socks" likely isn't an activity that scripting could help with. Unless he only steals the socks of people running RLV. And, well, ferrets in the areas where they hang out? Worrying.



I will still want what I want, though.

I didn't say I couldn't, I said it helped. And I said it's something SL could do.



Actually, I do know that. But no-one has given it to me.

3ring is right. If you don't earn these things for yourself, you'll never achieve them.

Anyhow, this is interferring with *my* creativity. I'm currently working on some rather complex event driven distributed processing algorithms (non-trivial scripting in SL that is) which I'm finding both challenging and educational. All by myself, no less.

How can you motivate yourself to work to earn a positive outlook, without having a positive outlook already?

Everything is circular logic with you, isn't it?

is that something like beating around the bush or beating the bush?

Whether *you* can build is not a problem with SL. The specific problems that you have brought up have been amply disproven, and the disproving has not solved your problem.

I'm just stating the problem as I see it. It's something that really exists and that I really do wonder if there was a solution to it. Again, this is where education has an edge. When I was at University a longer while ago than I'd like to admit, in one computing class we had to write an operating system. Yes. You read that right. An operating system. About the whole class were scared witless. But, ya know, we _had_ to do it or fail, so we did, and you know, it didn't turn out to be that bad, and that gave probably many people (including me) a more positive outlook on programming and working with things in that way.

SL could do that, but it doesn't, which is maybe a problem.