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Jojogirl Bailey
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01-02-2009 13:33
Yumi it works for everyone who does the very simple things i teach...i dont keep the info under lock and key. in fact ive given the chat logs of the classes out for free quite often, just like i teach the classes for free. if you would like them i am always happy to share as i do for anyone who requests the info.

I teach the classes because ive had so many people ask me for the info and more explanation in a class format. I dont make money from the classes as i assume you are implying. I also hold the classes as often as i can and they are always well attended. and i create new classes because people want more in depth info about once certain aspect of what i teach.

My marketing does not cost money. it is using the built in tools sl gives us...it doesnt involve bots or camping or anything else that is questionable. it is just good solid methods that work. it also does not involve buying ad boards or anything else that makes no sense...it involves things that work in sl. I cant create a new database for searching all items in sl for you. but i can give you all i know and hope you follow it to help you succeed as i have.

cant argue with that. or at least i cant lol
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Yumi Murakami
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01-02-2009 13:37
From: Argent Stonecutter
Don't ask me, I'm not the one telling everyone that SL is too limited.


No, but that's one point you haven't disagreed with yet.

From: someone

Nobody would care. Nobody would use it. For the same reason that nobody would care about your rock star scheme or your everyone succeeds scheme.


If it was done properly the vampires wouldn't have to know they couldn't be seen.

From: someone
Quit acting like you're frustrated! The best way to change emotions is to quit reinforcing the ones you don't like.


I don't want to change the emotion, I want to change the situation. I'm not a battery hen who needs to be made happy in the cage.
Love Hastings
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01-02-2009 13:39
From: Yumi Murakami
I don't want to change the emotion, I want to change the situation. I'm not a battery hen who needs to be made happy in the cage.




Now *that's* imagination!

Plus, some (people) are quite content in a cage.
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Jojogirl Bailey
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01-02-2009 13:40
wth is a battery hen lol and how do we determine if they are happy..just curious. :)
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Czari Zenovka
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01-02-2009 13:41
From: Jojogirl Bailey
One more point...maybe it is a UK thing to be soooo influenced by social pressures, but it sure isnt one where i come from...I will damn well order dessert no matter what anyone else chooses if i want it. LOL


You and me both! Let's go get some killer desserts - I'll race ya to order! ;)
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Czari Zenovka
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01-02-2009 13:52
From: Yumi Murakami
*nod* Sure, but it wouldn't work for everyone. I know you know that, otherwise you could just post the list of what to do here instead of doing it at a class (I actually wanted very much to go to one of your classes, but they're awkward for my timezone). If a single advertising venue has an advert from every single business in SL, it's no better than Places Search.


Jojo has shared quite a few of her ideas/tips on this forum in the "Advice on Sales" thread. She has also offered the notecard of her class to anyone who would like it...multiple times on this forum.

You mentioned not arguing with you and commanding earlier...I haven't eaten lunch, my hypoglycemia is acting up so I now COMMAND you to quit giving me a headache with your circular, non-sensical reasoning! :p
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-02-2009 13:55
From: Yumi Murakami
No, but that's one point you haven't disagreed with yet.
Sorry, can I categorically disagree with everything now and get it over with?
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I don't want to change the emotion, I want to change the situation. I'm not a battery hen who needs to be made happy in the cage.
Now wait, you told me you didn't want me to argue with you, you wanted me to give you commands. You can't turn around and argue with my commands now. This isn't Monty Python.
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Yumi Murakami
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01-02-2009 13:57
From: Czari Zenovka

You mentioned not arguing with you and commanding earlier...I haven't eaten lunch, my hypoglycemia is acting up so I now COMMAND you to quit giving me a headache with your circular, non-sensical reasoning! :p


No, the idea is to command me to do things that help me out of this rut, not that just leave me stuck in it but quiet about it.
Love Hastings
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01-02-2009 13:59
From: Yumi Murakami
Exactly. It doesn't have to.


In fact, I think that having avatars is way too limiting. We should all be disembodied consciousnesses, all knowing and seeing, in SL. Why can't we have that?
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01-02-2009 13:59
From: Yumi Murakami
No, the idea is to command me to do things that help me out of this rut, not that just leave me stuck in it but quiet about it.
Quit acting frustrated, and you will quit BEING frustrated. If you're not frustrated, you'll find the box isn't there after all.
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Love Hastings
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01-02-2009 14:02
From: Yumi Murakami
No, the idea is to command me to do things that help me out of this rut, not that just leave me stuck in it but quiet about it.


OK, I get it.

I command you (COMMAND YOU I SAY) to find somebody who will give you one on one, in world, training on how to use the build tools. I further command you to not go off on a tirade about how this isn't how SL should be. Then I command you to go build stuff, take Jojogirl's class and market your stuff properly. And then, and this is the important part, give me half the profits. Because that's how you can enable me to have my SL wishes fulfilled.
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01-02-2009 14:05
From: Yumi Murakami
No, the idea is to command me to do things that help me out of this rut, not that just leave me stuck in it but quiet about it.
So, to sum up this long and bewilderingly circular thread diversion: Yumi is fed up and wants us to do something about it.

You're on yer own, mate, I've got my own SL to enjoy.
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Yumi Murakami
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01-02-2009 14:08
From: Love Hastings
In fact, I think that having avatars is way too limiting. We should all be disembodied consciousnesses, all knowing and seeing, in SL. Why can't we have that?


It could certainly be an option. Not all-knowing, because people probably wouldn't want you seeing everything they do, but the option to be in several places at once would be very handy, actually.
Love Hastings
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01-02-2009 14:09
From: Yumi Murakami
It could certainly be an option. Not all-knowing, because people probably wouldn't want you seeing everything they do, but the option to be in several places at once would be very handy, actually.


That's limited thinking. I want to be *everywhere* at once, and see all! That's what I want!
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01-02-2009 14:10
From: Love Hastings
That's limited thinking. I want to be *everywhere* at once, and see all! That's what I want!


That'd be a bit difficult, as you'd wind up getting land ejected from several of those places, probably. :)
Love Hastings
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01-02-2009 14:12
From: Yumi Murakami
That'd be a bit difficult, as you'd wind up getting land ejected from several of those places, probably. :)


Enough of this. What about my COMMANDS? Have you got started yet?
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01-02-2009 14:16
From: Love Hastings
Enough of this. What about my COMMANDS? Have you got started yet?
Hey, my commands come first!
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Yumi Murakami
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01-02-2009 14:16
From: Love Hastings
Enough of this. What about my COMMANDS? Have you got started yet?


I have no idea how to find someone who'd help me with building in that way. There are plenty of people who've offered to show me how to cut prims, but I more or less know that. The bit I'm stuck on is the _next_ bit - ok, I know how to cut prims, but which prim do I use now?
Jojogirl Bailey
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01-02-2009 14:37
yumi the way to find someone to help you is to not shoot down every single thing they suggest....take a breath, actually listen and people are usually more than willing to help. but if you constantly put up the "prove it" wall, people will retreat and not want to try. go to some building classes. go to some of the building contests. go hang out in a sandbox and talk to some people who seem to be making some cool stuff. make a friend. but dont walk up and demand that someone prove something to you....that does not make folks willing to help usually.

we have a really nice community...we have people who just hang around, chat etc. once folks get to know each other, they are generally happy to help. maybe that kind of scenario will work for you, but you HAVE to stop the negativity...that is a COMMAND...hehe
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Gabriele Graves
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01-02-2009 14:49
From: Yumi Murakami
Likewise with vampires. I understand the complaints about Bloodlines fully, but it's a shame something like that can't work. But it could work.. if SL allowed the vampire to bite someone without the other person having to know or be involved. That wouldn't be even hard to do right now, it'd just require llStartAnimationLocally (which is already available in the preview window).
Being a vampire in SL is not defined by the Bloodlines HUD nor in fact any HUD. You don't even need anims, that is just a visual representation which is optional. If I choose to bite someone, I do it - I do not need request dialogs to make it happen nor permission from my victims.
It is only the boundaries of *my* rp rules that define what I do. My rp needs only what I type to make it happen, and it has been my experience that what I type is mostly accepted as what is happening by the people I am doing it to.
Just like with poseball sex, it is shallow and uninteresting by itself, it needs more from the participants to truly be interesting.
Can I do this in RL? Not really except as another type of roleplaying game. Does SL make this richer? Yes, certainly. SL is playing to my world and my imagination. I live my SL unlife the way I cannot live it in RL.
Czari Zenovka
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01-02-2009 16:11
From: Argent Stonecutter
Hey, my commands come first!


Errrrmmm, I believe I was the first one to issue commands!

And *after* being commanded to quit nonsensical, circular reasoning, you're still doing it, Yumi.

This will have to be dealt with...oh yes indeed!

(At least now I've eaten my headache is gone, but I fear to keep reading...lol.)
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01-02-2009 16:22
From: Czari Zenovka
Errrrmmm, I believe I was the first one to issue commands!
Yours was message #206, mine was message #194.
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Love Hastings
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01-02-2009 16:24
From: Argent Stonecutter
Yours was message #206, mine was message #194.


Futile! It doesn't matter who commanded her first. I win. That's just the way it is. ;)
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01-02-2009 16:28
Don't look now, a ferret's stolen your car-keys.
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Love Hastings
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01-02-2009 16:31
From: Argent Stonecutter
Don't look now, a ferret's stolen your car-keys.


Never cross a ferret. I see that now.
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