retroengeneering and idea stealing

Every partially transparent prim is a filter.
They absolutely do. Try it.
There's no documentation saying that you can create a 10 meter hollow cube and use it for all the walls of a room to save on prims, either, but that's not an "exploit". There's no documentation saying that you can use animated textures to make a prim head "blink"... and in fact when the folks at Luskwood came up with that idea and showed it to a guy at Linden Labs he called EVERYONE IN THE OFFICE over to see it, because they hadn't anticipated that use, but it's not an "exploit". I'm pretty sure that Dennis Ritchie didn't anticipate Duff's Device (look it up), but it's not an "exploit". When you buy a box of legos and build something that wasn't on the front of the box, you haven't followed the instructions, but it sure as hell isn't an "exploit". You're still using the legos the way they're documented to work.

Second Life isn't a paint-by-numbers game like Warcraft. It can't guarantee you success, and it's never going to implement your magic successful club or rock concert. It doesn't come with by-the-numbers instructions. If you are capable of writing code, you HAVE to be able to read between the lines in documentation, so why can't you use that skill (and it is a skill) here?

As a result of a bug, yes. If LL intended filters to be creatable, "New Filter" would be a menu option.

Yeah, Argent!

There should be a "Make New Head" selection for furries.
And a "Make New Car" selection...
And a "Make New House" selection...
And a "Make New Dancefloor" selection...

Why do we have to use settings and scripts and stuff? It should be done for us!

"Head"s, "Car"s, "House"s, and "Dancefloor"s all come within the purview of "objects".

Look. This is the situation where LL just shut down several thousand sims because they used more resources than the documentation said they should. The whole business with undocumented features needs to be sorted out, if they're going to do that. And there's still the lottery issue, beyond that.

What sims were shut down by LL?

Did I miss something? LL shut down several thousand sims? When?

No, as a result of what textures in rendering engines *are*.

You're making a fundamental category error, like the fellow I once knew who interrupted me in the middle of a presentation to a customer ranting (yes, ranting) that I was *wrong* for referring to a firewall as a router (because that's how it was being used in the network model we were proposing), because Cisco referred to it as a "firewall" and not a "router" in the documentation.
It is, it's called the "texture" tab on the object editor dialog.

Old-style "openspaces", which they effectively shut down by moving them to a pricing model which put them exactly on the opposite site of the value curve.



Ok, but isn't SL supposed to be a world that we look at as a world, not a "rendering engine"?



The word "filter" isn't there that I can see.

What? No.
LL didn't shut them down. I've got 8 of them. They haven't been shut down.

And they didn't "shut [them] down... because they used more resources than the documentation said they should."

They changed the pricing because people weren't using them how they were supposed to be used. Where does documentation come into it?

LL published a document detailing how they were supposed to be used, thus making that documentation. The attitude of "ignore the documentation and find neat things that work anyway" may well have been behind the prim overuse of OSes.

You are correct, they didn't shut down the sims, but they did shut down the offer.

No they didn't!

They're still offering Openspaces and they're still offering the original product.
How is that shutting it down?

I don't even know how to reply to the bit about documentation...

It made no sense to me.

They are not offering the original deal, of a 3750 prim sim at tier US$75. They are offering a different one with a higher price.



You said that people used OSes in ways other that how they were meant to be used. How did the Lindens say how they were meant to be used? They typed it out and made it public. Thus, that statement became "documentation".

Wow...

I can't keep up with your logic...

Have a great new year....

I'm done.

It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping. It's a snowmobile racing across the tundra. It's a flaming sword that burns all the way down to the pommel.
Neither is "bitmap", "OpenJPEG", "alpha", "bloom", "layer", or any other technical terms that they might have used instead of "texture", "transparency", or "glow". Don't get hung up on words. You'll never learn how to build if you keep thinking of the name as the thing, the map as the territory. Magical thinking like that is a category error.

You certainly did complain about fair competition, changing your story now is pointless and I very much doubt that anyone is copying your waves using copybot.
You said yourself that it is the bringing together of prims, textures and scripts in a special way that makes your waves special. Copybot cannot copy scripts so that means it is highly unlikely that anyone would use this route to copy your waves.
It is far more likely that they made a competing product after figuring out how to do a better wave, just like you did which brings us back to the first point and that is you are complaining about fair and reasonable competition.

I would like to also pitch my support for what Argent and others are saying here and that I totally disagree on pretty much everything that Yumi has said in this thread. Her opinions and views expressed here are way off base in my opinion.

I guess that makes Yumi completely right then

You got a deal

Sure, but what's your basis for that? In your answer to this I am hoping there will be information that helps me.

Lol just as update I found 5 people having totally copybotted my stuff and other at least 4 people having retroengeneered my waves ... now one also is purpousely imitating and copying even my unique products and dispositions .... is like you have ideas and other just limit to stay at the window and wait you to come with some ideas and copystealing it ... yes is it market ? Well its annoying anyway ....
not only its just a mere speculation program about gaining money even from the small stuff , simple single items appear cheaper but are much less expensive than a pack with stuff....

You will get information that actually helps you better by asking "can you help me" than by saying "there's something fundamentally wrong with second life because I need help".

I am unable to find the creators, can anyone drop me an IM?

The problem is that most of the things I'm asking for help with have canned answers which, while I'm sure many people do find them useful, I don't because I already know most of them. But trying to tell someone "I don't like that help, can I have some different?" when they have made a sincere attempt, and when they may not have anticipated needing to make more effort than giving the canned answer, is very awkward and usually just annoys them.

So "there's something wrong with SL because I need help" is supposed to be be better?

you like to bander the copybot word around.. you need screenshots.. and proof that the textures and sculpts are the same.
what i saw was ... similar waves.. different motions.. cheaper prices.. more variety.. they market it well too. with a video on youtube.

if it is genuinely copybotting .. ie the textures (ones you made yourself not photosourced from the net) and sculptmaps are being used, then you should file
but if its just similar.. then you just have to improve your own product.
scripts cannot be copybotted.

Yumi, instead of arguing against this advice, take it to heart, and work around it. You'll be better off.