retroengeneering and idea stealing

When you're a four foot tall ferret, even the 90% is nowhere near 90% the same.

I mean, people say "oh yes, even a vampire puts on his trousers one leg at a time", and that may be true, I don't know, I've never been a vampire. But a ferret definitely doesn't put his trousers on one leg at a time.
A vampire would also avoid drinking (significant pause) wine. And burst into flames and die horribly if he walked out of the bar before sunset. People tend to take that kind of role-play amiss in real life.

But it's a lot harder to get even that level of acceptance in RL.

Trust me on this one.

So how do you do it? Sorta hang the pants so that there's a opening, then take a running leap into them? That's totally what I would do (if I were a ferret).

Well, if that's true than all Argent's ferret arguments are moot - that just means he's one of the lucky ones that isn't in the ignored group, and makes no statement about what SL allows.

And yes, I remain in my belief that manipulating the entire virtual environment is not an option that can be dismissed. One way to defeat my "social misgivings" would be to have Yumi behave without them. The fact that avatars only do what their human controllers tell them to is just a design choice that could be altered. Likewise with vampires. I understand the complaints about Bloodlines fully, but it's a shame something like that can't work. But it could work.. if SL allowed the vampire to bite someone without the other person having to know or be involved. That wouldn't be even hard to do right now, it'd just require llStartAnimationLocally (which is already available in the preview window).



Right, but there's a huge difference between keeping your better mousetrap hidden in your house, and it not selling because you didn't spend L$100000 on a classified, run bots, or learn to game the GSA.



Right, that's the problem. But there isn't a "greece" in SL. The answer is to implement a way that increases people's information bandwidth so that they CAN know about every single item anywhere in the world. One such method, workable in SL (with a bit of architecture hackery) would be Matrix Search, as illustrated here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFXta_XDJv8 . If I recall correctly, the GSA already gathers the information required for this, and some Gridnaut clients have already been successful at multi-loading content from sims in this fashion.



Nope, I'm not at all happy with my frustration. And if no argument will counter it, who said you had to argue? You could just command.

Sure.

But RL isn't sold as "your world, your imagination".

"Slightly Better than Real Life" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

Sure, but you can't lie for the sake of a ring.

yumi its lovely to think of all items in sl for sale being in some sort of massive search thingy...but that isnt reality. In this reality you have to market your items, just like in RL. I choose to deal with what is rather than rail against it and hope for some sort of nirvana of equality in all things retail. I must be onto something cuz im making money. Smile.

That leaves us with, "A Vague Approximation of Real Life, Sorta."

Sure, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't think about how to make reality better, even while adapting to it if we wish.

And even if you're onto something, I'm talking about everyone in SL here.

Im not the only one...in fact, i teach classes in how to do what i do for marketing and i hear that it works for lots of people. I learned most of what i do by trial and error but also got some tips from other people who are more successful than i am...i am not alone in using marketing to work well for sales in SL.

You really have to try to stop lumping everybody into a single category, then drawing conclusions from that.

*nod* Sure, but it wouldn't work for everyone. I know you know that, otherwise you could just post the list of what to do here instead of doing it at a class (I actually wanted very much to go to one of your classes, but they're awkward for my timezone). If a single advertising venue has an advert from every single business in SL, it's no better than Places Search.

Somewhat more seriously, I'm kinda glad it's not really true. My imagination is quite limited. RL sucked the life out of it a long time ago. I'm rather glad I can exist in SL on the imaginations of others.

I'm not lumping everybody into a single category. The problem that marketing is trying to solve, is that there are too many brands for customers to be aware of them all. If _every_ brand markets, there are still too many. Marketing only works as long as some brands _don't_ do it, and that's what causes the arms race, as the standard required rises until some _can't_ do it.

Just like RL. Damn that RL, with it's reality 'n' stuff.

Right, but that's not an excuse in SL, because SL doesn't have to be like RL.

Moreover, if it is true in SL, someday marketing will lock down the markets in SL the same way it does in RL, and then SL will no longer be truthfully advertisable as a platform for new business.

Why the hell does SL have simulated gravity? And physics and shit? That's what I want to know!

SL allows people like me. It definitely allows people like me. No matter what else you say, it definitely DOES allow me to do things that are impossible in RL. There's people for whom it's hard to let go and be someone else in SL. That's on them, not SL.
That's just another variation of your "letting people have their own successful clubs" and "letting people all be successful rock stars" fantasies.
OK, Stop being frustrated.

Exactly. It doesn't have to.

I don't get it.

You say: "SL is like X"
I say: "RL is like Y"
You say: "But RL isn't Z" with the implication that SL isn't "Z" either.

So bloody what? I don't follow your reasoning.

"Everyone overgeneralizes, at least I do!" -- something that came up as my UNIX fortune (login quote) once.

Not true, because you're not allowing for all the persuasive power SL could exert on them. And anyway, how do you know it doesn't allow me?



Except, um, that it would work. Bloodlines could write a custom client for it tomorrow.



No, I can't change emotions on demand, but I can take actions.

Don't ask me, I'm not the one telling everyone that SL is too limited.
Nobody would care. Nobody would use it. For the same reason that nobody would care about your rock star scheme or your everyone succeeds scheme.
Quit acting like you're frustrated!

The best way to change emotions is to quit reinforcing the ones you don't like.