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How do you tell Man from Woman?

Hiro Queso
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12-09-2007 09:21
I couldn't help but post this!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/52194/im_a_lady_little_britain/
Elora Lunasea
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12-09-2007 09:24
From: Kitty Barnett
If you search for the "anti-social bot" thread, they're the ones who studied that in SL specifically. If I remember correctly :o, the larger context was to see how people "protected" their "personal space" in a virtual world, but part of it was based by gender as well.


Thanks Kitty, I'm curious to read that. Maybe I'm fooling myself, maybe I'm NOT female afterall LOL!

/me gives my sincerest apologies to Chris! I got confused!
/me really looks so much like a women!
/me really did think I was a women!

:D
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Raymond Figtree
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12-09-2007 09:24
Of all the general discussion topics on this forum, this is my favorite next to "Is it rape?".

IBTL
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12-09-2007 09:27
From: Hiro Queso


Meow! Strokes kittens and such! What a women!
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Kitty Barnett
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12-09-2007 09:28
And for the people who are desperate for a way to tell, there's always: http://bookblog.net/gender/analysis.php

"The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!" on my previous post... yay me :p
Gaybot Blessed
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12-09-2007 09:29
From: Hiro Queso


LOL
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Raymond Figtree
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12-09-2007 09:33
From: Kitty Barnett
And for the people who are desperate for a way to tell, there's always: http://bookblog.net/gender/analysis.php

"The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!" on my previous post... yay me :p
awesome tool. What is its accuracy rate?
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Oryx Tempel
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12-09-2007 09:33
From: Desmond Shang

Incidentally, one of the best ways to tell is to see how close a person's avatar stands to another. Men have a larger social distance, and they maintain that online with their characters amazingly accurately - it's been studied.

No way! That is so cool! LOL - I'm going to be watching from now on, just out of curiosity. Ya learn something new every day.

Re: Men vs. Women. I could swear my RL sister-in-law is actually a man. My sister actually calls her "the man-child" but oh well. I would THNK you could tell through different conversations, but then again I have two good friends whose avatars are completely sexless, and I honestly can't tell if they're male or female (one is an octopus, the other is a dragon.) For some reason it doesn't phase me at all. Their names are made-up, sexless names, their photos in their profiles are sexless... I think that when I first joined SL this used to bother me. Now it just doesn't matter, and I've found it easier to take avatars at face value. If she's a woman in SL, she's a woman to me. Chances are 99.99% that we'll never meet in RL, so who cares?
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Elora Lunasea
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12-09-2007 09:36
From: Kitty Barnett
And for the people who are desperate for a way to tell, there's always: http://bookblog.net/gender/analysis.php

"The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!" on my previous post... yay me :p


Gender Genie confirms I'm female! I can comfortably confirm my gender status to all! Woohoo!

Isn't the internet just full of invaluable psycho-babble? :D
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Bradley Bracken
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12-09-2007 09:37
From: Lilliana Roux
Hey all,

I am wondering how, in a medium that you can't tell if the user is a man or woman, and that is something that matters to you, do you tell one from the other. Is there a trick? A buzzword? Do you just "know"?

Fo the people that it does matter to...how do you know?


People in SL are who they say they are. I don't give a damn who's behind that avatar in RL. The only time I'd think it would matter is if you want to carry a relationship from SL into RL and I think that's pretty crazy, but do what you want.
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Cherry Czervik
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12-09-2007 09:37
From: Hiro Queso
If when lost they don't ask for directions, it's a man. If they can't read a map, it's a woman.


I can read a map Hiro ... *G*
Hiro Queso
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12-09-2007 09:38
From: Cherry Czervik
I can read a map Hiro ... *G*


Do you have big hands?

:D
Elora Lunasea
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12-09-2007 09:38
From: Cherry Czervik
I can read a map Hiro ... *G*


Ditto! *G* x 2! (and I have tiny hands, before you ask)
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12-09-2007 09:40
From: Desmond Shang
It's not something I worry about.

But I suppose if a person dreads finding out that they might fall hopelessly in online love with say, someone of their own gender...

...then I suppose the person they worry most about in terms of identity would be themselves!

By the time it should matter that deeply, you should already be close enough to know the facts.

And if you have a friend that doesn't care to share, well, friendship means that you don't pry, right?

* * * * *

Incidentally, one of the best ways to tell is to see how close a person's avatar stands to another. Men have a larger social distance, and they maintain that online with their characters amazingly accurately - it's been studied.

Of course, after reading this many of you will probably now stand too close or too far on purpose...


With the exception of Ms Connolly, and two of my rl friends who play here, NO woman stands very close to me. The woman who comes and stands way too close is a man ...
Alicia Sautereau
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12-09-2007 09:41
From: Kitty Barnett
And for the people who are desperate for a way to tell, there's always: http://bookblog.net/gender/analysis.php

"The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!" on my previous post... yay me :p

passed for something i`m not but was a close call :o
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12-09-2007 09:46
From: Kitty Barnett
Nothing short of a DNA test is ever going to give you a satisfactory answer and that might be just a little bit too much to ask of someone just to settle someone else's paranoia.

And DNA can lie too =)
http://www.medhelp.org/www/ais/articles/MARIA.HTM
Cherry Czervik
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12-09-2007 09:46
From: Hiro Queso
Do you have big hands?

:D


Nope :) They are tiny hands and I have tiny feet too :)

The Gender thingy thinks I am female, however it was a close call. I guess I am not too much of a "2.1 Children" cookie cutter woman, of course.

BTW voice morphers SOUND like voice morphers, not like women if someone is male.

***edit*** anyway I don't care. I really don't care what gender someone is, I care if they are LYING - and as Kitty said, lies come in all flavours.
Oryx Tempel
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12-09-2007 09:49
Wow, I posted something to the gender genie from an old job application cover letter. I considered it completely sexless but it came back as being decidedly female. Weird.
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12-09-2007 09:53
From: Oryx Tempel
Wow, I posted something to the gender genie from an old job application cover letter. I considered it completely sexless but it came back as being decidedly female. Weird.
There is no way for you to hide your non-sexlessness.
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Nimue Jewell
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12-09-2007 09:53
Checked out the gender genie. A selection from an old PM I wrote here came back as female, though not by a huge margin. I cut something from a paper I recently wrote though and got this:

Female Score: 47
Male Score: 204

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: male!


:p I guess I write like a bad ass. (Which has nothing to do with my sex or my gender :D )
Nika Talaj
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12-09-2007 09:54
The OP's question was "if you care, how do you tell" not "do you care". I think the answer to that is, there is no quick way to tell for sure, no litmus test, you have to really get to know them.

I try to treat people in a way which is consistent with how they appear. If they look like a man, I treat them like a man, if they look like a baby dragon I assume they're playful and of no particular gender.

And for me, the more interesting question is, why would I care? The only situation that it makes sense to me to care is if you're looking for a romantic relationship to take to RL ... it isn't insane to do that here, many have done so. But if so, SL hides a LOT more than just gender ... age, life stage, family, and of course looks ... and just knowing their gender gets you only a small distance toward judging compatibility.
Elora Lunasea
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12-09-2007 09:58
From: Nika Talaj
And for me, the more interesting question is, why would I care? The only situation that it makes sense to me to care is if you're looking for a romantic relationship to take to RL ... it isn't insane to do that here, many have done so. But if so, SL hides a LOT more than just gender ... age, life stage, family, and of course looks ... and just knowing their gender gets you only a small distance toward judging compatibility.


Nicely said Nika :-)
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12-09-2007 09:58
From: Raymond Figtree
awesome tool. What is its accuracy rate?
100% entertainment value with 50% accuracy? :p

From: Nimue Jewell
Checked out the gender genie. A selection from an old PM I wrote here came back as female, though not by a huge margin. I cut something from a paper I recently wrote though and got this:
A paper would be stating and defending or proving an opinion/conclusion/something which would require "direct" words that are stereotypically male. Female speech is stereotypically insecure and indirect which would probably make for a pretty bad paper, so it's actually paying you a compliment :p.
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12-09-2007 10:32
I take avatars at face value. Its a cornerstone of the Egotherapy philosophy, a matter of avatar rights.

The other day I happened to be standing outside the Egotherapy Centre in my birthday suit when a woman came up to me. She asked "man or woman?" I thought she was talking about RL but apparently she thought my av looked a bit masculine! I must say I was momentarily crestfallen. Just because I'm slim and athletic rather than buxom and voluptuous I get mistaken for a man, even without any clothes on! I know that I'm a bit tomboyish, being into building stuff, but I was always under the impression that I was one of the great undiscovered beauties of SL!!! LOL

As for heterosexual avatar sex - well, regardless of the genders of the RL's they end up seeing a male and female avatar bonking together!!! Big deal!!!!

I don't look to take anything out of SL back to RL, except perhaps snapshots of some of my builds. So far I've even managed to stop my RL agent from changing my L$ into £'s.
Desmond Shang
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12-09-2007 10:41
Somebody actually did do a study on it, which was fairly easy if you know the real people and script up something to measure distances. I don't recall if it was in second life, though.

I joked around a lot about this with a friend of mine, Mystical Cookie*, who I showed the study waaaaay back (maybe she remembers?).

At any rate, she made a 'gender detector for SL' in total fun - but the most fun was hardcoding in wrong info about some of our friends just for a prank... at least, I *think* she did, it was my idea... grin
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