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Kasuga Hax
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Join date: 6 Aug 2007
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01-20-2009 05:09
I never got bitten, because I just decline such events. Bad thing is, "virgins" are a main target I guess. Has something to do with the freshness, and high rewards.
Some vampires even offered Linden Dollars to take the said virginity. O.o
But okay, so if I wear that necklace, and look like a clown wearing garlic around my neck, then what? The necklace blocks invites? Makes Vampires render their stats to a reset if they try? Or does it has some sneaky script that makes the problem worse?
I dunno, anyone tried it yet?
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Viktoria Dovgal
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 3,593
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01-20-2009 05:48
From: Kasuga Hax But okay, so if I wear that necklace, and look like a clown wearing garlic around my neck, then what? You don't have to do that =) You attach it once, click on it, and a little menu comes up to take you out of the database. That sends out a web request to do the deed, then you can trash the garlic for good. The necklace thing is unnecessarily gimmicky, they could have done it just as well with kiosks or something. From: someone The necklace blocks invites? Sort of. Once that web request goes through, you are marked in their database as someone who isn't interested in Bloodlines. The players' HUDs use that same database to find out who is available for biting, and that is what blocks the requests.
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Adger Ragu
Use the forge, Luke.
Join date: 14 Oct 2008
Posts: 25
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01-20-2009 05:50
From: Kelderek Kilda I can't really understand why a garlic necklace should be necessary at all for people not interested in vampire role play. If a certain set of role players don't understand common courtesy in SL, there is no reason to create elaborate solutions to make the rest of SL play according to their pipe.
If a vampire approaches me with a bite invite in a non-vampire sim, I just tell them where they can stuff their fangs. It's as simple as that. No garlic needed.
I play a lot of pretty extreme role plays in SL myself (not vampire related, though). I would never, ever, dream of expecting other people to participate in them outside those specific role play areas. Nor would I ever approach anyone expecting them to participate in role play unless I was certain they were in on it. Profiles is usually a good source of information for this. Consequently, I have never had any problems with people not levelling with me in RP.
So, why should vampires have this problem in SL in the first place? Unless the create the problem thmselves with their behaviour? Back when I was a total newb to SL I met a couple of strangers that talked nice to me showed me a few things and offered me things. I was really happy, cause I didn't know sh1t about the game, let alone about what was going on alltogether. When we parted later that day a woman being with them asked me, if she could show me a special AO. Since I wasn't even aware what AO's are nor what they can do I agreed. I was told to accept the incomming offer, which I did. Remember: I was filled up with new intel the whole day so I was totally overwhelmed. Long story short: She bit me. She was the only Bloodlines-Player with that group. I didn't want to be related to bloodlines and I consider vampirism-roleplay lame (If you want to be a powerful undead, become a Lich or a Demilich) But I wasn't asked and I wasn't told what was happening. Above all I wasn't informed about how to opt out of that again. Ever since I ran around and did not know that I was listed on some freaking website. But I was wondering why I was "asked" every other day if I wanted to become a vampire and none of them intended to tell my why nor where they knew from that I was bitten. What I learned about bloodlines by being confronted with "insiders" from my newbie-stage? Most - if not all - "Bloodlines"-players I met in all these months turned out to be total retards, freaks, being unkind, selfish, most of them bastards and simply put assholes. They lack everything, begining with a life and not ending with even the most basic manners, and style. Although I explicily asked for that information more than once none of them ever mentioned the website, let alone the necklace. Why such a necklace is necessarry? Because the "Oh So Cool" Vampire flock around the unaware newbies and trick them into their sort of pyramid-scheme game. Before I learned that the only way to get rid of them is to treat "the cool vampires" without any respect and to tell them to piss off I was offered various "Elixirs" and "Potions" and what not that I could BUY (for money) to keep vampires at bay. That's why I call "Bloodlines" a pyramid-scheme. It was only two or three weeks ago when I sort of threatened a "Clanleader" who was trying to trick a friend of mine (guess what? right! total newbie!) into "Bloodlines" I finally learned about the necklace. LL should put up the vendors everywhere, and hand out explicit warnings, better yet put those necklaces into the default inventory. Don't get me wrong: I dont condemn people who think it's totally cool to be a "vampire". I did a freaking lot of RPGs myself (D&D, ADD2nd, Shadowrun, Cthuluh, Palladium, Midgard, Rolemaster, Traveller, and what not), but I simply don't want to be part of the "Bloodlines" franchise. I understand that there are many people who gain a lot from this game. But: Just because it is *YOUR* game and *YOUR* rules that does not mean that *I* have to play. That's why this necklace is a necessity.
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Awnee Dawner
object returned to sim
Join date: 7 Apr 2008
Posts: 206
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01-20-2009 06:10
hey! From: Kasuga Hax Some vampires even offered Linden Dollars to take the said virginity. O.o so i could sell myself for 1 million lindens or more? From: someone But okay, so if I wear that necklace, and look like a clown wearing garlic around my neck, then what? as long as LL doesnt add smell to the viewer, no problem 
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Kasuga Hax
Hanja Welcome Area Helper
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 284
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01-20-2009 07:16
From: Awnee Dawner hey! so i could sell myself for 1 million lindens or more? as long as LL doesnt add smell to the viewer, no problem  I guess you can put yourself up for sale. Some people buy anything.
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Brenda Connolly
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Join date: 10 Jan 2007
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01-20-2009 07:23
From: Kasuga Hax I guess you can put yourself up for sale. Some people buy anything. For the right price, I might be willing to let them put my cartoon name in their dopey database. The bidding will start at 5,000 Lindens.
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Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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01-20-2009 07:53
From: Brenda Connolly For the right price, I might be willing to let them put my cartoon name in their dopey database. The bidding will start at 5,000 Lindens. 50,000 and they could bite all three of my toons. Did I mention that'd be USD? 
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Boy Lane
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Join date: 8 May 2007
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01-20-2009 07:56
From: Adger Ragu That's why this necklace is a necessity. Thats complete BS Adger! Read that: http://my.opera.com/boylane/blog/bloodlines-a-pest-and-rip-off-ponzi-schemeTake note of the abuse report categories at the end.
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Adger Ragu
Use the forge, Luke.
Join date: 14 Oct 2008
Posts: 25
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01-20-2009 08:33
I did and I am still asking myself what your point might be? Those running the game give a rats ass about what you (or I for that matter) as far as SL is concerned. I'd sue them, if I could, alas: I can't. So why threatening with something I can't do? What's the point in complaining to LindenLabs? You get the alert. You are told you will be registered. You don't have to pay any money. The service is free of charge. Gazillions of Happy Customers(tm) vs. "a few that can not read". Guess to whom LL is going to listen to. Know anything better then the necklace? Know anything better then opting out? I don't. If that's not enough for you: honestly I dont care. That necklace is everything that is out there to keep that freaks off of me. That's what I care about in the first place. You are freaking out because you can not get off their database? Heck you opted in! It's perfectly legal for them to keep your data, since you AGREED to become one of their customers in the first place and later decided against that. Lesson to be learned? Don't trust anybody and shoot / ban / mute / ignore any bloodlines-player on sight (if that helps your frustrated ego) and go on with life.
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Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 5,119
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01-20-2009 08:44
From: Adger Ragu You are freaking out because you can not get off their database? Heck you opted in! It's perfectly legal for them to keep your data, since you AGREED to become one of their customers in the first place and later decided against that. Lesson to be learned? Don't trust anybody and shoot / ban / mute / ignore any bloodlines-player on sight (if that helps your frustrated ego) and go on with life. No, no, no. I agreed to be a Second Life customer and be in LL's database. I did NOT agree to become a Bloodlines customer/player/"bite me." I didn't check the little box upon account creation that says, "By agreeing to SL's terms, you're now an automatic part of the Bloodlines game." Nor did is Bloodlines mentioned ANYWHERE in the ToS or Community Standards. Unless you want to count spam as a mention.... Sorry to poke holes in your logic there. LL does not equal Bloodlines. SL does not equal Bloodlines. Bloodlines' creator is just another user like ME.
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Adger Ragu
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Join date: 14 Oct 2008
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01-20-2009 08:53
You got that blue alert. It told you that you would be registered with Bloodlines (aka "become a customer"  . YOU did not read that. YOU clicked "yes" (aka agreed to become a customer) and now you are trying to put the blame on OTHERS for YOUR failure? You want them to delete your customer data? Are they forced to do so by law? If yes: Good luck in sueing them, if not: What's your point?
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Boy Lane
Evil Dolly
Join date: 8 May 2007
Posts: 690
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01-20-2009 09:34
@Adger
Please read the posting I gave you the link for again. A blue popup disguised as animation request is certainly not an opt-in. Besides that all is said in that posting.
I recommend everybody to AR the 3 creators/owners for fraud of pyramid selling, harassment and inciting others to violate ToS as well as each of the spampires for assault, harassment and disturbance of peace.
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Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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01-20-2009 09:51
From: Adger Ragu You got that blue alert. It told you that you would be registered with Bloodlines (aka "become a customer"  . YOU did not read that. YOU clicked "yes" (aka agreed to become a customer) and now you are trying to put the blame on OTHERS for YOUR failure? You want them to delete your customer data? Are they forced to do so by law? If yes: Good luck in sueing them, if not: What's your point? Are you thinking of what happens when you get the HUD or Garlic necklace, because for a bite request, all you get is an animation request. There is no disclaimer about being registered on a website because you allowed an animation. I've had the offer more times than I want, and the animation request is all I got. Which ticks me off if I'm in an animation shop, looking for new poses or stands. A few trips around the sandboxes years ago taught me not to allow animations from things or people that I'm not sure of. So I never allowed it and am not in their databases.
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Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
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01-20-2009 10:05
What's unacceptable is that the Garlic Necklace puts you in the database too, so that you can't really "opt out".
This should probably be a TOS issue. (In real life I believe it would be illegal.)
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Boy Lane
Evil Dolly
Join date: 8 May 2007
Posts: 690
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01-20-2009 10:22
From: Yumi Murakami This should probably be a TOS issue. (In real life I believe it would be illegal.) It is illegal under the law of California where the company "Liquid Design / Liquid Interactive" behind Bloodlines without contacts and an anonymous registered website claims to operate. They fail to provide a proper privacy policy under the California Online Privacy Protection Act of 2003.
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Adger Ragu
Use the forge, Luke.
Join date: 14 Oct 2008
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01-20-2009 10:48
If you are perfectly sure that this "game" or "service" does not comply to SL ToS and / or is against the law then why are you complaining to me? Why for heavens sake are you barking up my tree? Am I by any means related to "Bloodlines" or the company behind that? Am I "pro Bloodlines"? Last time I checked I wasn't - in both cases. So please: Go to customer service (yes, Linden Lab has something like that for legal issues) and complain there. In case the whole thing is really illegal, too, go find yourself a lawyer and sue the f*cking hell out off them! But whining in some forum about your own stupidity to read what is on screen and about not believing what others are saying because the world is evil is beyond ridiculous.
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Boy Lane
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01-20-2009 11:03
You put the shoes on that fits you Adger  . Haven't seen your name mentioned again.
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Maklin Deckard
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Join date: 9 Apr 2005
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01-20-2009 14:24
From: Kyrah Abattoir not gonna take side with the creator of bloodlin but...
They offer a possible solution and you guys spit in their faces? First off, having read posts by the 'game' creator, this odious individual seems to take great joy in the fact it bothers others. At times, almost taunting. Should come as no surprise if people 'spit in their faces'. Second, attachment points are LIMITED. So I folks have to burn one to opt out? Third, why a frigging garlic necklace? Why not something small and invisible that could be tucked away on an unused attachment point (eye, ear, etc)? Fourth, why not have a terminal players can touch to opt out, and have the hud check with the central server when a bite is offered, not sending the offer if the person has opted out.. Seems to me more a case of the creator spitting in OUR faces by demanding we lose an attachment point to a visible object to opt-out of being bothered by the legion of drooling bloodlines idiots spaming eveyone in sight, rather than being responsible and making the change in his back end software and sending out updated hud's next time someone tried to bite.
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Ceka Cianci
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Join date: 31 Jul 2006
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01-20-2009 14:42
/me pulls up in her jeep jumps out tosses a bunch of necklaces made of garlic a few bottles of holy water some crosses and a bunch of stakes.. then goes back to her jeep mumbling* damn undead threads..they are worse than zombies hehehehe 
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Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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01-20-2009 14:50
From: Maklin Deckard First off, having read posts by the 'game' creator, this odious individual seems to take great joy in the fact it bothers others. At times, almost taunting. Should come as no surprise if people 'spit in their faces'.
Second, attachment points are LIMITED. So I folks have to burn one to opt out?
Third, why a frigging garlic necklace? Why not something small and invisible that could be tucked away on an unused attachment point (eye, ear, etc)?
Fourth, why not have a terminal players can touch to opt out, and have the hud check with the central server when a bite is offered, not sending the offer if the person has opted out..
Seems to me more a case of the creator spitting in OUR faces by demanding we lose an attachment point to a visible object to opt-out of being bothered by the legion of drooling bloodlines idiots spaming eveyone in sight, rather than being responsible and making the change in his back end software and sending out updated hud's next time someone tried to bite. You don't have to wear the garlic necklace at all times... you just get put into yet another Bloodlines DB. The Do Not Bite DB.
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Kelderek Kilda
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Join date: 22 Jun 2008
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01-21-2009 00:08
From: Raudf Fox You don't have to wear the garlic necklace at all times... you just get put into yet another Bloodlines DB. The Do Not Bite DB. That is exactly the problem. I don't want to be put in any database related to activities I'm not interested in participating in. The Bloodlines people should not assume that everyone agrees to follow their rules. I have no problem with them playing their games among themselves, but I don't want to get involved. Nor do I expect them to get involved in the games I'm playing. Unless they willingly chose to.
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Kyrah Abattoir
cruelty delight
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
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01-21-2009 00:43
From: Maklin Deckard First off, having read posts by the 'game' creator, this odious individual seems to take great joy in the fact it bothers others. At times, almost taunting. Should come as no surprise if people 'spit in their faces'.
Second, attachment points are LIMITED. So I folks have to burn one to opt out?
Third, why a frigging garlic necklace? Why not something small and invisible that could be tucked away on an unused attachment point (eye, ear, etc)?
Fourth, why not have a terminal players can touch to opt out, and have the hud check with the central server when a bite is offered, not sending the offer if the person has opted out..
Seems to me more a case of the creator spitting in OUR faces by demanding we lose an attachment point to a visible object to opt-out of being bothered by the legion of drooling bloodlines idiots spaming eveyone in sight, rather than being responsible and making the change in his back end software and sending out updated hud's next time someone tried to bite. You have to wear it once then you are removed for ever -_- it's symbolic -_- From: Kelderek Kilda That is exactly the problem. I don't want to be put in any database related to activities I'm not interested in participating in.
The Bloodlines people should not assume that everyone agrees to follow their rules. I have no problem with them playing their games among themselves, but I don't want to get involved. Nor do I expect them to get involved in the games I'm playing. Unless they willingly chose to. Why would you care of the difference between being removed of a db and be put in a do not disturb DB? You've never had protected identity with your phone company it's an opt in thing when it should be the standard but nobody complain i guess? Your avatar key is not a private information, any script in the sim you are in can technically read it without asking your permission. SO i should provide an opt out for my avatar key database in your logic? http://kdc.ethernia.net/sys/name2key.phpgo on, check if your key is in it?
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Boy Lane
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01-21-2009 00:49
Wearing the garlic necklace does not remove you from their database, it adds you. You could call wearing that necklace in fact "opting-in". Liquid something (the company with no contacts and the anonymous website) refuses to remove you from that database on request which is illegal where I live and illegal in many other countries. Including France Kyrah *smiles*
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Kelderek Kilda
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01-21-2009 00:58
From: Kyrah Abattoir Why would you care of the difference between being removed of a db and be put in a do not disturb DB? You've never had protected identity with your phone company it's an opt in thing when it should be the standard but nobody complain i guess?
Your avatar key is not a private information, any script in the sim you are in can technically read it without asking your permission.
As Boy Lane points out in the post above, the garlic necklace is actually opt-in. You should not have to opt-in to something because you don't want to participate in it. There is no "no Gorean RP" database in SL I have to register to in order to avoid Gor. There is no "no Star Wars RP" database to register to either. No other "special interest" RP group in SL need a special database to keep track of people who don't want to participate in their games. Why should Bloodlines need to have one? The only thing needed is common courtesy. Do not involve people in the RP unless they actively want to get involved. It's that simple.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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01-21-2009 01:00
It is illegal for real persons Boy, not avatars.
I myself too thought about writing reverse database (where everybody not in the database is assumed to be a certain thing).
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