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Amaranthim Talon
Voyager, Seeker, Curious
Join date: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 12,032
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10-20-2008 13:54
With out reading all this stuff- I have a question- what difference does it make? I mean- they can only bite you once unless you take some silly antidote and let another one bite- what's the big deal? Not putting anyone down that is genuinely bothered- I am just trying to find out if there is anything real -in the context of sl i mean - to even think about here. Some vamp person asked once a million years ago, I consented- they went away and that was it til the other night a friend i hadnt seen in a while asked if i wd take an antidote so he could bite me. I did- wth? And if i understand it correctly- that is that. I dont play the game so I shouldnt bump into any more creatures of the night
and i "helped" a friend. I found the insistent Tiny empire people more annoying, but thankfully that has dropped off too._____________________
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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
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10-20-2008 14:00
With out reading all this stuff- I have a question- what difference does it make? I mean- they can only bite you once unless you take some silly antidote and let another one bite- what's the big deal? Not putting anyone down that is genuinely bothered- I am just trying to find out if there is anything real -in the context of sl i mean - to even think about here. Some vamp person asked once a million years ago, I consented- they went away and that was it til the other night a friend i hadnt seen in a while asked if i wd take an antidote so he could bite me. I did- wth? And if i understand it correctly- that is that. I dont play the game so I shouldnt bump into any more creatures of the night and i "helped" a friend. I found the insistent Tiny empire people more annoying, but thankfully that has dropped off too.Then I will have to do the same for the Lycan version, and the next version and the next plus all the ones from other companies who look to emulate bloodlines. If this is pushed back on in a big way it might stop others taking this flawed approach or encourage LL to take action against spamming tactics. |
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Solar Legion
Darkness from Light
Join date: 9 Dec 2006
Posts: 434
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10-20-2008 14:01
Stop with the insults already, they are really low and unnecessary. Nobody should have to do anything to not play a game. That point seems lost on you. There is no need to discuss the technical aspects, they are not in dispute. It is clear what they are doing and what they could be doing instead. The reasons why they are not doing what they could do are social and ethical reasons. The fact they may not be ethical is what everyone but you are discussing right now. I am responding to your posts because you seem to miss that. I was hoping to help you see that. all I see is a bunch of schoolyard kids crying about how the bully beat them up. Using a social or ethical hammer on an issue that can be solved at the root of it is essentially the same as what I have just described. did you not notice that I suggested someone find a way to auto decline such things and add their friends to a list that will allow the box to pop up? Apparently you did. I'm not insulting anyone: I'm telling you how you how I see you acting. I do hate to break it to you, but I've already told you the reasoning behind such a system being used: It is a valid reason and frankly ... while I'd personally do it differently, the current method allows anyone and everyone that may be interested to interact and react without having to go out and buy or get anything additional to put into their inventory. THAT point is lost on YOU. A content creator or GM should be able to allow others to participate if interested with minimal impact on a person's inventory and minimal need for additional items to even be used. do NOT blame the creator for what some users do: It's ridiculous AND frankly it IS childish. _____________________
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Raudf Fox
(ra-ow-th)
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 5,119
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10-20-2008 14:06
RP system creator chose to create a hud that scans for those not already bitten (already in a DB) and send bite invites out to people who aren't and don't want to be a part of the creator's game. This leads to annoying spam bites in popular places and makes it majorly unpopular among business owners.
RP system creator could have created a system that either scanned for an attachment on other avatars AND/OR scanned a DB of those who opted in. This has been done by others, so it's not technically impossible for the creator to do. Instead, the creator decides to release an opt-out item that collects avatar names/keys to store in DB. The creator and their game users are basically saying everyone is opted in unless they use the opt out item, regardless of whether or not other SL users want to be a part of their RP. It's also leading to newbies getting spammed, not knowing what the heck is going on. Which has further consequences, even for LL in possible user retention. I didn't opt in to the game, so I shouldn't have to opt out. The creator of the system should be held responsible as a GM (or for those of us in mu* God(dess) ) and if they can't be bothered to fix their own 'hardware,' then weed out those spamming people, kicking them from the RP and counting their contributions as null. Might bring the rest of their community in line... I think that sums up my points. I don't care about avatar keys and all that. As far as I'm concerned that's a different topic. _____________________
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Kitty Barnett
Registered User
Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 5,586
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10-20-2008 14:24
I am now going to go about my SL life happily - and learn not to get so riled up next time....I hope! Lol!  http://werewolf.slbloodlines.com/ With out reading all this stuff- I have a question- what difference does it make? I mean- they can only bite you once unless you take some silly antidote and let another one bite- what's the big deal? Additionally, parcel owners have no way to prevent Bloodlines players from harassing people on their parcel. They can put up a necklace vendor but all that really does is just give them free publicity and it doesn't stop Bloodlines players from focusing on people who don't have a clue what the game is in the first place. If the majority doesn't see anything wrong with Bloodlines then why don't we all just script a "Please donate to the 'Get me my own private sim' fund" spammer^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hgame. It'll ask anyone in a 96m radius for L$50 donations and the person wearing it gets L$25 per donor they bring in just to make whole armies of newbies will be wearing it. It'll all be perfectly fine since the creator of the script isn't responsible for anything and everyone opts-in by default and if you don't feel like donating then that's ok, just click "No" on every pop-up. No big hassle.  |
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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
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10-20-2008 14:30
all I see is a bunch of schoolyard kids crying about how the bully beat them up. You are reading far more into my words and making stuff up about what *you* see there than really is. That is your choice though, however it only remains what you see and not in fact what is there. |
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Love Hastings
#66666
Join date: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 4,094
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10-20-2008 14:37
Then you have already passed out of reasonable debate and into just seeing your own agenda. I see people trying to have a debate on the ethical implications of the opt-out system as regards to bloodlines. You are reading far more into my words and making stuff up about what *you* see there than really is. That is your choice though, however it only remains what you see and not in fact what is there. His problem is that he can't see his own reflection... _____________________
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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
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10-20-2008 14:38
His problem is that he can't see his own reflection... |
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Jinnywitha Cleanslate
Registered User
Join date: 31 Jan 2007
Posts: 164
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10-20-2008 15:29
Gabriele Graves - I can totally see your point about not wanting the hassle of un-subscribing. I didn't either, but the hassle I got from the idiots playing the game, drove me to it...unfairly or not. The fact that the necklace plays on a stereotype is lame, but then so is the majority of the game players, some of which go about their own stereotypical vampire role-play regardless of where they are, and what people tell them.
I don't want to be a part of it, but as there are no dedicated SIMs for Bloodlines, so I am forced to be a part of it. I don't like it, and don't want anything to do with it - but I was bitten, and I had no option but to deal with it. Still not sure how I was bitten, but it apparently happened, so the only way to remove myself and hopefully stop the hassle (I hope) is to follow the creators rules. I'm not saying it's right, but I did actually find the chat with the creator, very interesting, and it would be a fine game, if people would play it properly and not spam. Well....for me, right now - the problem is resolved....until Werewolves are out, and then I shall just have to be doubly careful. Lol - wonder how many vampys will suddenly think vamps suck, but werewolves are way cooler! Lol. Anyway - I am totally with you, on the basis that this could open the floodgates for other such games, but I'm just gonna cling like mad, to my Life-raft of hope, and pray it doesn't. I don't even know how LL would police such games. I don't blame the creators... I just think that players should be more respectful of others, and take a Decline, as meaning no, and leave it there. If a 'nice' vampy isn't going to be permitted to add me to their munched list, being nasty isn't going to convince me....nor is talking like you want me to join a cult. |
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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
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10-20-2008 15:37
Gabriele Graves - I can totally see your point about not wanting the hassle of un-subscribing. I didn't either, but the hassle I got from the idiots playing the game, drove me to it...unfairly or not. The fact that the necklace plays on a stereotype is lame, but then so is the majority of the game players, some of which go about their own stereotypical vampire role-play regardless of where they are, and what people tell them. I don't want to be a part of it, but as there are no dedicated SIMs for Bloodlines, so I am forced to be a part of it. I don't like it, and don't want anything to do with it - but I was bitten, and I had no option but to deal with it. Still not sure how I was bitten, but it apparently happened, so the only way to remove myself and hopefully stop the hassle (I hope) is to follow the creators rules. I'm not saying it's right, but I did actually find the chat with the creator, very interesting, and it would be a fine game, if people would play it properly and not spam. Well....for me, right now - the problem is resolved....until Werewolves are out, and then I shall just have to be doubly careful. Lol - wonder how many vampys will suddenly think vamps suck, but werewolves are way cooler! Lol. Anyway - I am totally with you, on the basis that this could open the floodgates for other such games, but I'm just gonna cling like mad, to my Life-raft of hope, and pray it doesn't. I don't even know how LL would police such games. I don't blame the creators... I just think that players should be more respectful of others, and take a Decline, as meaning no, and leave it there. If a 'nice' vampy isn't going to be permitted to add me to their munched list, being nasty isn't going to convince me....nor is talking like you want me to join a cult. Where we part ways is on who is to blame for all this, you blame the idiots who play (prey?) without conscience on others and I agree they share some of the blame but mostly I blame the creators more. Why? It is simply because they created a game that lends itself towards the way that the idiots are playing it. It is pyramid-scheme-like in that exponential numbers of new players are needed to keep the players in blood. What is the easiest way to get new players? Co-opt them in without permission and hope they will be peer-pressured into giving their blood. That is the only reason why they have it force-play and opt-out only. Had the game makers created a HUD that only interacted with other players then all of the problems that we are seeing would not be present and the idiots would not be hassling anyone. |
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Amaranthim Talon
Voyager, Seeker, Curious
Join date: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 12,032
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10-20-2008 15:41
There is no way I am letting a bloodlines player "bite" me even once. That would be taking part in something I have no desire to do. So this means I will have to put up with constant bite requests or take steps to opt-out which I object to doing for a game I never agreed to play. Then I will have to do the same for the Lycan version, and the next version and the next plus all the ones from other companies who look to emulate bloodlines. If this is pushed back on in a big way it might stop others taking this flawed approach or encourage LL to take action against spamming tactics. Well- it has been two days since my friend bit me- I have not been in world much since so I don't know if there will be further requests- but I will go about tonight and see if I get Bit on". If I do - I will chop his head off and offer it up to you, my favorite vamp _____________________
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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
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10-20-2008 15:45
Well- it has been two days since my friend bit me- I have not been in world much since so I don't know if there will be further requests- but I will go about tonight and see if I get Bit on". If I do - I will chop his head off and offer it up to you, my favorite vamp If you have already been bitten then you will not get anymore requests as i understand it. |
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Amaranthim Talon
Voyager, Seeker, Curious
Join date: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 12,032
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10-20-2008 15:53
i suppose i see ur point- those annoyed @ having to opt out- but honestly- I have other things to fill my time-...meh- don't care- but tyvm...
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Viktoria Dovgal
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 3,593
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10-20-2008 15:57
If you have already been bitten then you will not get anymore requests as i understand it. Unfortunately it hasn't worked out that way, the worst spampires kept harassing my other account that managed to get "bitten" months ago just by having a conversation in chat at the wrong time. Asking about this, players sometimes blame it on the game's web server being unreachable, or something like that. Seems odd that the HUD would work at all, if it couldn't figure out what it was doing, but that is the story some give. I'll have to drop into some noob-heavy spots soon and see if the necklace thing actually works. |
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
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10-20-2008 17:16
It is kind of a technical issue, but not about whether or not avatar keys are kept in a database somewhere--that's really an implementation detail, inasmuch as those keys are readily available from multiple sources, including LL itself. The real technical issue is the design of the game. If they were going to implement the database server as they did, they could have removed the stigma associated with the game players and creators by simply making a single decline count for every player, forever. That would be opt-out, but at least it would control the spam and harassment built in to the current design.
But they didn't do that, so the ethics of the matter is that these creators are obviously intent on making money from the game at the expense of themselves and their customers being considered incompetent slimeballs. And thus they've lost all grounds to complain when people call them incompetent slimeballs: it's the cost of doing the devil's business. So to speak. Should there be more effective penalties against the creators? Evidently LL doesn't think so. But this isn't the same as a hands-off creator who sells a device used improperly by some customers. Rather, in this case, the creators' service plays an active role in the ongoing harassment. That makes them accomplices, seems to me. |
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Alicia Sautereau
if (!social) hide;
Join date: 20 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,125
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10-20-2008 19:10
Alicia, do yourself a favor: don't bother responding to me if all you can manage is childish sarcasm and a poor attempt at humor. Feel free to respond when you are able to correlate real spam (notecards, textures and the like) to something OTHER than a real opt out system. To those complaining about the opt out method: You can either do what has been suggested by another poster and IM the creator to get your name removed, or follow the opt out protocol, buy thr necklace, wear it ONCE, click on it and remove yourself from the database. I still do not see anyone complaining about the opt out nature of linden functions either ... and they have information on you, insecure, that is far more damaging in the long run. i`ll respond to who ever i like, when ever i like and how ever i like, that you can`t coop with bad humor, sarcasm and more sarcasm, not many of my posts go without, is your problem not mine...tough luck spampires spam any one and every one with requests wich is no different then randomly selecting * amount of people to send unsolicitated notecards too, wich also happens the system is built and depends on spamming animation requests instead of taking a technical approach as mentioned, this isn`t a griefing PRODUCT like any weapon/hud but a SERVICE, big fracking difference about LL, i don`t get any spam from them or cause of them, but from your spamvire buddies i do, so your point? discussing this is pointless, spamvires are spammers and supported by the creator |
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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
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10-20-2008 19:13
Unfortunately it hasn't worked out that way, the worst spampires kept harassing my other account that managed to get "bitten" months ago just by having a conversation in chat at the wrong time. Asking about this, players sometimes blame it on the game's web server being unreachable, or something like that. Seems odd that the HUD would work at all, if it couldn't figure out what it was doing, but that is the story some give. I'll have to drop into some noob-heavy spots soon and see if the necklace thing actually works. |
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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
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10-20-2008 19:14
Rather, in this case, the creators' service plays an active role in the ongoing harassment. That makes them accomplices, seems to me. |
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Justa Lemon
Disgruntled Second Lifer.
Join date: 4 Oct 2008
Posts: 57
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10-21-2008 13:01
Ok unless i missed something, i thought bloodlines worked like this.
People try to bite others to gain rank, when they are bitten they are no longer listed as fresh blood. If this garlic removes you from the list, doesn't that just mean you are open to bite requests again, therefore just putting you right back in the same situation we were before. Or does this garlic somehow prevent the spampires from giving you bite requests ? |
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Taylor Lubezki
Bratty - Neko
Join date: 12 Aug 2007
Posts: 498
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10-21-2008 13:03
I just always ask them if they have a VERY good dental plan cause fangs are hard to grow back...
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Viktoria Dovgal
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
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10-21-2008 13:59
Ok unless i missed something, i thought bloodlines worked like this. People try to bite others to gain rank, when they are bitten they are no longer listed as fresh blood. If this garlic removes you from the list, doesn't that just mean you are open to bite requests again, therefore just putting you right back in the same situation we were before. Or does this garlic somehow prevent the spampires from giving you bite requests ? It doesn't remove you, it adds you if you're not already there and marks you as not interested. People already "bitten" are still sort-of listed in others' stats as "name removed" (apparently spampires get to keep those soul points), and "removed" avatars' pages remain but the data is hidden (random example: http://www.slbloodlines.com/member.php?m=39132 ). |
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Awnee Dawner
object returned to sim
Join date: 7 Apr 2008
Posts: 206
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10-21-2008 14:49
hey!
is there a way to find out if someone is bitten or not? ive seen a friend of mine down on the floor with all this black hovertext over him and he said he was bitten, he also has rezed out a sort of bloodmarks? - hes a newbie 2 weeks old, ... with every game i have the choice to buy, download, play -> quake,hallo, ... i wont have a game what downloads and installs itself cos i power on my computer. i can join every game in sl i wanna play ie gor, im not a gorplayer per default. i can join in any bdsm game im not a slave per default or maybe a mistress. same for other combatgames / sims, racers, ... i do not plan to join the vapiregame so why should i use a neckless or plant garlic on my island. in my opinion this "vampire"game? isnt a game, its a sort of slvirus, spyware, usless lagcauser, ... however as long as a vampire can stay up at daytime -> † <- you know?  _____________________
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Pyrite Sopwith
No Shoes Required
Join date: 8 Aug 2008
Posts: 169
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10-21-2008 15:45
Not only do I stay away from vampire bites, but also I decline any offers that involve animating my avatar at their request. Unless I know that person really well, I simply decline any offers from others I haven't had much exposure to whom I cannot trust until I really know that person.
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DagnyT Dagger
Registered User
Join date: 14 Jun 2007
Posts: 20
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Not a solution
12-19-2008 23:02
not gonna take side with the creator of bloodlin but... They offer a possible solution and you guys spit in their faces? It is NOT a solution. They do not remove you from their database. All they do is hide your name on their website, and allow you to be hidden from their hud. This only works really, if you have never been bitten at all. Once you have been bitten, your bite requests drop to practially nil. And yes, the creators SHOULD be ARed and punished. Note for their creation per se, but because they purposefully created something that is designed to not only harass people, but to gather the data of these people (without any prior knowledge ) store it, and refuse to delete it upon request. |
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Quixotic Hermit
Registered User
Join date: 9 Nov 2008
Posts: 65
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12-19-2008 23:58
I hate unsolicited bites as much as the next person. But, I play Bloodlines along with my wife and we use it as a way to make friends. Bloodlines is no more a marketing scheme than the reselling of virtual land is. It's all about perspective. I usually don't bring it up until they ask me about my fangs and then I let them know about it and ask to bite them if they're a fresh victim. I spend more on buying blood than I do biting people. It is a form of RP just like anything else and my wife and I built our home in SL themed around medieval and vampire culture. Non-creative automatons stand around and spam people with offers to bite. People who RP and do it right do so through actual conversation. The challenge and the thrill lies in convincing someone they should be bitten in the first place and even more so convincing them to turn into a vampire!
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