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then we should be allowed to use a script to send notecard spam to every single avatar that has it`s key registerd by a 3rd party site

go ahead and try it... it`s opt out!

you endup getting banned

I still do not see anyone complaining about the opt out nature of linden functions either ... and they have information on you, insecure, that is far more damaging in the long run.

Very simple, we agreed to LL's functions. We did not agree to be listed as part of your game.

2. Your 'agreement' was creating an account and getting an AV key as a result. You also agreed to have your AV key used by various other functions as well as being stored in both LL's central database .... and another of far more ill repute.

Very simple:

1. It's not my game.
2. Your 'agreement' was creating an account and getting an AV key as a result. You also agreed to have your AV key used by various other functions as well as being stored in both LL's central database .... and another of far more ill repute.

Nice try though.

This simply isn't true. The only agreement you sign on login is the TOS, which says nothing about allowing your key to be freely used.

"Your" in a general sense. But you are defending it, so it makes it your game.

I am glad you acknowledge that "Bloodlines" is of an ill repute.

Very simple:

1. It's not my game.
2. Your 'agreement' was creating an account and getting an AV key as a result. You also agreed to have your AV key used by various other functions as well as being stored in both LL's central database .... and another of far more ill repute.

Nice try though.

There is a difference between the LL key system and the Bloodlines BS. A huge difference.

If you don't want to have an avatar key, the answer is simple: Don't install the program. Don't create an account. Don't agree to the ToS. You'll never have LL spamming you with, "Join our game: Accept or Decline," on your computer's interface. It's completely opt in and they make sure you know what you're agreeing to. (If you speak lawyerese...)

There is NO such thing for Bloodlines. I looked for a prim that says, "Wanna be a victim? Click here to join up," or something similar on their website. There isn't. Apparently, we're all in their annoying game until we give them our KEYS to get out of it. Yeahhhhh... no. I didn't opt in, I didn't click anything that said, "Hey I wanna play victim." And I sure as heck am not sending them my (apparently) precious key to get the heck out of something that I didn't want in on.

LL gave us the tools to handle this, actually. It's called eject, ban and/or AR. These are the easiest way of dealing with the situation and these are also why I'm not complaining about LL concerning it.

They already HAVE your keys thanks to the Name2Key database. Once again, you opted in the moment you made an account they could search and plug into their own database.

You opted into every function that requires a key in fact.

...your opening statement has no relevance to this at all.

They already HAVE your keys thanks to the Name2Key database. Once again, you opted in the moment you made an account they could search and plug into their own database.

Um: No.

They already HAVE your keys thanks to the Name2Key database. Once again, you opted in the moment you made an account they could search and plug into their own database.

You opted into every function that requires a key in fact. Ethical? Nope. The hard truth? Yep.

So then: Once more, as it currently stands ... attempting to create a reason to complain or rationalize away the notion that you had to opt in instead of opt out .... Well it is moot now isn't it?

Oh! I do hate to break it to you but your opening statement has no relevance to this at all. It's actually about as relevant as someone complaining to AOL or Yahoo about the spam e-mails and IMs they get and the need to "opt out" by locking down their e-mail boxes and IMs to buddies only.

Now THERE is an idea! anyone want to script an auto-decline system that looks up all of your friends and puts them in an exempt list?

Now ... why hasn't anyone thought of that before now?

Yes. So?

Yes...but that does NOT mean that I opted into YOUR use of those functions.

It has all the relevance in the world. To be ethical, your game should require ALL players to sign up. Vampires AND victims. Why not offer a free trial version that could spread by viral marketing, like Tiny Empires did?

I haven't seen anyone object that their key was collected and they're part of some random dataset, but solely that they were enrolled as an active participant in a game they never expressed any kind of interest in. Those are two entirely unrelated things that have nothing to do with one another.

It matters not one bit that they have the technical means to acquire this information. It is not a question of if they can but if they should.

I don't think most people care if anyone has access to their key inworld so much as what they do with it. In this case they have deigned to create a policy where they are using the key to force people to be part of their game by default or take steps to opt out.

Just having someones key does not give you the right to do anything that is technically possible with it.

A good example of this is those profile picture displays you see where it detects nearby avatars and randomly changes the picture to the picture in their profile.
People who object to their profile picture being used this way can AR the owner of the profile picture object. This has been done in the past and LL has taken down those objects that did not get the permission of the avatar before displaying it. All you need to obtain someones profile picture is the avatar key.
Clearly technical ability does not give all rights to it's use.

Ahem: see my more recent posts and also remember that I'm not debating anything but the technical aspect.

I frankly don't care about the ethics of it: The ability is there and people are GOING to abuse it. Having a massive ethical debate over the uses of an AV Key is moot and frankly pointless to me.

Here's the current truth and fact: You're in the database. That's it. You're already there! Now, once more, you can act like a child or you can actually follow what has been suggested by myself or by other residents.

Ahem: see my more recent posts and also remember that I'm not debating anything but the technical aspect.

I frankly don't care about the ethics of it: The ability is there and people are GOING to abuse it. Having a massive ethical debate over the uses of an AV Key is moot and frankly pointless to me.

Here's the current truth and fact: You're in the database. That's it. You're already there! Now, once more, you can act like a child or you can actually follow what has been suggested by myself or by other residents.

Solar, I respect that you have an issue with LL and Avatar keys. But this isn't a thread about them or the technical side of the issue. This thread is about an RP game system that is very much misused and could have been done different to prevent this from ever being an issue.

I'd recommend starting a thread about avatar keys and get a discussion going on it. I'd be willing to participate, except that my answer is going to be the same, "I don't care, as long as I'm able to AR the spam and LL is willing to ban the offender." Which they are, really.

Firstly I want to apologise to the creators of Bloodlines. My post yesterday was a rant bourne out of frustration at the levels of abuse I've been getting lately, extreme over tiredness (it was 2am after a very long rl day), and just plain ole grumpiness at the whole darn vampire thing.

I want to thank, in particular, Lyle Maeterlinck who was only to happy to spend time answering all my questions, and clearing my frazzled mind, and even gave me a garlic necklace.

The necklace (as previously stated in this post) removes you from the Bloodlines games database and will show a 'do not disturb' message to any vampys checking your name against the list - via their scanner.

The necklace is actually a pretty cool design (lol- well it matches my current outfit!), but you don't have to wear it all the time. You wear it and click the garlic. It is simply a way for the system to access the database, and once you click the Activate button, it will remove your name from it, and then you can remove the necklace if you wish.

<url>http://www.slbloodlines.com/faq<url> answers a lot - and I am ashamed to say I didn't read it before I ranted! *lowers head in shame*

Potions do NOT have to be bought by anyone, other than those wanting to play the game.

Unfortunately it seems that there are players who have not fully read all the rules, or have been mis-informed about the whole thing.

I must say - having read the website, and talked to one of the creators, while I have no desire to play - I must admit...the whole thing is a very clever idea. I only wish I'd thought of it and had the knowledge to create it, as I'm sure it has been profitable for them!

I am now going to go about my SL life happily - and learn not to get so riled up next time....I hope! Lol!

Just because you don't care about anything but the technical aspects of this does not mean those who do are acting like children. If you were really only interested in the technical aspects you would have left the discussion at the point it moved to the real issue which is the social and ethical implications.
Instead you stay and call people who disagree with you as acting "like a child".
My sugestions is to leave the discussion to those who are interested in more than the technical aspects if they are not to your liking.

Sorry but: No.

My suggestion is to stop acting like someone the schoolyard bully has been picking on and actually do something constructive instead of whining to your friends and family about it.

That is how the ethical discussion has been coming off.

If you are not interested in the technical aspect of this, then you wouldn't be responding to my posts now would you?

As I just told Raudf ... I'll continue to push the technical part of this as it IS a technical issue: NOT an ethical one as the 'ethics' part of it has already been shown that such a system may not be ethically sound. There is thus no further need to discuss the ethics side.

Sorry but: No.

My suggestion is to stop acting like someone the schoolyard bully has been picking on and actually do something constructive instead of whining to your friends and family about it.

That is how the ethical discussion has been coming off.

If you are not interested in the technical aspect of this, then you wouldn't be responding to my posts now would you?

As I just told Raudf ... I'll continue to push the technical part of this as it IS a technical issue: NOT an ethical one as the 'ethics' part of it has already been shown that such a system may not be ethically sound. There is thus no further need to discuss the ethics side.