"reasonable expectation of privacy"

be my guest.
let me know the progress level on it as well.

OK, let's get this straight, are you a creep or are you a smartass? You can't keep flipflopping on that, you flipflopping flipflopper.
When you seemed to be asking a serious question, people gave you serious answers.

im a "creepy-smartass" lol


i did get some serious answers, but most of the answers were "im gunna report u" & "youre a duchebag" & etc

Like I said, "Public opinion is that you're creepy."

perhaps.
the SL "public" may think so, but then again, i think its "creepy" that a male can be and play the part of a "female" in SL.
the RL public doesnt know me and as result, i can tell you i am certainly a different "individual" in RL as opposed to SL, but thats for the publlic to know if i choose to do so, which, i choose not to do as of now.

I agree, same as setting up a relay prim (ie rebroadcasting public chat) doesn't matter if it is voice, or text, the same reasonable expectation of privacy should be there


or does the OP think that voice = 0 privacy and text = some privacy??

(after all they think that it would not be similar situations)

and I also agree, creepy, but I mentioned that previously.

*waves to the alt trolls, nice to see you, amazing how they come out in specific situations*

*grins*

so it is only in SL that you are listening to this chat from another location? it is not in your RL, when you are not logged into SL

how can you separate being creepy for doing this, because it is SL, when in fact you are doing it RL, and not even logged into SL.
huh?

whats the difference between an object relaying general chat and general voice relaying chat ?
you couldnt possibly figure out which object has it, only a linden could as they can view the script.
on the other hand, you couldnt possibly figure out who, in the active speakers list is relaying the general voice chat, only vivox can.
so, no, neither has a reasonable expectancy of privacy.
see the difference yet ?

Both are creepy.

Oh, that's not a "difference".

i can "separate" being 'creepy", because people here feel the need to call me creepy, im not "creepy" in RL and i feel there is nothing "creepy" about what is being done here.
there are other things on SL that are much more "creepy" besides this.
hey, what about the old 46Mhz cordless phones ?
when you bought the phone, did they notfiy you of a "reasonable expectation of privacy" ?

its funny how everyone here is against this, but the voice chat that commonly takes place in Ahern is usually garbage voice chat in the first place, so why concern yourself with whether its relayed and published over the internet ?

As you say, it's all about the expectation of privacy.

And of course the fact that you can do it at Ahern means you can do it anywhere.

Even for sims you don't have access to.

this is true, but i am positive the intention is not to interecept personal/private communications on any sim, only public general voice on linden welcome area sims.

I'm still positive it's creepy.

Linden labs doesn't need any reason to ban someone. Its in the TOS. They can get rid of you if they feel like it. You don't have a right to be here.

Your arguing like a teenager who has been caught doing something they knew they weren't suppose to be doing and you've drug a lot of people into your little trolling fun.

Basics are this....

If people are talking on a sim then they are having a conversation. If your remotely monitoring those conversations you are in violation of the TOS's community standards. Its cut and dry.

Play the word game all you'd like but you are already aware that your wrong. I hope a banning is permanent. Obviously you see no ethical or moral obligation to a TOS you agreed to when joining.

And that TOS would also cover voice in SL. There's no argument that justifies anything your trying to say, or that makes it right. You should be banned for good for just being a general troll and trying to exploit certain features of the client that weren't intended to be exploited. I'll mention again that remotely monitoring a conversation is against the TOS and the community standards. And if your not in that sim and your listening in from a "remote" or different location then your in violation.

You don't need to comment to this post because I'm not going to read any further of your banter. I'd suggest in the future instead of trying to act intelligent about something you found as a "hack" in game just realize that a lot of people could easily do the same thing. They choose not to because they don't have a need to spy on others, break the TOS, and respect others privacy.

Privacy would be the opposite of eavesdropping in this case.

If I go to the mall and I see two old ladies sitting and discussing life at a cafe table I don't just sit there and listen to them. I also don't put a listening device next to them and walk away. I also don't use a remote ear device to hear them from a distance. Why perhaps? Cause im not a pervert who gets some kind of arousal off of being a conversation voyeur. I also don't do it because to me there is an unwritten rule in life about being an eavesdropper, or a spy, or being nosey. Most don't have to be told this but apparently you didn't learn this growing up..

In SL there does happen to be a little written rule. But I've already covered that more than once here. I'm sure you'll ramble on for a few more pages as you stroke your....... ummm... ego.

the thing is, remote monitoring of chats are against the tos, me thinks they need to update that to include voice (they need to update a lot of stuff it seems)

this post tells me (along with many others) that you are indeed the one doing the remote listening.

Not sure why you are now playing it like you are not the one doing it.

*shrug*

it is not the fact that it is ahern, it is the fact that you could essentially do it anywhere, to anyone, without them knowing.

wow, coming from a well respected SL member.
you should be ashamed of yourself.
i do not believe you even bothered to read this entire thread from top to bottom and/or even research the subject and facts before you posted.
sounds to me like you are pissed off that i made this discovery and chose to publicize and discuss it rather than sit, sulk and complain like a baby over your recent banning on "XStreet" /327/c0/307745/1.html
so, to go on and say i am arguing like a "teenager" is really stupid after reading your thread.
really, to go on and accuse me of being a "general troll" when i am simply defending my posts with replies is insubordinate.
furthermore, accusing me of operating/providing/hacking the public voice stream is also irrelevant since there is no solid proof or facts to back that statement up.
what you and everyone else here accuse me of, is purely circumstantial and that proves one solid thing to me, that in SL, you are "guilty until proven innocent".
btw, i wont be purchasing anymore of your products nor will i refer them to anyone from this point on.
anyone who believes they can run a stable business environment in a virtual world without any type of loss, deserves what they get in the end.

Other than your own statement, you mean:



Somehow you keep overlooking that.

read it carefully, like a lawyer would read it.
analyze it.
than come up with your correct conclusion.

It's inexact metaphor but lets try this.

You and a pal are in a public square leaning up against a wall near a corner and having a conversation. There is somebody just around the corner that you can't see and don't know is there but they are listening to your conversation.

Now go to SL, you are in a sim essentially doing the same thing, having a chat in public with somebody in a public place and you are not using the given tools to have a private chat.

It may be creepy to listen to other people's conversation but beyond that I don't see any moral, ethical, or even legal for that matter, issues with listening to a conversation that is made in what is essentially a public setting in a form that is publicly available. If you want privacy then you have the tools to have a private voice chat, if you don't want to use those tools then it's your choice but you give up that expectation of privacy. Unless there's something that I haven't read LL's documentation on voice pretty much says as such.

The very fact that you don't see anything wrong with what you are doing makes you creepy.Another smokescreen.

Since you so obviously made up your mind about the issue and don't have any care about what anyone else thinks about it, as you have stated, then why did you even create this thread in the first place, unless you are just trolling or attention-seeking?

furthermore, if you and a friend are leaning up against the wall chatting in public and there is somebody around the corner who is listening and the both of you are unaware, there is also no way of knowing what this person is doing with your overheard chat.
folks, this is not illegal copyrighted music, this isnt even copyrighted material.
this is public general voice that anyone can hear.
there is no way of knowing what anyone else may be doing with what they hear.
besides the fact that if the conversation is taking place in the public and you expect a reasonable amount of privacy, simply look at the active speakers list and the both of you move away until no one else is in the list but the two of you.
voice is a 50 meter radius, thats that.
knowing there are plenty of other people in the list, and who wouldnt know when they see the "dots" over agents avatars or hear other people talking or even a simple observation of the active speakers list, anyone with half a brain knows its not private and would know not to expect a reasonable expectation of privacy in the first place.
agents use text public general chat more than voice, its the first step to realizing this reality within SL when you first join SL.
i think its safe to say that 99% of those who join SL have been on some other form of public chat prior, its safe to say they realize the expectancy of privacy in public chat is NULL