Still banned from xstreetsl

Im still banned from xstreetsl. Seems completely ridiculous since its a "service" of SL and I've been an active merchant in Second Life for almost three years building a variety of different things. Now since I can't participate in a "new" service that plans on integrating its way further into SL I'm not only loosing ground, but my business is about to go under. Not because of my product line, and not because of the quality of work. Its due to the fact that Linden Labs is steering customers away from the way I use to advertise to their new "service" of XstreetSL.

This is a load of crap linden labs and frankly its a fitting scenario to someone who has sat and created objects, scripting devices, prefabs, and a variety of other things for entertainment for your customers. Great so you get everyones items laid out in game for people to enjoy and those who have created them for you get screwed. If it werent for the content creators making products for your customers you wouldn't be in business.

So thanks and a healthy flip of my finger to you linden labs. You responded like a bunch of idiots to my support tickets about the subject and have completely lied in the original blog about getting back to people about this. Go ahead and pick through the rest of the items in my inventory to give to your customers. You may as well .. I certainly am not going to be able to compete in a market thats fully integrated with xstreet and your search in game.

Thanks for three years of crappy service followed up by retarded decisions, oh and thanks for never getting back to me on this issue that effects me in real life.

BTW I was banned from SLX from a regular member of SL because they didn't happen to agree with my comments in the forums. Stupid reason for being exhiled from Second Life I'd say.

If you don't like my comments here oh well. Can't say I can loose anything by bringing up the topic here. My business is already screwed. I've written you politely, I've tried talking to you in other ways.. My partner even was banned and called LL. They don't even write in the forums and don't sell products on xstreetSL.

Create an alt, transfer your items accross to them. Set up Xstreet SL account.

Job done

I have heard rumors that a lot of people were banned from XStreetSL simply for voicing a point of view in the forums that differed from that of the (at that time) powers that be. But some of them were banned for 'misbehavior' in one form or another as well. Would there be a way for LL to ever determine which are which without going through on a case by case basis?

Doing a blanket 'start over' might be good I suppose but it will also let some people back in that probably shouldn't be.

So, let them all back in and see who misbehaves. Then toss the rascals out. It's not fair to continue a ban on people now that there is no other off-world outlet for them to advertise in.

Loki, LL is not exactly renowned for speedy and equitable resolution of disputes. Don't hold your breath for that one.

It really may be best if you transfer over your inventory to an alt and start afresh with that one.

Good luck!

if you are banned from the merchant area are you band from their forums as well?
I'm just curious if they are connected in that way...
i know some can be banned from SL but still are able to come in these forums.

I could have very easily have sent my items to an alt. And I very well could have also continued to write in the forums under an alt. I however have stuck with what xstreetsl or SLX's TOS which was to not circumvent a ban by using an alt.

I know I could have very easily have done that. But one thing I can say for myself is I'm not a rule bender. I haven't scammed people in SL, I haven't manipulated people into purchasing things, or lied or used alts to gain in my business.

I see no reason to change those types of ethics I hold true because of a very bad decision that continues to effect many good creators.

Altho this doesn't really effect LL at all. They are under the impression there will always be new and creative people joining. So really all in all it doesn't matter about one or two merchants who happened to be mistreated. Forget the fact some spent years creating day after day. Now its all pretty much has to be scrapped.

I could switch it all over to an alt, but my products are a bit complicated, with objects inside objects and scripted and such. All would need full permed, then repermed in order to put in a magic box. Then of course I could always be banned again under the slx tos for circumventing a ban. Not to mention the same admin is there. Besides why do all that work on top of building for three years when I shouldn't have to.

Lame LL very Lame of You. You all at linden labs should be ashamed of yourselves.

Loki, your OP is not very effective if it was intended to convince anyone to reinstate you at XStreet. If anything it will probably convince them that they made the right decision.

I'm not saying it was.

What did you do to get banned? I see some of your last posts there were an argument with one of the moderators, but I did not see any comments by you that would have gotten most people banned. So I assume there was more to it.

By the way I doubt your being banned from XStreet is the reason for your business going under, the economy in SL has been steadily declining. My business has also been declining and I'm still a merchant at XStreet.

If anything I blame the use of bots and campers to game the search system. Legitimate businesses who do not game the system have a hard time being found in the search engine.

My average sales were relatively consistent in the time I was on SLX. So it was in fact a decent amount that contributed to my overall income. And the reason for my OP and its tone is because I've gone over it more than politely several times. And its been ignored. And of course its just what the SLX staff would like to see. I frankly don't give a rats what it sounds like, its not like they're going to amazingly realize they aren't allowing people to fairly compete or anything. The day that business online starts to line up with business and law in RL is the day all creators rights will start to be upheld a bit more. Until they get some antitrust and fair competitor lawyers to start fighting things like this in virtual worlds it will be the creators and members a like who end up paying the price.

I was banned. In nutshell because..

1. I was banned from the forums because I was griefed repeatedly by an individual who wrote on my items discussions and attacked me in game. He would start posts about me, or contribute in posts braggin about griefing me in game. I reported it to staff when one of the Admin locked the thread blaming me for the attack. I was then banned from the forums because I reported the admin to support.

2. I was then banned from the merchant area because I wrote on someones item discussion> Someone had changed the name of their product line but it was basically the same thing. But fixed. The old version is what I had that was no longer supported and the creator said he couldn't help me with it. but said I could purchase another one. The TOS that came with his product stated that he would fix any problems or refund the money if he couldn't. So ... he had an item discussion on the new product and someone asked what about his old customers and he responded in a way that wasn't the same as when he responded to me in game. So I merely pointed that out and asked a couple questions. He in turn violated the TOS by quoting a psuedo conversation we supposedly had in game. With me using all sort of expletives. He then went on to say I was a terrible customer and a liar etc. I reported the postings he made about me since it was a violation of the TOS. I was banned because they said I committed slander, which I know is verbal, but apparently SLX staff doesn't know this.

So basically the underlying factors to my banning and the icing on the cake was me reporting two people who were in violation of SLX's and SL's Terms of Service.

They said in the end was because of my numerous actions in the past. I asked them to state which actions as I've only been warned twice on my comments in the forums.

My partners account was banned at the same time. All she ever did was shopped. She might have had two items for sale she made.

I was told by the owner of the site at the time that the situation leading to my banning on the forums was handled improperly and should have been handled better. In other words I was correct. The admin should have handled the greifer differently.

But in the end the owner said he would back his staff in any decision they made and that was it.

Loki. The only realistic way to do business in SL, and it's attachments like XSSL, is to take it while it's there because LL is shithole of a company that simply won't deal with their customers as they ought to. They are happy being a law unto themselves and they don't give a damn about their customers. That's not to say that there aren't good people there. All but one of the Lindens with whom I have had any dealings have been excellent. It's the way the company is run that's bad.

I can see only two options:-

1. Organise a campaign, similar to the hippos campaign, and plug the message everywhere you can. I don't know that it'd work though. The hippos campaign was a novelty thing. Bots are different, and look how long it's taken for anything to happen about those - and it still hasn't happened after all the shouting everywhere that's gone on for a *very* long time.

2. Live with what is, and then call it a day when they shit on you once too often.

Has nothing to do with bending any rules. The private individuals that made SLX's terms of service no longer control SLX; therefore, their TOS has now been superceded by LL's TOS, and LL hasn't banned you from anything have they?

My sympathies to you btw... But hows about getting someone to host your items on SLX on your behalf... I'm sure they'd settle for a small percentage - just make sure it's someone you trust. That way you've not broken the TOS - you've just got an appointed reseller.

biggest headache is LL now has a ban list from SLX based on personal vendettas and reasons (including some that banned their competitors )

There are legit bans included... but to be honest LL would be better off to take the core systems... update and change them... and start fresh

Thats brilliant, really. And completely within the TOS. How is it that I still see someone getting banned out of it though.

SLX/XstreetSL was NOTORIOUS for banning members -without warning- from the site based on posts made in the forums.

It is my #1 reason for never posting there except to say "When does Paypal go through?".

Ban happy folks over there.

It is rather asinine that LL will not remove the bans in place there and start everyone from square 1 all over again - clean slate for all.

I believe then that LL should just blanket forgive everyone, because some people have been banned unfairly. But how can anything be done about it?

All bans should be lifted and if you get yourself banned again it should be for a serious reason and a serious reason should lead to an inworld ban too.

I fully agree. My account has always been in good standing inside the walls of SL. Which is how I think it should stand with ALL of Second Lifes services now offered.

Not only that but my partner was a premier paying member of Second Life and downgraded because Linden Labs refused to lift her ban at SLX stating that she would have to contact support at xstreetsl. Well first off she was banned with no explaination or email she just can't log in after I was banned.... Second SLX staff doesn't answer any of her emails. Shes since downgraded her account and has considered just playing W.O.W. which is much much less expensive in the long run to enjoy LOL.

Something occurred to me today. It seems to me that LL intend to highly integrate XStreets into SL itself in various ways. It may be that they wish to finish this work completely before doing anything with bans. Once it is finished and you are using your SL account for accessing XStreets, your balance is your SL balance etc that there will be no need to lifts bans as such and those who previously were banned from XStreets/SLX will once again gain access due to the fact their SL account is not banned.
I doubt LL would outline this grand plan to the masses just yet and so it is possible they are just keeping the status quo until they bring their plans to fruition.

Admittedly that you can get a forum ban without a SL ban, and so the bans may remain even after all that but maybe they wish to deal with the whole reenabling access thing after the changes have settled down.

This.

I thought that bug was fixed where, when you joined two parcels, the small one's settings could wind up overriding the big one's settings.

hmmm it is - at least I have been doing a lot of joining and subdividing recently and not encountered it.

at first I was like, how off topic is that? Then I realized, it was dead on