"reasonable expectation of privacy"

i was originally going to use Waterhead, but i decided the conversations were more interesting and sparkly in ahern.

With WoW we used to have a channel set up so people could come to our team speak..then we had the guild area ..
i mean you could be anywhere in WoW..not even on the same realm and be talking to people in another..
If the sim owner is fine with it i wouldn't see it being a problem really..
it just sounds like popping from channel to channel like any voice chat to me..
not sure why people would think it works different with voice in SL..
people had to know it was less secure..any time you take a step closer to RL it gets a little harder to to keep it all about SL..

I cannot believe people are getting so crazy over this subject, Please people this is SL , Do you honestly think there is ANY privacy on this game?? Others can see you, hear you and copy, record any type of conversations, even record video.Picture someone in their room, video recording their monitor with second life open, with the sound on, then taking that info and posting it on youtube, Did you know I did that?I doubt it.If you need privacy talk on the phone, go over to that persons house.If that isn't good then talk on AIM or MSN.
If you start to bring in Real life laws into a virtual game then you have spent too much of your time on SL and cannot seperate real life from your second one.These laws are set for real life people in real life situations. Have you heard of the woman who wanted a divorce from her real life husband because he cheated on her in SL? Or how about the people who took someone else's build or script and resold it, I believe they tried to sue in real life, Does anyone know what happened in that suitation?I can't seem to find any more info on that matter.Also if you were in the park with tons of people, they are recording their children playing, taking pictures etc.. then they take those photos or recorded video and post it , or even better how about my video surveillance camera that i record outside of my home,and take that feed and broadcast it, would you know? I doubt that. Remember there is no such privacy in this world unless you are in your home even then who knows who's recording you, possibly your neighbour? Or if I sit in one of those coffee shops and show everyone in there whats happening.I don't have all this knowledge about streaming etc.. but I know there isn't any privacy in this game, and if you think there is then you are ignorant.

what about folks like me that marry in RL the one we met and fell in love with in SL

oh and the sex gen guy went to court and won

also try telling anche that it is just SL

or heck even the multitude of folks who used to have casinos and had to shut them down due to RL laws, or folks who are haressed because they are a kid in this game, doing nothing wrong, but RL laws put them in a bad light, or maybe the folks who lost a lot of RL money in a bank scheme in this not so real world...


like it or not, SL/RL have intermingled in a lot of ways

I shall repeat myself again, this is a virtual world, not a real life one, If one chooses to bring his/her own real life money into it , then it is their ignorance that is to blame. And as far as the gambling, LL obviously seen something wrong there and it is why it was banned.
As for " what about folks like me that marry in RL the one we met and fell in love with in SL "
This could be no different than any other dating service with the exception of virtual AV's.
Please get over your ignorance and see it as it is, a radio station that is broadcasting live chat, Just like in real life.Look up any web cam from around the world as watch and hear the chatter on the streets below.
You must feel very important now.

WOW!! Just WOW

not once did I say it was legal or not
what I voiced was an opinion, nothing more
not based on facts or legalities, just pure opinion
and in my opinion it is creepy, immoral and strange
(but that is just an opinion, as I said previously, I have no ideas on the laws in regards to this specifically)

goodness, before you start throwing out insults, such as calling someone ignorant, and the snide "bet you feel important now" try reading their posts first.

What exactly was that anyway? Trying to belittle me, with a snide, "bet you feel important now" comment. Is your life that sad you need to try to make others feel badly about themselves?

for the record, I think anyone who records and/or broadcasts public chat just for the sake of "listening" is strange, or has ulterior motives. (and if someone is doing it just to listen to it, why broadcast it on a website?)
(I am not aware of any radio station that simply broadcasts general public chatter, other than background noise at an event, etc, and even then, the patrons will be fully aware that the radio station is there) and street cams, well they are not hidden.

Oh, and by the way, I do feel important, after all, I am important to a lot of people in my life.
So thank you for pointing out the obvious

(and SL does cross RL a LOT) ask a lot of folks if it does, bet you will get a lot of unexpected answers

Do you think the friendships formed are fake or real, they can't be real, not in SL right? because it is not the real world, right?

can't have it both ways, it is either very much a part of the real world, thus making it real, or it is fake, and make believe, leaving all the real stuff out, cuz it is not real...
Thank you and have a nice day

Anyone can exceed the speed limit but it's still illegal to do so.

Pep (and if you get caught you bear the consequences)

/me sniffs around. No posts in over a year, then coming out swinging full force. I smell an alt account.

probably... main likely got banned again for violating the rules

According to his profile, Ayla is a friend of his.

common enough with alts.

But he came onto the forums, discussed things he was at least warned about (ie violating the discussion of discipline actions)

He also was discussing doing things that are covered in the SL tos, outright saying he was doing them...

SL is covered by RL rules and laws

This thread. I approves it.

really ?
you know what they say about "assume"

and ?

FYI, Ayla is not an ALT.

ever hear of the term "lurker" ?

It puts the lotion in the basket.

Ok here is my 2L on this. Legal, illegal... I can't say. Wrong? Yes. If I look on my radar hud (which is 196M i believe) and no one is on there execpt for the people who I am talking to, then yes, I expect a reasonable amount of privacy. If there are others in range that can possibly hear? I go into private conference. As someone pointed out, a voice stream is a voice stream. If you can hack (yes, i used that word) the public voice stream, you can hack the private streams as well.

It shouldn't matter if we are talking about the color of the sky... rebroadcasting a conversation is not right without the people's permission. I have been on camera and in photos for newspapaers. Ever see the people in the background with the blurry face on tv? Yep you guessed it. They didn't approve. Don't agree to your photo in the paper yet you are in the background? Guess what! Blurry face again. Any form of reproducing your likeness must have your consent. Up to and including voice. And of course, this has nothing to do with being paid. Interviewed, being in the background of a pic or winning a radio contest... they all require consent. Why do you think radio stations have to ask for your consent to even play your voice on the air after you were on live. No consent? No voice being played at a later time.

You have yet to explain to any of us why you are doing this. Are you able to talk back to the people? I doubt it. Do they have any idea you are listening in? Don't think so. Wiretapping, spying, eavesdropping... call it what you will... but anyone who has been on that sim should look into their legal rights being violated. Again, not sure any were, but who knows right?

When I get in world tonight I will AR the OP and refer them to this thread. I have read EVERY post here and believe what he is doing is very wrong.

Unless I don't know what's going on here, there's not any hacking involved, you can use voice without being logged in because it's separate from SL. To join a private conference you need a password, so I wouldn't worry about that. Your voice account name is tied to your avatar name, so even if your avatar isn't logged in, you can see who's in voice by looking at the active speakers window. As far as the position in 3d space deciding whether your name appears, if you can listen from enough away that the client doesn't show your name, that would be a fixable problem with the client.

You are talking about using the voice service, right, not just listening to some stream without logging in to vivox?

what he is talking abouit doing is using the voice stream, putting it into Winamp, and listening in on conversations when he is not logged into SL or Vivox

"When I get in world tonight I will AR the OP and refer them to this thread. I have read EVERY post here and believe what he is doing is very wrong."

so who is this op you are ARing? If ist not Elitedata doing it then who is? And what will you AR? If the op is not the main person then who is? So you just take a wild guess and assume that its him? I think you better get more substantial evidence.

Makes me more glad than ever that I don't use voice.

Your alt shows up as a green dot on the map?

This is no different from setting up a relay prim to relay text chat out of SL or into another sim. If you're doing it without the knowledge of the people you're listening to, then whether it's legal or illegal, it's creepy.
Yeh, that's creepy too.
Public opinion is that you're creepy.

I would just like to note that anyone looking under the table can clearly see there is a microphone under the table, therefore a microphone under the table must be legal.

I must say there is a lot of creeps out here then, cause there is a lot of ppl listening to that link.........