Discuss New Forum Policy Here - Pt 2

/me wiggles antennae at Enabran

I've noticed a couple of people announce repeatedly (in this thread and elsewhere) that they don't use the "report bad post" button, while they complain that they've been mistreated by other posters and about inconsistent forum moderation. This goes with the theory that the Lindens only enforce the guidelines when someone hits the button, but with the odd implication that it's some sort of "tattling" or a low blow to use that button, as if it's some kind of sneaky, lowlife way to manipulate forums guideline enforcement.

If a griefer "bombs" an event, doesn't the event host send in an AR? If someone gets mugged irl, don't they call the cops? If someone gets a headache, do they refuse to take an aspirin, but continue to complain? Light a candle instead of cursing the darkness. The report button is a tool meant to be used. If someone doesn't avail themself of the reporting tools made available to all of us by LL, yet complains that LL didn't deal with the unreported situation, I'm afraid I don't have a lot of sympathy.

That's true, Kim, I have sent in a report to support a Bingo host once when this guy disrupted her event I was attending.

But - to me that's a tad different. I have a higher threshold for what people SAY. In this case, I am not tolerant about it at all. I don't believe in disclosing rl info (or rl info one thinks one has). But - like in the case of myself being called an alt - I still just don't use the report button. Doesn't make me any better than those who do; I'd just rather explain things and manage to persuade people than get them in trouble for what they say, if possible. Particularly in this case, where everybody knows perfectly well what's going on.

coco

Aye.

I've spent the last couple of off-topic pages recalling a line from "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly":
"If you're going to shoot, don't talk about it. Just shoot."

assuming that everyone sees things the same way is always a bad assumption. always.

Coco, if everyone's views as to what's going on coincided, there would be no discussion here.

Please use the tools provided. The tools you said you would use. Please stop implying that there is something wrong with responsibly reporting bad posts. Please stop implying that people can "lose their game" over a couple of reported posts.

As we have seen in played out in these forums over the past 9 or 10 months, it takes A LOT of nose thumbing at discipline for LL to even get to this point, no one has yet been banned in world for forums abuse, and one still gets the player review, even if LL ever did decide to ban an abusive poster in-world.

This thread is not about revealing gender. This thread is not about outing alts. This thread is about a new policy, whereby one can be sanctioned in-world for REPEATED, metaphoric flipping of the bird at LL's disciplinary measures.

It's funny. I've only used the report abuse button once (on the forums).

I dunno, I guess I never really thought it would do anything. I think I still feel that way. I still don't use it.

I don't think I've ever used it, and someone calling me a name would never make me feel inclined to do so. The only thing I'd consider reporting would be slander.

Bull, Nolan, this thread is about forum rules, and I'm merely pointing out that some people seem to think they don't apply to them.

As for not talking about shooting, just shoot - well, that sounds good. But I'm saving the big guns - the button! - for when I really need it, and hoping that I never do.

coco

P.S. It is tempting, though, to force the showdown right now, and report that attempted gender outing. Just to sort of test out the new system, if nothing else.

P.P.S. You might even say it is pretty doggone cheeky to metaphorically flip the bird at a TOS rule about outing rl information in a thread dedicated to discussing forum rules.

Heh, someone insulting me in public view needs no official retribution. They look like an ass in public.

That's usually punishment enough for me.

Enebran, I think with that post, and your one before it, you have pretty much perfectly explained my feelings about it, too.

coco

Not to belabor this any more, but... My understanding of the rule is that even though Prok had his RL gender revealed against his will, he confirmed that it was indeed his RL gender. Therefore it is now no longer a violation of the TOS to speak of it.

coco, your entire digression hinges on your assumption of my motives.

the content of my posts was firstly an appeal to LL to reconsider their intention of forum permabans and game permanbans one and the same. secondly it was to address the distinction between the discussion forums and the classified forums when enacting forum bans.

instead of focusing on those real issues, whereby my comments are infact explicitly in line with insuring certain privileges for well established forum griefers such as prokofy, you focus on a handful of pronouns and articles which are not infact even secret. rather, they have been established as accepted public knowledge/perception on this forum by none other than prokofy himself in response to someone else posting RL info on the forum as well as to the false allegations. regardless of the nature of these act, it is now a matter of public record. it is not even a gender outing.

stop talking about AR-ing me and just do it. unless your purpose is not discursive or idealogical at all but to foment public opinion with idle rhetoric and second hand pettiness.

You may think it's petty. I think it's symptomatic of all the problems on these forums. However, you are right that I shouldn't take issue with someone who is agreeing with me that tying forum behavior to game play is a bad idea.

coco

P.S. Did he now, Chip? I don't remember that.

While I had Prok on ignore throughout that particular messy incident, Prok (and possibly before) made some comments casting Prok'self in the feminine gender, yes.

In the original post that was made announcing that the person had found out the rl gender of the person in question. If the post had never been made, no one in the forum would have known the gender of the person in question.

(Sorry trying hard to to mention gender either way. It's not easy.)

Discuss New Forum Policy Here

Singular.

I am tired of your aggressive tone. I have tried my best to be civil with you and you just keep yelling and rejecting other people's viewpoints. I don't even know why you bother to debate. You obviously only believe what you think is right and piss on the rest of us. No wonder you feel like an outsider, you do it to yourself with this me against the world rhetoric.

So much for your "fear" of posting anymore in the general section, I guess that was just an attempt to instill fear in others of a non-existent controlling player force within SL.

This is where I get off the thread highjacking bus.

I told you, this thread is an exception - plus one in the ulrica thread. For all other things, I've noticed there really is pretty much something out there to fit whatever I want to talk about. It just means I have to start more threads myself.

coco

We've all heard it in English, but I don't think I've seen it in French. So I'm going to take a crack at it: Nourrissez pas les trolls.

Pourqois pas, ma cherie? Qui? Moi?

coquette

While Im still quite far behind in my reading on this subject, Buster sums up my feelings very precisely. This situation appears to me to have been orchestrated and even now there are all sorts of "reasonable" arguments being presented for why the rules should be changed again ... I guess having accomplished its purpose, the sword needs to be sheathed before someone gets cut.

I like the new rules, and think they should stand as they are. Perhaps with this sort of encouragement, it will be easier for people to take responsibility for their actions.

I know there will be all sorts of stout denials of any sort of cabal, disavowments of any orchestrated and concerted efforts, etc.

There is a quote that escapes me for the moment ... something about "the lady protesting too much."

At any rate, Im going back to reading now ... just wanted to thank you Buster for summing up my feelings so well.

Per the Community Standards:


This means that revealing any real life information which is not also publically posted in the First Life page of the Resident profile is a violation of the Community Standards.

Also, for further clarification and explanation of the forum policy, please go here.

Jeska, if the person is question has already made any of that information public on the forum but it's not in their profile does that remove the restriction or does it still hold?

And for discussion on the further clarification please go

Discuss - Clarification of New Policy Changes