Discuss New Forum Policy Here - Pt 2
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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06-20-2005 13:25
From: Cristiano Midnight All of this rhetoric about the forum mob coming for someone else now that one person has been silenced is getting really tiring. (that is not directed at you, Susie). It amazes me how little faith some people seem to have in the judgement of LL - they are apparently under the mind control of some nefarious group. Perhaps once we can get back to discussing ideas and improving SL instead of this endless cycle of recrimination and blame.
I need a turbo button on my mouse, all Nintendo style for abuse reporting! Keep up the purse jokes Ano, and I'll wind up owning a good portion of Mavericks! 
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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06-20-2005 13:28
From: pandastrong Fairplay I need a turbo button on my mouse, all Nintendo style for abuse reporting! Keep up the purse jokes Ano, and I'll wind up owning a good portion of Mavericks!  Bring it on, sister!
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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06-20-2005 13:31
From: Cristiano Midnight Bring it on, sister! Damn, I pulled a muscle in my arm hitting that Report Abuse button so fast. Outing my RL gender.. pfft. Um, I mean lying and junk. Yeah. Word.
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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
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06-20-2005 13:45
From: Jeska Linden Per the Community Standards: Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Lives. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums. This means that revealing any real life information which is not also publically posted in the First Life page of the Resident profile is a violation of the Community Standards. Also, for further clarification and explanation of the forum policy, please go here. What about when people make this infomation public via the media, so it is readily available to the entire world. Does this rule still apply?
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
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06-20-2005 13:51
From: Eboni Khan What about when people make this infomation public via the media, so it is readily available to the entire world. Does this rule still apply? Nah, then Linden Lab has to investigate every forum post, blog, webpage and newspaper in the civilized world. We're basically screwed if we use the wrong gender-specific pronoun, Eboni. That's the long and the short of it. Thus, we need to come up with a special non-gender-specific pronoun with which to refer to people in order to keep ourselves safe. I propose the word "ort." Example: "I like Eboni Khan! She's the neatest!" would be written as "I like Eboni Khan! Ort's the neatest!" or "That Enabran Templar is such a nice fellow. He just gave me a free robot!" would be written as "That Enabran Templar is such a nice resident. Ort just gave me a free robot!" Now, I know this seems both silly and weird, since those who have grown up using English have always referred to individuals with pronouns that easily indicate gender. However, it's probably the safest course, since referring to someone as "it" might be perceived (and reported) as a personal attack. Thoughts?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
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06-20-2005 13:52
From: pandastrong Fairplay Damn, I pulled a muscle in my arm hitting that Report Abuse button so fast. Outing my RL gender.. pfft.
Um, I mean lying and junk.
Yeah.
Word. Post reported you *&%$@# !!! 
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
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06-20-2005 14:01
That would only work if you used "ort" for every pronoun you ever used in all your posts about anybody. coco
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
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06-20-2005 14:04
From: Cocoanut Koala That would only work if you used "ort" for every pronoun you ever used in all your posts about anybody. coco I'm glad you understand the gravity of this undertaking.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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06-20-2005 14:05
From: Enabran Templar I'm glad you understand the gravity of this undertaking. Thank you for making me spit Mt. Dew out my nose.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
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06-20-2005 14:05
Ort Por Ylem? or Ort Rel? or Ort Sanct? Couldn't resist! 
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
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06-20-2005 14:07
VAS FLAM! Sorry.  No, Enabran is actually on to something. I mentioned it once before, but it got burried. What are we supposed to do, just not use pronouns?
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Cocoanut Koala
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06-20-2005 14:08
Well course I do, guys. I'm a writer, and I have been plagued for YEARS over the he/she business, and trying not to resort to the stuffy-sounding "one." Even worse is sentences that go something like, "Everybody who likes the idea can join if they want to." For writing on places like here, I just go ahead and say "if they want to." For professional writing, I turn cartwheels and stand on my head and get into yoga positions in order to write a natural-sounding sentence that makes the subject match the verb without saying "if he or she wants to." coco
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
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06-20-2005 14:36
From: Enabran Templar Thus, we need to come up with a special non-gender-specific pronoun with which to refer to people in order to keep ourselves safe. I propose the word "ort." Hmmm, I'd suggest something we're all already familiar with... "dude." If you're talking about someone it would be "That dude" and if you're speaking directly to them it would just be "dude." 
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
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06-20-2005 14:40
From: Enabran Templar I propose the word "ort." "Ort" means table scrap.. scrap of food.. small bits of leftovers after dinner. I think it fits.
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
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06-20-2005 15:05
From: Chip Midnight Hmmm, I'd suggest something we're all already familiar with... "dude." If you're talking about someone it would be "That dude" and if you're speaking directly to them it would just be "dude."  a southerner friend of mine explained to me that "dude" is offensive.
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
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06-20-2005 15:32
From: StoneSelf Karuna a southerner friend of mine explained to me that "dude" is offensive. Where as out here in the West, dude is completely cool. I'm not down with anyone, LL included, dictating how I'm suppose to talk, walk and conduct myself - by now I either get it or I don't. 
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
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06-20-2005 15:32
From: Jonquille Noir "Ort" means table scrap.. scrap of food.. small bits of leftovers after dinner. I think it fits. I don't understand why you think this fits as "a special non-gender-specific pronoun with which to refer to people". Could you explain, please?
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Jonquille Noir
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06-20-2005 15:43
From: Margaret Mfume I don't understand why you think this fits as "a special non-gender-specific pronoun with which to refer to people". Could you explain, please? Because we're all table scraps.
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Seth Kanahoe
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06-20-2005 15:48
Who ate the meal?
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
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06-20-2005 15:50
From: Jonquille Noir Because we're all table scraps. I can't say that I share your opinion of yourself and others but thanks for taking the time to explain your view.
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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
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06-20-2005 15:51
Ingsoc. By BB's big black mustache, blaze was right all along!
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
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06-20-2005 15:52
From: Margaret Mfume I can't say that I share your opinion of yourself and others but thanks for taking the time to explain your view. I know, some people see themselves as duck confit, but I don't take myself, or anyone else, that seriously. It was just a bit of humor. I should have added more smileys I guess.
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Seth Kanahoe
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06-20-2005 15:57
"Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!" Orts and dudes.... Ingsoc! By BB's big black bushy mustache, blaze was right!
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
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06-20-2005 16:07
We simply must do this ort business.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that in real life, I am a man. (I actually am a man in real life, but that's beside the point.)
My avatar in Second Life is also a man. He lacks breasts, has short hair and wears masculine clothing. He owns no special attachments to close the deal, but it's good enough.
If someone says, "Enabran Templar is a right bastard. He stole my roast beef sandwich!"
That person has "outed" my real life gender. Did they mean to? Maybe. Maybe they were going on my avatar appearance.
But the damage is done.
Ridiculous? Yes.
But there we have it.
Much safer to say ort. I did not realize "ort" meant anything. I just wanted something that was short and rolled off the tongue like "it."
To say "they" in place of he or she is a breach of language I cannot permit myself. If your linguistic compunctions are more lax than my own, then you may write accordingly.
I'm going with ort, folks. No turning back now.
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Jeska Linden
Administrator
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06-20-2005 16:07
This thread is getting a little derailed, let's try to stay on-topic. 
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