Discuss New Forum Policy Here - Pt 2

In the past week, I have made over 50 posts. This is more posts than I made in the previous month.

In the past week, there has been interesting conversation with, to my knowledge, minimum hassles.

No one has lied about me or belittled me in any way. I feel comfortable posting.

All in all, I think I like the new policy.

Dianne, do you think ARing someone inworld is also reminiscent of Kafka?

comparing themselves to my mother was just the most extreme example. there were plenty of references. the first was half a year ago of a comparision of how we are similar in that i often play a female avatar and she plays a male avatar - trangender av playing. diane don't insult my intelligence. i've had a long in world conversation relationship with your "this person." i know what i'm talking about.

this is not the focus of this thread. if you and coco want to keep hammering on this one start a new thread. you can title it - should jauani be permabanned from the forums and make it a poll. i will gladly participate.

I think we should just stop worrying about gender pronouns, so long as we don't claim they are accurate in RL.

If I've met someone in SL, I use the gender they appeared as last time I saw them. Failing that I guess from their name. Failing that I follow the forum consensus, failing that I guess, and expect to be corrected. I haven't used "it" yet. Wonder if one could be abuse reported for that? I don't really think "ort" will get wide acceptance

Just noticed this; missed the original post you referred to. Just teasing. I was amused by the irony of your smelling an alt. Fatal? I thought it was a natural phenomenon resulting from moving out of a sim and being involved with new projects. Losing touch with old neighbors, that is. I'm not dead; unless someone knows something about the food at the bbq here that I don't. Enjoy the summer solstice! Summertime and the living is easy...

I am not trying to insult you.

You are just coming across incredibly angry and mean and I am trying to understand why.

I have been civil I believe, you have been much less so.

sooo... nevermind. k?

Tell ya what. I will make an exception to my general policy, and the next time someone accuses me of being an alt, I will report that post.

If necessary, I will make the (obvious) case that an individual is trying to assert that I am irl some other than who I really am irl.

And we'll see if they say that's okay or not.

coco

So you are a negro person?

I was thinking that this part:

"... Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, ... beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. ... This means that revealing any real life information which is not also publically posted in the First Life page of the Resident profile is a violation of the Community Standards...."

covered it in that ones alt identity is definitely personal information that is not listed on the profile.

But if that is what LL meant, the usual legal phrase would likely be "including but not limited to," so perhaps you are right.

Technicaly the fact that LL does not specifically exclude other (non-listed) examples of what can be deemed "personal information" doesn't mean that ones alt identity is not in that category. Also it might be considered that the mere fact of having an alt is somethign that only the RL person knows about and therefore is "RL information."

Perhaps it turns on whether you think the alt is a extension of the virtual person, or a seperate identity for the original real person. Maybe I am confusing my two lives again.

If I were to step further out on the same limb, I would argue that the clear intent of the paragraph (IMO) is to put forward te idea that any information not included in that dialogue box is off limits for comment.

I assume, even though they do not mention it that this is moot if said information has already been discussed by the avatar themselves.

The Kafka reference referred to snitches. An AR in world is different of course.

For clarification:

I have only ever neg rated two people and one was a mistake that I retracted. The other one I would not have done if they had not run away when I tried to talk to them about the offence (they shot me and then ran away)

I have filed two AR's I think, one as a noob about some stupid ugly building or something (I had no idea about why or when someone should make one at the time) the other was about a person but made only after repeated insults, libel, and lots of other trashy stuff that went on for ages before I finaly filed it. I also gave them many opportunities to stop.

I dont believe in filing abuse reports for every little thing.
A simple wrestling match would settle things better, and be more fun.

I read Jauani's response more as restrained impatience than as incredible anger or meanness. Either way, it should be neither unexpected nor incomprehensible to any of us.

Much of Jauani's discussion with other posters on the subject has had to take the form of a defense. I hope I'm a compassionate enough reader to understand that, were it me, I would have long ago been filthy sick of having to continue explaining myself, even for simple fact-finding, after having already done so through the course of several forum pages.

I'm confident of Dianne's good intentions by her simple quest for facts on the subject, just as I see nothing angry and mean in Jauani's responses.
Still, any facts likely to come out on this incident are already amply documented in the pages immediately following Jauani's post on page 10 of this thread; including in-depth discussion of those facts, and an invitation from Jauani to file an abuse report for anyone so inclined. Those pages really should have ended the discussion for all of us.

In what way is an inworld AR different?

I'm sure I remember some official ruling that "outing", or even hypothesising about, other peoples alts is an offense. Which is why there is a long tradition here of doing it by innuendo, sleight of hand, or cryptic reference. Or by half-using the wrong name, and pretending it was a mistake, as Prok used to do.

It seemed to me that the only justification would be in the special circumstance where you had reason to believe that a banned person was back posting again, and beginning to repeat the ban-worthy behaviour, or to use the alt to deviously argue his case.

I think now that I was wrong, and that if the rule exists it must apply even in this special situation. The appropriate course of action would be to quietly point out this possibility to the moderator. After all, one could be wrong !

As for the actual reference to these issues in the rules, I think it is badly worded, and ambiguous. We could discuss that if you like.

I dunno, Ellie. I just always got my accusations straight up. Nobody bothered much with sleight-of-hand with me. Still don't.

coco

I am very pleased to see Linden Labs setting clear boundaries of accountability and modifying their processes to insure a better quality of discourse. As a corporate interest with a product offering, it is certainly their right to demand conformity to the standard of their choosing. I had taken about a month off to decide if this was a place/company I really wanted to spend money with... and, thanks to this change, that decision is now 'yes'.

Well done, Linden Labs.

Three is no way I want to be called "dude."

I am still not too much in favour of calling a mixed gender group of people "you guys" even though I use it all the time out of a lack of anythign else being available.

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I prefer "lewdies" or "sharps"

Example: "I was lubbilubbing with my sharp last night"

not a pronoun though, so what the hell am i talking about?

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While in the past Catherine and I have had our tantimount disallusionments and disagreements with one another this is once again a time when I am in total agreement with her.

Well phrased and worded Catherine.


With that said I think I will go back into my self imposed Hybernation from the forums and stay safely tucked away on my little corner of the world.


Sincerely, Shadow Weaver