An interesting bit of hypocrisy

We have the meeting log; can we get a full break-down (kneeling and begging our new government to release this data) on who attended the meeting?

Maybe it is a totally farfetched paranoid assumption, but ... somehow I am sure that during the course of a week Lindens have meetings with other residents and groups of residents, that are a lot more confidential than this.

"My group"! Cute If I never joined or left that group now, in what way would that change the meaning of what I am saying here?

Of course, its too late now I have accepted an invitation and now I guess I have outed myself as a member of that cabal.

Oh My! You are a rude, arrogant, and crass one aren't you!

While I haven't yet offered my comments on the transcript, I *can* read and understand what I am reading perfectly well. No need for you, (who are you anyway?), to explain anything to me. I'm quite capable myself, but thank you.

Interesting. I wonder how they will handle this. My guess is they will just have the officer quit and rejoin. Some democracy huh?

If not, those who disagree, should join the group and vote to recall. There are more of us than them.

Thank you for posting this Anne! And yes, I was very pleased to read Philip's comments in that discussion. Though it comes as no surprise to me that he feels that way. Unlike what *some* people have been trying to claim in the past about the Lindens and their FIC.

Believe me, it would leak out if other groups had special meetings with the Lindens, just as it has with this one. If you didn't belong to that group, I would have simply said "that group" versus "your group". Either way, it is still true that this group is currently enjoying a level of access to Linden Lab board members that is not available to other groups. If there are other groups who have "secret" meetings with LL as well, I will be just as incensed about it. It still doesn't justify it.

I guess my only real question after reading this whole thread would be... If there were no favoritism amoungst the Lindens... How do I get Phil to attend my group meeting??

I want to know why Anshe and co are so silent today. They slighted everyone in SL by saying they are not on an equal footing with themselves. I think they should come here and justify that.

This is posted BC (Before Cereal).

Kudos to Editorial Hare for posting this log.

Dear Anshe: (edited) for wanting an NDA of anything relating to the entirety of the SL population. You should be ashamed, stripped of all your land, and sent back to the fucking escort groups.

Dear prok: (edited) for trying to play FIC.

Dear Zeppi: I thought you quit, now you want to play cloak-and-dagger? (edited)

Dear Huns: Kudos for stumbling upon it and helping to strangle this 800-lb gorilla in its bed.

Dead Lindens: Kudos for not agreeing to do anything relating to secrecy and cloak and dagger bullshit. You did the right thing.

Of course, I can't join this group, because a recall election is going on. A good way of keeping members out..

Besides, this group has been found out. Now they'll make a super secret organization so no one else can see except them. Open, indeed.


Nevertheless, if anyone gets any information they want posted about this stupid fucking group, IM it to me and I'll post it under my own good reputation.

(edited)

I'll be back in 6 hours. I'll be just as angry then, Im sure.

LF

I go to bed, and when I wake up there's an eleven page thread about that Hypocracy Post. Haven't read the whole thread yet, and I'm not sure I need to.

I can't say I'm surprised, but really, you people shouldn't make me laugh so hard before my first cup of coffee.

Oldest manager's response in the world:

A bunch of people with cute notions come to you in their seriousness with their ideas; you want to be polite and open without committing yourself to anything; so you say "Write it up for me so we can discuss it."
If there's anything worthwhile to it, great. If not, no harm done and the people with cute notions can go home feeling they're making their contribution to society.

Indeedy, and the 'damned if I do and damned if ya don't' aspect does make me giggle

OK OK

Enough of the conspiracy.

1st off, I was the one who requested and held the vote for press to leave for the FIRST MEETING. Just because this was bound to happen, and we wanted to establish a "diplomatic" relationship 1st. If everyone wanted to join to "hang out with Philip," what exactly do you think we could accomplish?

Editorial (or your chicken sh*t alts, perhaps you want to guess before you are banned)

Which leads me to this

2nd off, say goodbye to Editorial because he posted a chat log of MINE in which I gave no permission, against TOS.

I have a background in media, and am a hearty advocate of freedom of the press, but there was a reason I didn't want the media there and you are looking at it. It was a 4/3 vote to ask the media to leave, but we didn't do it because we HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.

The way it was presented on this post, as some kind of conspiracy, is the EXACT reason I personally thought it should be private. I hope you stroked yourself good Editorial because you are strictly tabloid, not a real journalist. Go get a job on the Weekly World News, your muckraking skills should fit in perfect between the Bat Baby and the Aliens Shaking hands with Bush.

Enjoy your sensationalist fame while you are here, and I ask the Lindens to IP trace the account as they were quoted without permission too. All persons who logged in under this account should be held accountable, and I don't need a secret "Illuminati" meeting to ask for fair repercussions.

I can't speak for the group as a whole because everything we have done we voted for. If you want in, its open enrollment, please join and vote, but you MUST attend meetings, as this is not a "Party with the Lindens" group. Read the notecard, there is nothing that any resident should fear on our agenda (unless your association with a Linden gives you an unfair advantage against ANY other resident). I would actually ask any of you to point out anything on our agenda that causes you any concern.

How I personally got involved was attending the town hall with Philip where the group was announced prior to the town hall and everyone who had a problem with the news from Philip was encouraged to join.

If you weren't there, obviously such a radical shift in the landscape doesn't matter enough for you to arrive early and secure a place on the town hall sims, then you have only your own indifference to blame. It was yours for the taking if you gave 2 sh*ts and made it a point to attend a town hall with the creator of this world you love, you could have been a part of this too.

As for the reasons Philip took time to meet with people concerned enough to group over this, you can $peculate all you want as there is a significant amount of cash involved with other members of the group, but Philip knows there is a great concern about the currency exchange situation. It forever alters the landscape in SL and if you don't realize that, then why chime in here?

A couple facts about me. I am not a land baron. My partner and I own about 15,000 meters. We don't sell. We are consumers. You can visit our Dancehall under construction the Mars Hotel in Pierce, but not our home due to peeping toms ( /120/cb/43895/2.html ).

Our dancehall is attached to a "Hippie Amusement Park." We have tons of rides. We don't make anything there, BTW, everything except for the coaster ride is free to enjoy. The coaster costs L$10 to ride which goes to the coaster maker, not me. We allow this because he spent almost a month developing it for us, it's the least he could do and the cash we paid him really wasn't worth the time he put into it. It is also worth the L$10 a ride and if you catch me there, I'll be more than happy to give you a ride on it myself for free.

I also have never used GOM. Paypal has blacklisted me for selling adult products with it, so I use IGE. I have no vested interest in it, but I was outraged that the mission changed enough that resident creations would be compromised by it. I neither produce content, nor profit from land sales or rentals. If I get L$10 in dwell I consider it a good day.

My "stake" in Sl is I am a full time resident and I bought into the "Your World" argument.

Please read my comments on the GOM sitch at /20/b5/59309/1.html and /20/8d/59490/1.html . Also note that Philip themed his blog on my "Jump the Shark" analogy at http://secondlife.blogs.com/philip/2005/08/jumping_the_sha.html . I sent Philip a leather jacket, I wore a shark on my back at the town hall in protest, and I was less than forgiving in my posts.

I could hardly be accused of being buddy buddy with Philip at this point.

If you thought I talked too much now, sit back I have a lot more to say.

And Prok, save yourself your breath, I KNOW I don't speak for the group I have said that. This slime wants to make it appear I am working to keep your wallet fat, then he proves his credentials just by that. Save the lecture for your kids, I don't want to hear it.

Let's get started shall we:



Happened by? Really now?

Obviously you were part of this. You heard things from private group IMs including the vote that I STARTED about whether the press should be involved at this stage. Right off the bat you have shot your credibility, lying because your alt was a spy WHO OPENLY JOINED THE GROUP. What you think you were spying on is anyones guess, but the inconstancy of your story is glaring right about now.



Despite having over 30 people in the group post the town hall, only 5 others besides my girlfriend and I attended the 1st post hall meeting (maybe because it was at Proks house, believe me if you didn't show up because of Prok I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY). What can I say it was open and less than 10 people showed up, and Anshe was more organized than
myself or anyone else, (and like we were gonna vote Prok to speak for any of us. His rhetoric often invalidates any points he might actually have, but this isn't a rant about Prok and his soapbox), so we asked Anshe to speak for all of us. While the words Anshe chose to use I DO have issues with, she basically did what the group requested. I will get back to my interpretation of Anshe's word later, but short story I blame it on language issues.

If you sat in the 2 hour meeting, with the participants there, you would have asked Anshe to speak for you as well. You can believe me or not, I have no affiliation with Anshe besides this group, and to be honest, she has been accused of things I find distasteful. I know only 1 side of those stories, and frankly they were none of my business, so holding that against her would be less than fair when nominating the person who could communicate most effectively with Philip.

I might add, that Anshe was the one who posted the invite to the group members for the pre-meeting in the voting tab of the group, again, open to anyone who cared enough to attempt to do something, so I stand by my vote in favor of having Anshe be the spokesperson.



Bad Karma? Go down the bulletpoint list that was posted without permission. What part of our "becloaked" ideals has bad Karma? Please, use quotes.

I'm sorry if TSO somehow burned you. Never been there. I'm sorry you weren't part of the group if you had something to say, but for every finger you point there are 4 pointing right back at you. You didn't make it your business to be on the sim for the town hall, you didn't start your own group, you didn't care enough about the GOM situation to do anything except possibly troll the forums, so don't try to discredit those of us who did.

Your apathy does not invalidate our actions. Place the blame for your uninvolvement where it belongs.



This is where I think Anshe's language issues come into play. Resident and tourist are different, no? A tourist pays there $10 for life (or stays for 6 days) and has not "stake" in SL. More on "Stake" later.

The notecard is our position, the reason we didn't hand it over to the Lindens is because we didn't want our requests blown off with preprepared answers (well, thanks to Editorial, thats done).

Our reasons for being there were directly related to GOM, but notice we didn't even approach the GOM sitch as they were prepared for that.

We secured a regular dialog by asking what the requirements were to obtain it. You all know now, join the group, have your say and vote with us, but logistically, we can't all have face time with Philip.

Therefore we have to elect representatives to meet with him stating what the group of in world resident who care enough to do something other than piss and moan on the forums wants to accomplish. More on this point later, as it deserves it, because Taco is stirring some sh*t again (see /120/3f/30108/1.html ).

Or maybe you all forgot he was capable of "social engineering"

and for the record, I think Taco's exploits are hilarious at starting a controversy where none existed. but his entering the fray now now, I guess I don't like so much because he is manipulating something that some of us take seriously to get his jollies. More on this later.



Thank you. NO ONE has been denied entry as far as I know. We have an agenda, yes, and it is effects you all yes. You have 3 choices. Join us, oppose us, or don't care.

Exorcise your damn choice instead of condemning those of use who care enough about the future of SL that we invest our time (the most precious commodity of all) into something we believe in. Whether we do it for self interest or the interest of the group as a whole, I guess I can't speak for anyone but myself.

But since I don't create content, I don't land baron, and I don't make a dime off SL it's fairly easy to see where I sit. Others I cannot speak for and will not guess.



Philip said it should not be exclusive. I agree with him. The group is open. You know about it. Join and participate. Be a part of something. Make sure your voice is heard. No one is excluded, but the goal of our 1st meeting was to focus, so we we could be the united voice to speak for the majority.

The notecard spells out our agenda. If you don't agree, come to the meetings and speak up. If we did something that favors us and excludes others, please say it and correct it.

We were given an opportunity and we jumped at it. If you aren't the type to jump when opportunity knocks, don't blame us because we are. BE a part of it. Make it your own. We did this because we felt compelled to do it, not to exclude people.

Philip gave us clear ground rules on what it would take to continue this dialog. His ground rules include EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO CARES ENOUGH TO BE A PART OF IT.

I agree with the ground rules he set up and in fact think the groups agenda clearly qualifies that. Join up, then you won't feel like an outsider on the forums reading "news" from a tabloid who hates Prok

I don't know any REAL Prok fans, but I am on the same side as him on certain things. If you oppose him on personality alone, you are not alone. But if per chance the guy is actually right, would you kill an opportunity to improve relations and communications because Prok is part of something that facilitates that?

And the group was announced, but in the last few days things have been happening at a rapid pace, and there is only a certain amount of manpower to promote it. You know now, so if you don't take part, you have only yourself to blame.



Like I have said before, if people do things for self preservation that is what they do.

I have no money to lose from the GOM thing. Check my status and finances and what I own and do here. I won't lose a dime no matter who LL co-opts ideas from. I joined on principle. If you had any other principles besides hating Prok and/or Anshe, you would join as well. You and me out can outvote Prok if hes wrong, and I am not a huge Prok fan, but I agree with with the nuts and bolts of our discussions/debates, even if his arrogant attitude makes me want to disagree with him on spite alone.

We attended the meeting because

a) we put ourselves in the position to do so

b) we were in the right place at the right time to be a part of something

Philip called this the bright spot of his week. We are doing something that others do nothing but whine and complain on the forums about. If you take offense at that statement look in the mirror. This was something you could have done to if you were dedicated and organized enough to get it done.

Start up something that opposes what we represent. Encourage favoritism and non transparency if you think we are wrong. If thats how you feel and you care enough to invest time, energy and organization to do so, great more power to you.

If you don't care enough, don't armchair criticize those of us who do and make progress.

If you agree with the points, join up and make what we want to accomplish stronger.

If you just want to bitch and criticize, understand YOU are the guy who says "yeah man Pink Floyd's new album isn't enough like Dark Side of the Moon Man."

You complain SOLELY on the basis that you can't do it yourself.

More on the definition of "stakeholders" later.



Good point!

If you don't want to be a part of it, who cares.

If you do, join up.

More on the "politico" thing later.



Just as I can't defend Anshe's position on stakeholders, I can't defend her asking for a NDA. Philip's response should ease your mind he will not give us anything he will not give the public, and I agree and support that position.

I think, if you look at it in context, Anshe was surprised at how easily Philip handed agreed to handing over the policies, and was just trying to let him know we wouldn't violate his trust if he did so.

That however is just a guess. But what Editorial failed to disclose was that most of us, Prok included, wouldn't be a party of a NDA.

Which brings up a good point, even his name is misleading. He says his name is Editorial which implies journalism which implies fairness and accuracy.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=editorial

n

1.) An article in a publication expressing the opinion of its editors or publishers.
2.) A commentary on television or radio expressing the opinion of the station or network.

adj.
1.) Of or relating to an editor or editing: an editorial position with a publishing company; an editorial policy prohibiting the use of unnamed sources.
2.) Of or resembling an editorial, especially in expressing an opinion: an editorial comment.

If you took the post of a guy an avatar named EDITORIAL to mean telling both sides of a story, shame on you.

Yeah You!

He printed some facts, but he sure framed it with his OPINION. Check the name of this topic. Is he reporting a fact, or stating an opinion?

You have your opinions too. Just because his opinion came first does not negate facts.



Good point, there is 1 comment from Anshe everyone is focusing on.

I have 10 things off the top of my head that Prok said I don't like. I can't mention them without violating TOS, but believe me, they exist.

To discredit everything we have accomplished and are trying to accomplish because Anshe said 1 thing which you don't agree with is silly, considering there is a language thing going on.

I don't happen to agree with things people have said in the group, thats why we have open membership and can vote.

Don't like what Anshe says, join up and vote her position down (although I hope you have good enough sense to vote on issues, not on who's saying them)

For example, I had a long stupid pointless argument with Prok for an hour, but when pressed, we stood on the same side of a particular issue.

Because someone I don't like is of the same position as I should I abandon the position?

C'mon now.



It wasn't hidden. Were you at the town hall? Should we have sent a

singing telegram to you to tell you? We were given an opportunity (a rare one) and we jumped at it. Should we be condemned because we didn't send out a prim invite with particles and a landmark to every single resident of SL?

Be realistic here.

90% of anything is just showing up.

Philip agreed with things we brought to his attention. Why do you think we were given a meeting? Look at the transcripts to the town hall and what lead up to it, and the forums regarding his announcement. He understands the great concern over the precedent, and he chose to face the consequences when confronted about the overall ramifications.

Would you be happier if he hid out and didn't address what he knows is a polarizing issue?

If you want to know the "real purpose" of this group, join and find out. Don't be a lazy do-nothing who demands everything spoon fed in bite size chunks so you understand it. It is open enrollment, you just need to be smart enough and give a damn enough to be where things happen. I explained how I found out about this group. If you were where I was, why weren't you in the group.

Were you at the town hall on the main sim?

Don't let YOUR indifference make me seem like a bad guy for giving a damn and going OUT OF MY WAY to be where things were happening. There was no secret, but there was no publicist either.

Which bothers you more, the fact we didn't go out of our way to inform you or the fact we made progress without the "benefit" of your whiny complainy forum noises?

And since you brought it up, care to explain what the "real problem" is you are alluding to? I though we had a good start, if you clue me in, maybe we can add it to the notecard after you get off your ass, join the group, and do something besides make whiny complaining noises when we don't send you a personal invite to initiate progress and change.

Pass the buck, you didn't do something so those of us who did suck right?

What do you do for a living that gives you this sense of entitlement without contributing anything?




Anshe was chosen because out of the 7 that bothered to show up, she was the most qualified. Maybe I would be better or my gf, but we have only been in world for a couple months, we lack the confidence to sit across from the CEO, so I would have declined even if asked.

There is NO WAY IN HELL I WOULD EVER LET PROK SPEAK FOR ME.

The other people present voted for Anshe. We were the only people present. If others would have shown, maybe the results of the spokesperson would have changed. Aside from some linguistic issues regarding stakeholders, I say Anshe certainly spoke for those of use who cared to attend.

What was requested by Philip, and we ALL agreed to was that it was open enrollment.

That means even you who read and criticize this. I may think you are a prick, but you are welcome to join and entitled to contribute. That was how this was set up, and that is how it shall stay. Philip even conditioned his own participation on open enrollment.

No one is lying or hiding things from you. Read the notecard, it is all about keeping information public. You have the opportunity, what you do with that opportunity is up to you at this point. Be a player or be a spectator, but a critic only criticizes because they cannot do themselves.

Anyone who was in the group was informed when and where the meetings were.

No one was chosen to attend because we were a small enough group to fit on a sim.

Logistically, next time we do this, everyone won't be able to attend, we will have to pick representatives, as the group will be too large to sit in 1 sim to "hang out with philip"

vote for and nominate the reps. Its OPEN ENROLLMENT



We took it upon ourselves to do something and Philip agreed we were off to the right start to getting something done.

Join us and elect who you want if you don't agree with the choices that were made.

And if you disagree with what was agreed upon in the notecard, please tell me. Right here in the forum. What part do you object to and why?

You don't have to , you could join the group vote.

But that requires more than 4 sentences in a forum. You think you can commit that much, or is that it? If that is all the "stake" you are willing to invest, then that is the extent of your participation.



Editorial isn't' as concerned with facts as with sensationalism He made his name before he gets what he gets for violating the TOS.

As far as the 2 you speak of, I most often disagree with 1 of them and am apathetic at best. We agree on a common cause.

Should I switch my opinion based on who agrees with me?



If could be financial or it could be Philip knows he had to answer for a decision he made.

It could be another thing, but when fate deals you a nice hand do you complain or seize the day?

Certainly Prok and Anshe have a lot of financial "stake" here, but I don't think personally they would bail on SL and kill the cash cow over GOM, do you?

That hand would be too high "stakes" of a hand for any of them to play,

don't you think?



Do you even know of the major issues behind why we want to know LLs internal policies?

Search the forums, a Linden DJed an inworld event and another modeled for a residents store.

We , as a group, feel that the last name Linden on an avatar is equivalent of a "Uniform" on a police officer. In other words they should be acting in an official capacity of the LL, not for 1 resident.

That equals a conflict of interest or an unfair advantage.

If they won't do it for everyone, why should they be allowed to do it for 1 or 2 select friends?

If you find fault with that logic please tell me why?

And if your answer is they should be able to enjoy SL too; we agree. But they should do so as a player without the benefit of a Linden last name, and their alt should not be associated with their Linden name at all. They should just be a regular player, NOT a Linden.

Explain yourself then, what is the problem with this?

Tell me what business encourages conflict of interest (besides national government).



Here Here, i agree.

the problem is typing faster than him. He is a fast dood. I can out talk and out logic about anyone but his speed on the keys often boggles my mind.

If you can do it, and out logic him, and shut him up, ill give you $L500.

I haven't seen it done yet, he gets off too much on the argument himself to ever shut up and give an inch.

We don't represent Prok and he doesn't represent us. Can I make it any more clear without violating the open enrollment thing?



1) Metaverse Justice Watch
2) Look it up
3) Not sure myself, but i agree with the "Mission Statement" found in the notecard
4) Look it up lazy ass



Those of us who don't represent the barons have EQUAL say as the barons.

Something to think about before some of you cast stones, no?



Confirmed

The town hall limits questions to one per resident, thereby eliminating follow ups.

The forum we requested and received allowed us follow up through a representative. Aside from the comments Anshe made that may seem elitist, she DID speak for the group and we not only approved but applauded her on speaking the agenda and focusing on what the group requested.

As successful as Anshe is, she was basically put in a very intimidating position of speaking to the CEO of a major company (not to mention what he has accomplished through the real player platform) and I am sure she was nervous. I can't really excuse the choice of words she used except to think about what she was trying to say that language made difficult.

Do you think she said consumer in a bad way? If so i can publish the chat transcript where i asked if I was invited because I was a consumer not producer and she assured me it was for anyone, not just the elite.

Should I be condemned because I agree with the land barons on certain issues (which you would know about if you were a part of it)?

If she come on this forum and grants permission for me to do so I will.

But with out her doing so I will be violating the same TOS rules as Editorial did printing this, which I won't do because I value being here and am not hiding. This is me. I have 1 alt. You can find it if you are a good detective, but I am not gonna just volunteer it. I love Sl, and thats my "stake" in this.

I ask anshe to not only give her permission to publish what she said when I asked if I Was invited as a mere consumer, but anything else she said in the 2 meetings I attended prior to the philip meeting and the 1 meeting post. I think some of you would be surprised.

I did record every log, but with out the permission of every resident who attended and spoke, i cannot publish it. If I could do so, as Editorial has felt the need to do violating the TOS, I'm sure you wouldn't be as suspicious as some of you apparently are now.

To be honest forthright and fair, I haven't read the forum post you mentioned, but I'm sure you will all see I have more than enough on my plate answering these paranoid baseless allegations ATM. I hope to read it soon and comment.



Did you attend the town hall with Philip?

If the answer is no, what the hell did you expect, a personal invitation on a monogrammed doily?



Wasn't fabricated.

However I never stated or implied I was better than you.

If something was said by Anshe I apologize, and although I can't speak for her, if you read the transcripts of the meetings and group IMs we had you would know Anshe doesn't look down on you either.

I can't post those without permission however, I hope you understand that and that you take me at my word, but if you don't, there's nothing I will ever post that will change your mind.

The goal of the group was not to control others at all. Read the notecard, we want transparency meaning equality for all.

At no time did we ask for anything more than other residents could get. I don't know the mechanism that got the meeting approved, but would you turn it down if you had a chance to do what we did?

I didn't' think so.

Just look t what our goals were and what we actually did when given the opportunity. Ignore the bylines and "editorialism" if you can long enough to see what actually happened. Some of the more reasonable only had an issue with a perceived elitism or personalities, not what we tried to accomplish and what we stated we wanted to accomplish.

I only hope that spreads faster than the conspiracy theory. It's more fun to play Rosswell aliens, but look at what was published.

Who actually has issues with our mission and how we tried to forward that mission (besides those who think they are entitled to a personalized invite on a doily simply because they exist)?



Can I buy you spoon Taco, because you surely Enjoy Stirring the sh*t

He Imed me and told me he was Illuminati

nice

But without burrito boy i wouldn't even know about this post, so i guess

i have to thank his nacho cheesiness

seen any good upskirts lately Taco?

or did you all forget about that?



Yeah, triviawhen was the last time I was on the leaderboard?



You seem to know everything, answer this smart guy:

How does that effect me, a consumer?



But Con$piracy theorie$ are, huh?

Again, where i have i stood on the leaderboard?



(edited) is insane, I really can't defend him

Now please quote me where I claimed FIC anything?

Go Ahead, the key word is QUOTE!

Do you even know what that means "throwing crap at the wall and see what sticks" boy?



You are more invested than me. I pay $25 a month plus my yearly membership. Sure wish it was important enough for you to join us. Sorry you didn't see it as important as I did, otherwise I am sure you would have been there at the town hall and meetings after!


I not only initiated the vote, but I voted to remove the press for the very reasons that buzzards like you would take 1 statement from an unorganized group who was granted 1 meeting with Philip which we impressed enough on him, who created this world, to parlay into more meetings to further an agenda that I outright am calling you out to find fault with. You have the contents of the notecard find fault with it oh high and mighty one.

My GF Sansarya voted the "press" stay, but I am sure you will tear her up too because she doesn't agree with "I spend 2 mins making a forum post therefore I AM" mentality.

You can be a part or cry until your mamma burps you that you weren't at the first meeting, but nothing is stopping you from joining and being part of the next.

Or would that sweep the high horse right out from under you?



Great!

Welcome!


Let's be honest boy. Your friend TACO asked ME, and he asked when he could hang out with the Lindens too.

Or is all this transparency applied to anyone else but you and yours?

Join yourself, hack, and vote for a Representative.

But if your friend Taco is who you vote for, ask yourself, would you rather accomplish the goals set in the notecard or get an upskirt of Jill?



Odd you haven't joined, critic.

Those who criticize, can't.

Face it and go crying to mamma.



2 in a row.

You are vying with Prok for the "I love to hear myself speak" award.



Thank you, a good natured joke in the middle of all this hate.

We could use that in the group to lighten things up when Prok pulls out his soapbox



Which do you enjoy more, reading your own words or smelling your own farts?




Didn't "one of us" request the documentation added to the library?

And why weren't YOU at the town hall?

I'm tired of you lazy people shifting the blame onto us who try to do something

Promote? A group less then a week old needs to worry about promotions?

Explain that please.

And as far as your capacity, shoot for the stars you may reach it. Aim for the crapper and I bet you do make that too.

DO you want to reach the stars or the crapper?

Explain why you weren't at the town hall and THEN bitch about who gets promoted.

I have transcripts for the 2 meetings after town hall and before the meeting with Philip, and the 1 meeting after. I have no problem releasing transcripts, but I cannot do so unless others allow it.

There was considerable debate over stake. Nothing was resolved, but stake equaling investment of time, money, or energy seems to be a factor we all agree on

I have no idea what Jill meant by "in good standing," but if you show up once a month, I think you should have less stake then if you are here 3 hours or more a day. Others in the group have different ideas of stake, but my guess is that they wont be sharing it with the bottomfeeders

And let me clarify what I mean by bottomfeeders:

Those who can't tell what an editorial is. Those who attack a group because of personal feelings of 1 or 2 of its members. Those who don't care enough to do anything but armchair quarterback on the forums. Those that take 1 statement that was made with a language barrier and crucify the efforts and hard work of a whole group. Those who can't be bothered to join, but can complain all day long on the forums. Those who can't, but who criticize those who can.

Those who are more interested in smelling thier own farts then giving time for facts, as opposed to editorials

Like I said boy, you will look like the fool as the facts come out.

Join if you want, do something instead of whining and complaining on your armchair.

And I am only one voice who was there. Plenty more made this a success, and I thank them all, even that butt wipe Prok who i disagree with AT LEAST 90% of the time, and Anshe, language issues aside. Aside from her linguistics on the one single solitary statement that you all "do nothings" harp on like you found the holy grail, she spoke what we asked honestly and straightforward.

If you bothered to make SL important to you, you would have known about the group. You couldn't be bothered to make town hall so you cry about those of us who could and acted instead of whining on the forums. We did something, succeeded, and even Philip was impressed by the the snowball we started

You are faced with 2 choices now, whiners:

1) Sit here and whine on the forums

2) Do something

I know it is much harder to actually do and accomplish something, but does that justify your whining if you can't be bothered to try. We may not have gotten the meeting and it would have been a setback, but the fact is our organization, our methods, and our ability to put aside differences for a greater good allowed us to accomplish something

And this isn't the end. Philip gave us the ground rules to continue this dialog, and we intend to keep it. Don't like it, join. Won't join, Then STFU because obviously you don't care enough to do anything but smell you own farts.

For those of you who waited to here what I had to say, I really truly thank you and will now answer any questions you might have that I am allowed to answer vie the TOS.

To those who couldn't wait, since you couldn't give me the courtesy to hear my side, I can't give you the courtesy to indulge your games

Think about that. I asked you to let me answer when Taco informed me about this thread, and i had pages to answer. If you couldn't spare me the time to answer, prrofread and spellcheck, why should I spare you the time?

One good fart deserves another.

And this group does not want to be an in world government

Philip it seems, and I have interst

If you want a meeting with Philip, help him realize his dream by cultivating an in world government

it seems thats what he said in the group

I would certainly be willing to help and know of other who would as well, as it is beyong the current group

just make sure it has open enrollment and you allow for those of us who disagree with you

it just seems really crappy how hard some of us worked on maiking this a win/win for everyone, how much infighting, how much BS from Prok I had to put up with, only to have the vultures on the forums make up thier mind on the universe and creationism based on 1 editorial.

I'm not jumping on the LL band wagon just yet, as they agree to this bullshit secret meeting to begin with. I find that shit distrubing.

What I find hypocritical is that Profoky Neva was in attendance doing the very thing he so blantaly accused the "FIC" of doing. By his own definition, this appears to be very FICish: secret meeting held with Lindens to pursue special favors for a select group. He has gained notority over the past 6 months by running his mouth long and hard--- and that now is what qualifys him to have the "Linden ear", oh yes and he is a stake holder.

I wonder if me and my friends held a meeting to discuss our concerns with the metaverse --- the platform --- if any Lindens would show up? Im a stake holder. However, I guess my kung fu is not as good as you kung fu?

Maybe your righ Pham, maybe Phillip himself is spending hours throughout the week showing up at the mere requests of his peasants having private meetings.

Think Ill schedule one tonight with Phillip and Linden staff to discuss the merits of my Anal Bleaching table . . . its be soooo overlooked.

No shit Kris, jebus wtf.

I have to say I am suprized by the list of officers to say the least.

Certainly zygot, just as soon as you quote... key word is QUOTE here, boy, where I attributed that to you... child... are we done yet... infant? I'd like to see your QUOTE there 'glint in the milkmans eye'..

My comment is toward Prokofy himself and her innane ramblings of the shadowy 'FIC' which she is now trying to start...

So why not go lick that crappy wall clean fool?

Siggy.


PS. your such an eloquent spokesperson for this group.. please continue to post, frequently and often

I hear ya Tang! jebus crips

Apologies for my language. You did a shit job. A really shit job. The fact you had a group, or any meetings with the Lindens, was a surprise to everyone. That fact alone makes this whole group thing a win for nobody but yourselves.

I just want to know how much tier I have to buy to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom

Wow bad English, rude responses and general bad taste. Nice spokesman. Speaks volumes for this group indeed.

hehe.. Where is Ulrika when you need her!

I swear I feel like the past year did not happen. To think, people were afraid of little ole Neualtenburg back in the day.

Neualtenburg citizens very much have a stake in SL. And our government experiment and artisit guild are just two things we do to see what works in an online world. But the group as a whole would NEVER push our project and our government practices on the rest of SL. Only those who want to be governed by our system, and on our land, are the ones that have to deal with Neualtenburg.

A group like the MJW should not only be voluntary to join, it would also need for SL residents to voluntary allow this group to speak for us. And I don't think that is going to happen with *every* SL resident. I know for a fact there are people in that group that don't even think like me, much less would I let them speak for me.

I'm not saying I disagree with all the requests of the group. But personally, we each as individuals already have the ears of the Lindens, and we have all the tools we need to speak with them. Open town hall meetings with residents and Lindens are great. Specific topics thought of by residents to talk about, great too! But I don't think there needs to be a specific group for this to happen. At least not a group that could have the potiential to affect SL as whole.

FUCK gov't in SL.

LOLOLOL. And thats right about where I stopped reading. The thread title is so apt

Excellent, welcome back Kris, I missed you