An interesting bit of hypocrisy

See, theres the very thing... a working relationship with the citizenry means being open with the citizens.. to want transparency from the lindens, but not announcing the formation of a group that will represent the populous.. doesn't that strike you as a little odd?

It's not your fault, far from it, you seem to be joining this with noble reasons.. but seeing the who's who, and even the admission of the 'spokesperson' that not everyone will be represented equally..that the world is divided by thier own ideals into who they think has a 'stake' in SL - and you see where people will raise an eyebrow.

Now when you see things like the motion for people who actually make things in SL not to be made welcome - passed or no.. that telehubs be compensated - etc. and you start to think 'these people don't have MY interests in mind at all!'

Again - a group that wishes to represent the masses should be selected by the masses - there are so many different ways to alert people of things that may interest them, that the total LACK of announcements raises yet another red flag.

The theory of keeping the citizens away so you don't foul the works while representing the citizens, to me, makes as much sense as being told that tellers at the bank are being taken away and replaced with automated phone messages and ATM's for 'my convenience'.

It's not being paranoid - I just smell the odor of fish. Honestly I think Huns' theories are pretty much on the money..

Siggy.

Addendum - I'll wager 5k L$ that if I were to join, and actually be accepted there is NO WAY IN HELL I'd get into one of the meetings... also - as one of the people who has no need or desire to BE represented by another person (my money is just as green as theirs) - my joining would seem a lil strange... my own hypocrasy does have bounds

Ok, I convene the first meeting of ATTIC - Alternative To The Inner Circles on a date to be decided. Probably when I've cleared out the spider webs and tat, which could be next year.

I guess I am the "type" of person they would want to keep out of that meeting because of my views. Thank you so much for posting this, I cannot honestly say I am shocked, just once again sickened by these types of actions again. Any group that wants to hide anything from the press makes me questions anything they are doing, period.

Cat

I agree with everything Siggy said. These people thought they were better than everyone else, and that they should have their own Bilderberg style group to talk in secret (Anshe: I support non disclosure agreements for this group) with the Lindens and get what they want for their SecondLife.

They must be taught, Second Life is for all. It's not for the few who think they are the best.

And another thing, if any group does get formed to represent the people, it should be formed following elections, not by anyone assuming they are the right person for the job.

Absolutly Siggy! I could not agree more.

I guess just in general i have a very exstreame Mis trust of any group that uses Justice Watch as a title!
Just brings to mind the Democratic Peoples Front or soem such "peoples" Party!

Who is watching the watchers?

THE WATCHMEN!

I agree with this in full, and that is why I smell fish baking in the sun as well.

I believe the proper term for the actions of a group appointing themselves representative of an entire society without a democratic elective process is "coup".

So there has been a new species of fish discovered, here after dubbed the "Coupfish". I believe it's a close relative of the "Putschfisch"

There is a point to that!
Didn't Sansary say that the announcement was at the town hall meeting? Maybe it might have been better (and more clever PR-wise) to announce it at the forums, but that was hardly "working in secret".

I aggree. I don't see a chance that any group formed like this (or any other open group in SL) can be called "representative". But I still think some of the issues raised are valid and some of the suggestions make sense.

What strikes me as a little odd is the fact that no one seems to discuss these points - only who is making the suggestions.

And did I not counter that transcripts of said logs are stripped of all erroneous chat - and so are repeaters?

And if it were, why was there no forum follow up, no event called... I'm sorry but there are so many and varied ways to announce something in SL that not using them strikes me as fishy... plain and simple.

Also - using 'representative' only because it is the language that the 'spokesperson' herself uses.. although she herself points out that this will not be true representation.

As to why these aren't being discussed -- thats the easy one.. they're not 'dramaful' enough

OMG, my eyes are still bleeding.

Justice?, my sore ass.

Trolls, land barons, money traders, misfits and hypocrites make up 80% this group.

This group stinks of self interest. And WTF is LL doing by entertaining this sham?



I'd rather have Charles Manson babysit my kids, at least I know what his motives are.

ALL YOUR CONCERNS ARE BELONG TO US! ... FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

I wonder about all this land business sometimes. It can seem like a complicated way to participate in Second Life, a bit messy and maybe a bit hard to scale massively. I wonder what kinds of systems other virtual spaces are working on. One thing is for sure, its hard to prop up land prices for resellers when more people are selling than buying.

I agree about the almost Pythonesque humor in the identities of some of the participants in this meeting

And if you read my other thread about this topic you'll see that this is exactly what I say, and I even provide example propositions.


If by "has its place" you mean the kind of protection that was hinted at during the MJW meeting, then HELL NO, and it makes me feel VERY NAUSEOUS that you think I would ! And even if you mean this in a broader sense I'd have to disagree.


Yes, what if you like it ? Well, then, stay there, please ! But you're never going to drag me, kicking and screaming, anywhere, under the guise of this being "for the better good". Here we have a group of people posing as representatives of a particular class of residents, who have the admitted goal of influencing LL policies. This goal affects everyone in SL, and guess what, that includes me. Problem is I'm not gonna agree in silence and inaction.

I make new group. We stroke company and have happy ending. You like?

Seriously just shaking my head at this point wondering "wtf are they thinking here." How many bonehead moves will be made by the end of the week LL?

I have to agree with your motives statement, I like to know a persons motives upfront myself. So far I see a shitload of self interest going on and LL feeding into. Makes me wonder tho, do these ppl own so much of sl now that they can control LL?

Cat

Apparently

This is all really bad medicine. People with axes to grind, certainly don't represent me.

....and so government begins over the sleepy little grid of Second Life

Problem is didn't king philip say there was only one gov't and it was LL not so long ago? Apparently that has changed.

Sorry, I did not see this other thread. Forums are a huuuge world. I will have a look immediately.Please do Disaggree, I mean. I guess that even the officers in this group do not expect their ideas and suggestions to be accepted by the Lindens without discussion.

And I did not mention any hints (for protection or otherwise). But among the topics mentioned there was also
o Privacy
o Impartiality of Linden staff
o Transparent law enforcement
o ...
And the first issue to be discussed was - if I remember it right - the second one in the list. There are a lot of people and groups trying to influence LL policies. In different directions, of course. On some days I think the forums are full of them

Take away the idea of this group representing "all residents" (which I still think was not claimed), what makes their approach to "influencing Lindens" so much different?

Someone's issued a recall vote over the founder.

People speaking out in the public square (the forums) IS NOT analagous to a group getting to have a private meeting at LL headquarters with Philip and Robin. Groups may try to influence things, but your group is the ONLY group that enjoys this special status and relationship with Linden Lab.

Don't EVEN go there.

Any group that wants to "rule Second Life" and doesn't include Ulrika Zugszwang is a joke - even though right now she's off doing something far more politically credible....

I don't doubt that many members of the... um... Metaverse Justice... Superfriends League... Decoder Ring Fan Club... whatever, thought they were participating in a genuine effort to bring a responsible, democratic perspective to SL issues of order and rule. Unfortunately they are have become victims of the shadowy Popular Front of Silly Walks and Slimey Talk, the organization-within-the-organization run by such T. Boone Pickens/Donald Trump wannabes as Anshe Chung and "on the third day, He rose again" Prokofy Neva. This event - and the PR gaffes therein - just shows that having a talent for virtual business within an imaginary world neither trains nor entitles people to speak for others in a participatory system of "justice".

But all (richly deserved) kidding aside, the idea is good, IMO. A real organization, truly open and egalitarian, free of the nonsensical idea of class-based entitlement, sincerely engaging with the Lindens on matters of "world policy". That was Philip Linden's final challenge to the Metaverse Justice... whatever, by the way.

Actually, I think they should become the voice of SL.

I do. Really.

It would be hysterical watching each of them backstab each other and the cries of the "used and abused."

And... in a darker irony... Watching newbies to SL who are creative and wanting to buy/sell land call The Justice League the new FIC.

For the love of all things humorous... Let it happen!

I object to your use of the word "is" in the above sentence. Speculation and paranoia about MJL are about the only things I trust to keep it from working to hurt people in SL, aside from not getting enough momentum to even get started. It is not that I think all of the founders are inherently self-serving. It is just that, so far, I have seen SOME of them comport themselves in ways that bear the appearance of being very self-serving.

Vague allusions were made to compensating telehub mall landowners if telehubs cease to be the only Linden-provided long distance transportation. By itself, such an idea would probably not be accepted. But wrap it up with a bunch of other stuff and maybe it can at least get a foot in the door, yes?

You must know that actually publishing such an offer would make your presence at the next meeting meaningless. There would be no way to independently verify that it wasn't a "token."