An interesting bit of hypocrisy

Here is what I find appauling

Anshe lost a recall, the members spoke and she was voted out. And she is back in as an officer. If she wants to be a figure head for the SL population, I find this disturbing.

See thread title ^

The FIC has been replaced by the MJW, and the content creator vs. consumer debate has become the stakeholder vs. tourist debate. Progress!

I agree with the points of the agenda. And that is all I HAVE to agree with.

As for your two last questions, the answer would be no, and no.

If Anshe expanded on her choice of words, though, I doubt she would be paraphrasing them the way you have.

coco

oh that's nice.. so it's just these elitist "stakeholders" and their friends? wow.. that's very fair and offers a very equal opportunity to take part ^_^

If I roll my eyes any harder, I might lose my contacts. Bedazzle being hired for a job based upon their talent was a debacle and an incident, but a group of self-serving people trying to make a power grab is a glimmer of hope?

I would say, however, that the prognosis is that the MJW is FUCked.

I would say the FIC hasn't been replaced by the MJW. I'd say the FIC has MET the MJW, and doesn't like it.

That, however, is my own opinion - I don't speak for everyone in the group.

coco

Well, he is taking the group by the reigns over on his blog. Have you read it? I think you should if you haven't. Then you might understand where people are getting the notion that Prokofy is running the group. He sure is making it sound like that over there...

So, it's nearly 1:30 pm PST . This came around 9:30. Posted consistently since.

Must be nice to skip work to play a game.

Please don't let me interrupt you. My imaginary friend is getting hungry, so I must sign off now.

I'm gonna be heading to work soon, so I'm gonna try and sum up a few thoughts before it's buried in Coco and Nolan going back and forth

Go back and look over the intial post... read the transcript very carefully, then stop and think about it for a while.

I'll touch on a few points you should note and think about:

1. The overall theme of 'justice' and doing whats best for SL.
2. The spokespersons views on how much say YOU (as in 90% of the population) should have in whats best.

3. That the Lindens wish a community involvement.. I read that nothing will be done without some kind of community agreement.

Some points that came out later:

Media types are NOT welcome.. How a 'vote' of 4/3 is possible with 30 people in attendance... guess not everyone is allowed to vote!

You can join the group - but only 'representatives' will be allowed to the next meeting.

At least one of the founders doesn't want anyone that makes content to join.

That without community support - the Lindens aint gonna take it that seriously.

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So my guess is that in silence it's rather easy for a group to say 'We speak for SL!'... because noone is voicing something to the contrary..

If you support this group and want to join and lobby - be my guest.. thats your right!

BUT

If like me you don't think this group speaks for you - then SPEAK UP! Personally I think the forums are like 1% of the people in SL - and this group is more like .1%
So go in world - tell your buddies about it, spread the word - no need to be biased, just tell it as it happened! If they wanna join, let em..

As for the rest of you - the tourists/players/what-have-you... that DON'T - SPEAK UP! Do the SL equivilent of "Network" - run to your windows and shout out "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

Post your views, shit IM a Linden! However you do it, make your voice heard...

Because it's very hard to 'represent' the masses if the masses are screaming 'hell no, we won't go!'

Ultimately - its YOU, the tourist/player/farties - the ones that they think DON'T have a stake in SL that have the biggest voice.. without your patronage, the 'big playahs' wouldn't have squat... YOU have power, not them! You are the cogs that make the big machine go round..

Siggy.

A. I work at home.

B. I am working on the finances of three families (all of them mine; I'm stuck with it, sigh).

C. I've been to the bank and back since this started.

D. I should get back to work on the finances.

coco

That's not what the group is about, Siggy.

coco

Yeah and apparently if your Prokofy's goodtime TSO buddy of yore, you are automatically appointed as an officer! What's that you say? Coco is a content creator? Pish-Posh!

Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.

Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.

Apparently, Coco has wings!

well said Siggy!

No Coco, but they *are* his goals for *this* group you are a part of. When Ulrika stated her personal opinions about issues going on in SL, Prok went nuts claiming that she spoke for all of Neualtenburg. And he didn't let up for months. However, when Ulrika spoke of her ideas, she spoke as an individual. She did not say "the goal of Neualtenburg is to do.. xxx.. xxx. xx..". She only spoke of *her* own ideas that had nothing at all to do with our group.

But that is *exactly* what Prok is doing with the MJW. He is talking about his agenda for this group. What he wants this group to do. How he plans to influence this group and what he hopes will happen.

The founders and officers of your group have agendas *for this group*. They want those agendas known. But this group is *not* representative of SL as a whole. It is *not* interested in truely helping *all* in the SL world. Your group has only its own self interests in mind.

Fine. Those who do not agree with the group, can respond and counter it. And that is just what we are doing. And I personally will be boycotting anything by this group or its members until I know for a fact that they are *not* being taken more seriously than any individual in SL.

I will always stand up for individual rights. I thought at one time you did so as well. If that is still true, then you may reconsider the group you have joined.

Is there something wrong with me being an officer?

coco

Oh, I thought you were a journalist, sorry if got the wrong idea.

Pendari, Prok doesn't have any more power than I do. Or any other member, really. Prok gets really involved in things, but that doesn't mean it's all his. Ditto for Anshe.

Read the points of the agenda. Disagree with them or not. If you agree with us, join us and be a part of the voices for fairness and equal opportunity in SL.

This group in no way threatens anyone's individual rights. Quite the contrary.

coco

Thank you for your interest, Weedy. I am a writer, on annual contract as a contributing editor of a magazine, and as such, I work from home, on my own schedule, and have done so all my adult life. Today is the day (or is SUPPOSED to be the day) for financial bookkeeping.

coco

You claim that it in no way threatens anyone's individual rights, when how can it not? these "stakeholders" are claiming they're more important than us "casual players" and should have more of a say.. claiming to represent us "casual players" when they only represent themselves.... how does that not threaten my individual rights?

The irony of all of this is unbelievably rich. Prokofy screamed for months about Neualtenberg, and how dangerous they were, that Ulrika's little socialist experiment was a threat to freedom in SL. Never mind that they were just governing each other, in their own project, in their own group. Here, you have a group of people, several with very clear, self protecting agendas, trying to influence Linden policy. Which is more dangerous? A group of people living out mock government in a private sim, or a group trying to lobby tthe Lindens to change SL based upon their views, never mind they are not representative of even close to a majority.

The group's bias is its undoing - the needs of the wealthy player far outstrip the common person, as stated by both Prokofy and Anshe - two principal officers in your group. Whatever your goals are for the group, they are being undermined by having such obvious agendas being promoted by other officers.

Cocoanuts,

Your and Prok preached so strongly against Lindens meeting and talking with people in IRC, which conversation is so often just boring technical talk about running Second Life on Linux and other topics along those lines.

How can you be so against that, and not against a meeting where the largest land holder is head spokeswoman for a small group of people who claim to be for what the majority of SL is concerned about? Can you not see how this could be a huge conflict of interest? How can you not see how this is hypocritical? She was even voted out in a recall and went right back in the group as an officer? If the majority of this very group voted her out, how can she now claim to be what is good for the majority of the population?

And please dont feed me a line about being free to join. #sl has always been a public arena as well.

I am very curious in your answers to all these questions.

They're gonna R-U-U-U-U-U-U-UMBLE!!




*goes and hides behind the bar ... where all the Bailey's is*

Who decided this group would be the spokesgroup for SL residents?
I sure as hell didn't see any vote or discussion about it.
There is a thing called a Town Hall Meeting where we can ALL discuss such issues that affect SL.
Not in private meetings among a few residents.
Screw joining a group, this involves all of SL which we are already members of.
I should hope the Lindens will make sure future meetings will be widely publicized inside SL. And that we (stakeholders, merely tourists, users, consumers, players etc) are able to participate verbally.