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An interesting bit of hypocrisy

Beau Perkins
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09-01-2005 07:41
From: someone
Its the intense dislike some people have for others that have caused this reaction.


Yes you are correct, why should someone who is so intensely disliked be the spokes person for the interest of SL?
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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09-01-2005 07:41
A really moving image:
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Cindy Claveau
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09-01-2005 07:42
From: Hiro Queso
She is not acting as the saviour of SL. She has her own interests, as do others. We needed a spokesperson, and we all agreed Anshe would be the best person for that.

I'm sure that decision was based on her superior command of English and her ability to inspire leadership through her own selfless heroism.

I can't believe the number of people on all sides who continue to fool themselves that there is some kind of virtual democracy waiting at the other end of this tunnel. As long as Lindens own the servers, it just is NOT gonna happen except in people's fantasies.

We need more clubhouses.

And cowbell. Especially cowbell.
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Siggy Romulus
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09-01-2005 07:43
From: Mulch Ennui

I also suggested a linden sim for the purpose of transparency and public participation, as people waste their time complaining on forums or using votes for "porneys"
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Says it all doesn't it? Voting is a waste of time and so is discussing things with the populous..

For the record.. voting has shown that a porny is more desirable than freedom of the press :)

Go look it up!

But eh.. why bother asking the people what they want when you can just decide and give it to them!

Siggy.
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Musicteacher Rampal
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09-01-2005 07:43
From: Hiro Queso
This is the kind of question that is debated in the meetings. Some parts of the agenda are to provide a fairer business platform, and so that will only interest those with any kind of business, be it land or hoochie hair. But those parts of the agenda in no wat affect those who have no business negatively.

There are other parts of the agenda that will be of interest to everyone, such the disciplinary process.


I beg to differ because when decisions, like reducing stipends, are made to help out business owners because of declining L$ blah blah blah, that does affect we who do not have businesses quite negatively!
Katja Marlowe
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09-01-2005 07:44
From: Sansarya Caligari
much less having it listed in events and losing the focus on establishing a working relationship with Linden Labs and the citizens of SL. There were about 25-30 pple at the meeting, not including Lindens. They are not all listed in the transcript because not everybody spoke in open chat in there. ).


Um, does anyone else find that statement ironic? Not listing it because of losing the focus to establish a working relationship with Linden Labs and the citizens of SL??? Um, how are most citizens to know about it, if a) they work during town hall meetings and b) IT'S NOT IN EVENT LISTINGS???

Ironic huh?
Ingrid Ingersoll
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09-01-2005 07:44
From: Siggy Romulus


But eh.. why bother asking the people what they want when you can just decide and give it to them!

Siggy.



SHUT UP TOURIST
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Siggy Romulus
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09-01-2005 07:44
From: musicteacher Rampal
I beg to differ because when decisions, like reducing stipends, are made to help out business owners because of declining L$ blah blah blah, that does affect we who do not have businesses quite negatively!


Get with the program... you don't matter... your a tourist / consumer!
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Cory Edo
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09-01-2005 07:45
From: Cindy Claveau


We need more clubhouses.

And cowbell. Especially cowbell.



A gift! For you!

Siggy Romulus
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09-01-2005 07:45
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
SHUT UP TOURIST


Yeah but I'm a tourist with a porny..
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Malachi Petunia
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09-01-2005 07:45
From: Mulch Ennui
...And this group was created on the fly, and we spent many many hours trying to figure out what to say once we had been granted an audience with the king.

No one said we didn't want the group open to all. I suggested the press not be there, and this forum illustrates quite clearly why...
Alternately, this thread shows exactly why a free press is essential to governance that purports to be just.
Hiro Queso
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09-01-2005 07:46
From: musicteacher Rampal
I beg to differ because when decisions, like reducing stipends, are made to help out business owners because of declining L$ blah blah blah, that does affect we who do not have businesses quite negatively!

The things discussed would have no negative impact on those who have no form of business in SL. They are based on fairness in business, bweteen competitors.
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Musicteacher Rampal
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09-01-2005 07:47
says you....I just hope someone continues to post the transcripts from these meeting so we can be assured of that!
Jesrad Seraph
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09-01-2005 07:48
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Nolan Nash
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09-01-2005 07:49
From: Katt Kongo
From: Nolan Nash
Not unusual if you are trying to hide something. QUOTE]

I have to disagree with you on this point. I was on the board for the Boys and Girls Club in the county I live in when it was first starting up. My county has a LONG history of failing to establish an organization that provides a variety of opportunities for children, so on the basis of that, the board decided to refrain from releasing information to the press.

However, board meetings were open to the public. If press wanted to attend and then write a story on the meeting, nothing could have been done to prevent that from happening.

Freedom of the press, anyone?

This group has their own reasons for waiting to release info to the public. But since Prok announced the meetings in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT group, I doubt that hiding anything is the goal of this group.

I was already corrected by Surina and Jonquille on what I misinterpreted my first time through (the NDA part). Let's face it, it was a lot to take in.

Beyond that, when is not wanting the press present not considered trying to keep something under wraps, i.e. hidden?

I am unsure if I understand whether you are saying that the press should or should not have been allowed. Could you clarify before I tackle that?
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Katja Marlowe
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09-01-2005 07:49
From: Pham Neutra
Maybe it is a totally farfetched paranoid assumption, but ... somehow I am sure that during the course of a week Lindens have meetings with other residents and groups of residents, that are a lot more confidential than this.

"My group"! Cute :) If I never joined or left that group now, in what way would that change the meaning of what I am saying here?

Of course, its too late now ;) I have accepted an invitation and now I guess I have outed myself as a member of that cabal.




Invitations? That statement right there just destroyed any defense of what the group's aim is that you were providing.
Catherine Cotton
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09-01-2005 07:50
From: Hiro Queso
The things discussed would have no negative impact on those who have no form of business in SL. They are based on fairness in business, bweteen competitors.


Fairness? interesting choice of wording there.

cough bullshit cough
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Lynn Lippmann
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09-01-2005 07:51
From: Nolan Nash
I was already corrected by Surina and Jonquille on what I misinterpreted my first time through (the NDA part). Let's face it, it was a lot to take in.

Beyond that, when is not wanting the press present not considered trying to keep something under wraps, i.e. hidden?

I am unsure if I understand whether you are saying that the press should or should not have been allowed. Could you clarify before I tackle that?


Um... Coco writes for the SL Herald. She is a member of the "For the Greater of My Personal Interests Justice" group.

OH my, the conspiracy theories shall abound!
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Hiro Queso
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09-01-2005 07:51
From: Catherine Cotton
Fairness? interesting choice of wording there.

cough bullshit cough

Thanks for your helpful input Cat.
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Siggy Romulus
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09-01-2005 07:51
From: Nolan Nash
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I am unsure if I understand whether you are saying that the press should or should not have been allowed. Could you clarify before I tackle that?


So that this wouldn't happen?
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Catherine Cotton
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09-01-2005 07:53
From: Hiro Queso
Thanks for your helpful input Cat.


Anytime :D
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Nolan Nash
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09-01-2005 07:54
From: Hiro Queso
The things discussed would have no negative impact on those who have no form of business in SL. They are based on fairness in business, bweteen competitors.

Don't forget about the part where the group wants to review the LL employee behavior policy.

Prokofy Neva: "We're concerned about conduct in world while in uniform and out"

So, you want the policy to do what with it? To critique it and then try to amend it as you see fit? Do the rest of us get any say in this?
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Lynn Lippmann
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09-01-2005 07:55
From: Malachi Petunia
Alternately, this thread shows exactly why a free press is essential to governance that purports to be just.


I started giggling when I envisoned the IM from one of the members (or email) to Philip:

Hi. We've formed a group and would like to speak with you about several concerns we as end-users have for the future of SL. Seeing that many of us spend hunderds of dollars a month, we are concerned as to what we might do in the future to insure that the $$$'s keep coming back into our pockets at an alarming rate and when the money might dry up so we can unload ahead of the rest of the tourists/hobbiests and get our fat loot out before we go bust.
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Cristiano Midnight
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09-01-2005 07:55
From: Catherine Cotton
Fairness? interesting choice of wording there.

cough bullshit cough


God help me, I am getting a new found appreciation for your posts.
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Lynn Lippmann
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09-01-2005 07:57
From: Nolan Nash
Don't forget about the part where the group wants to review the LL employee behavior policy.

Prokofy Neva: "We're concerned about conduct in world while in uniform and out"

So, you want the policy to do what with it? To critique it and then try to amend it as you see fit? Do the rest of us get any say in this?


YES! By God, I need to know when they are using INVISIBLE mode so I can take off my wonderwoman outfit and no one will know my true identity!
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