Your Real-Life Personal Information

Nolan, I wasn't the one who accused you of "wheedling out." (I agreed with that assessment, though.) In your benefit, I did see just now that you had posted that you admitted (for the second time) that posting his occupation was wrong, which you apparently posted while I was composing my post. I agree, you have clearly stated you believed that part to be wrong.

Still, nothing in this thread - if you read back through your comments, and your supporters' comments - indicates remorse, or any sort of apology; in fact, you and others were joking about it all, even after Pathfinder's reprimand. Suggesting I have a noose because I take strong issue with breaking this part of the TOS is the sort of attitude I was condemning in my post above. I resent being characterized that way.

I do not have a noose. I don't carry a pitchfork. I don't know you from Adam. I don't know what happened with Prokofy last week. I simply don't want anyone posting private rl information on the forums. Or, for that matter, using it to intimidate another player on the game.

coco

For god's sake, I did NOT post anything until prokofy exaggerated what I said. I only did so to show that he was embellishing. You all went freekin nuts after that and I have paid for it and admitted I was wrong. What do you want? We would've NEVER been here had Prokofy kept it to IMs.

Which part of this statement that I am posting for the THIRD time do you not understand?

occupation. -I'll take the hit on this one

I will take my warning, I won't claim it was unjust as prokofy did last week when prokofy was banned for intolerance. Where were all you internet cops when prokofy was circumventing a suspension with Random and Henry, both of which Prokofy admits to being alt accounts?

See..this is what I was talking about. You call me oblivious, when in fact I directly addressed your points. And you actually have the nerve..or should I say gall, to point at me and say "you're so confident of your whole take on the thing that you don't hesitate to dispense advice and judgement", when you are about the most guilty of doing so of any regular forum poster, and you do so in such a tone as to sound arrogant and condesending, as well as insulting.



I get it just fine. You are claiming harassment because he IM'd you alot and dug up personal information on you. Ok..that was what i addressed in my post.



Did you have conversations with him in those IMs? Did you tell him straight out to not IM you anymore? LL can't really control where and what he does on the internet, but they can take action if he posts RL information within SL or these forums. Which Pathfinder did.



See above. LL doesn't control the entire internet, and can't stop anyone from researching anyone else. While he actions may be wrong in my opinion, did they break the ToS, which i believe states that revealing RL information in SL is a no-no, not just knowing RL information.



Posting it in the forums was certainly wrong. But again, LL can't make their ToS enforcable outside of SL.



He posted very mild bits here, and it was removed by pathfinder and he recieved an informal warning.



Actually..I got pretty much the whole story in this thread.



Well..you certainly are a beacon of righteousness and a warrior for the truth.

If you can prove Nolan is indeed giving out your RL info to others in-world, then I'm sure Ll will investigate and take action.



I agree.



Lucky for me I couldn't give a flying fart about other's real lives. Well..unless I become close friends with them, and then only if they volunteer such information.




Ever think beyond the bounds of your paranoia and consider that it could be the manner in which you post and the things you say in your post that poison folks against you? Sometimes looking in a mirror is the first step toward the truth, while other times it's just fun..specially when naked.

Unfortunately this is a natural response to months and months of bashing the SL community. Both Prok and yourself came to SL from TSO with a chip on your shoulder, god knows why. Your negative experiences in SL have nothing to do with being A. a new player and B. someone from TSO, because 3/4 of SL fits into that category and they don't complain one iota as much.

Here's an idea... try being positive and see what kind of reaction you get from people. Works wonders.

Thanks, Cocoanut. I am so glad that there are mature adults in this game. There aren't that many of them. There are all too many heedless, hedonistic, and hectoring 20-somethings with really iffy senses of morality, no common sense or common courtesy, and a really, really spotty exposure to Western Civ.

You find it among the Lindens themselves, the mods, the liaisons, the whole bunch. In fact, recently I discovered that liaisons are merely older players that wangled a job with LL after, I guess, sucking up to the right people LOL. So it's no accident that they get together with their old gal pals from their former lives and gang upon people they hate, one-two punch them, and AR them even to get them banned.

It's instructive to me to look at my various battles over the recent weeks on matters of principle, which is my chosen game occupation.

o Anti-gay signs were removed from my property and others, and a full-blown Linden response with 3 Lindens, a 14-day banning of the offender and full reprobrium was turned out faster than you can say "Jack Rabbit". And part of the reason for that is that sexual preference and choice of how to have sexual pleasure is one of the entitlements to which this generation feels it has a right to. It's not even so much a sense of tolerance of different types of people and their makeups, it's more about "I get to do the fuck I want and get out of my face". That's a right, and the Lindens were incredibly alacritous in defending that right!

o Anti-Anshe signs were removed from one thoughtful Linden, who even said "this is bullshit" about them in a PG zone (!) but other Lindens couldn't see their way clear to understanding that creation of a hostile, intimidating, nasty environment against land dealers is not the way to start a new world. The signs remain. The player remains.

o Anti-Catholic invective was allowed to stand in the game and on the forums without a single comment, even as the Pope was being laid to rest, because well, people have always been bigots against Catholics since time immemorial, and they perceive Catholics -- again -- as getting in the way of their entitlement to sexual pleasure when and how they want it, without any consequences, so, let's use even this somber occasion marked by millions in RL as a chance to stump again for the me-generation entitlements.

o Anti-Commerce harassment was allowed to stand against me in the forums about FREE TIBET although it was a non-profit project and no exploitation of any actual Tibetans or causes was intended or committed, and it was only a celebration and an exploration of this under-studied culture and the interplay between Occidental and Oriental (and yes, I've had to endure PC types telling me never to use the word "Oriental".

o Slander of my business reputation was allowed to stand, despite my strenuous efforts to correct and stop it, and really, the message is sent that people can "express their opinion" in this way and it will not be addressed.

o A new interpretation of the TOS was made saying the "group attack" was as bad as "individual attacks" -- totally pulling the rug out from any effort by any players to establish a Better Business Bureau type of activity where fraudulent and corrupt businesses could be investigated and exposed, on the one hand, and legitimate businesses wrongfully slandered could be protected by open investigations, on the other.

o My efforts to encourage a voluntary zoning movement in sims, where people form associations to try to deal with bad-build, griefing, lag, and prim issues, were undermined by the usual hedonistic, right-of-way crowd that again says "I do what the fuck I want on my property", and my position of simple voluntary efforts to resolve conflicts over building, or work with neighbours to solve problems, was exaggeratedly portrayed as "imposing a totalitarian vision". This, from people moving to Ansheland!

Conclusion: a world of people all screaming "I do what the fuck I want on my property" can't even begin to call itself a community. It's a playpen, not a community. And the more self-righteous ones in this fake community, which is more like a medieval guild, who yammer endlessly about how my sharp critique "harms" their community, who think I "impose" my vision on them, simply have no advice or response for things like the Biff Pendragon griefer tower, or the W-Hat griefing with towers and atomic plants, or any of the numerous types of aggravations that happen in this game. They claim to be civilized and upholding standards, but in two years in this game, they could not devise adequate means of social control to prevent the minority from destroying the experience of the majority. That's a terrible commentary. I don't care if they could Neverland and Bedazzle us to death and take us to Chinatown. If they couldn't figure out how a few people could live together in peace on a sim without destroying the experience for one another, without their endlesss entitlements screaming, they don't have my respect.

Now don't get me wrong. My points about civilization here shouldn't be exaggerated and blown up to imply that I somehow oppose sexual preferences or sexual pleasures or doing what the fuck you want on your property, without the Pope in your face. I advocate doing such things, I merely ask for consideration of your neighbours. That is entirely lost in this equation.

It's like high-school...no, it's more like elementary school. The giggling, taunting, silliness. You're always expecting for someone to jump up and say "poopy face!" So often, you "interlocuters" in these important social and philosophical debates are...waiting for their mom to pick them up after school and logging in from their college class.

I was saying to a few friends last night that I wish SL were an urban experience, not a provincial experience. By that, I don't mean tall skyscrapers by Maxx Monde, or suburban artists' enclaves by Maxx Monde.

What I mean is the urban sensibility, which is culture, thoughtfulness, cosmopolitanism, tolerance, wit, sophistication, wisdom, ability to see all sides of an issue while holding one point of view, and so on.

Instead, I find the culture to be distinctly provincial -- intolerant, smug, arrogant, insular, small-minded, and full of a sense of privileged beatitude for their actual or perceived technological talents.

I don't know about you, Coco, but I fear for our real world, as much as I fear for our imaginary second world with the presence of these types in it.

Blame it on the FIC.

I reposted what I said to Moopf, because you were both saying nearly the same thing. I should have taken off the first line, you have my apology for that, I felt like I was on a tilt-a-whirl for a few minutes there, facindg a different person every other minute and fielding all sorts of complaints.

All qualities you posess, I'm sure, and you display so well by telling people to f-off in the welcome area. Hey let's not forget, you weren't banned for nothing.

I read it as supportive, Prok.

I was looking for it, and glad to see it.

A telling part of this post is learning who maintains their stand on an issue regardless of their opinion of the players.

So now it's Prokofy's fault that you posted RL information because he didn't keep this issue obscurred?



I understand. What you don't, can't, or refuse to understand is that this isn't about Prokofy.



The problem is that a warning hasn't taught you anything as demostrated by your follow-up posts.

See what I did Willow?

Sigh.

I provided another outlet for this incessant bitching and moaning about what others choose to do in their second life. Yes, I went overboard. After Prokofy told me personally he rode out agendas against the BDSM community in TSO and that he raised a huge ruckus because Will Wright had the nerve to give a player a friendship balloon in his own game. Looks like it was all FIC there as well. It's just a little ironic now that prokofy is clinging to that Easter Linden Bear. *I'll never sell it*.

And ladies and gentleman of the FIC jury..he/she rests his/her case!

Yes mommy.

Yes alty.

I'll go to my room now.

Or should I cut myself for you?

What will sate your lust for retribution?

Please make sure to inform us you're a newbie again.

And sassypants, I am not posting any RL info now am I? I guess I HAVE learned, not that it matters to you alt all.

P.S. I heard Pandastrong is a professional bocce ball player.

This is the type of ramblings that probably gravitate negativity toward you, Prokofy.



More of the same...

Prokofy... you are entitled, as is everyone, to thier opinion but you should also be aware that comments like those listed above make you more of a possible target than most. I don't advocate any actions against you or anyone else for thier opinion. Ever.

But, what do I know.... I'm just a "heedless, hedonistic, and hectoring 20-somethings with really iffy senses of morality, no common sense or common courtesy, and a really, really spotty exposure to Western Civ" - right?

OK I am new. I do want to say a few things about this. I am a Pagan. I believe in the law of 3. What you send out will come back to 3 times. Both partys sould like well bad people. If I dislike what you say, guess what? We can still be friends because most people disagree with me and I don’t take anything personally and no one really should. I will not post any ones info even if it is posted in 10000000000 places, that is just rude. I would say that the half ass worning about the personal info has pissed me off and now thinking better of being on SL. If you take it searusly then they should be gone.


She/He, you know the French have a word for He/She/It. I have seen people talking about how bad it is to call this person he or that person she. OK I got it. SHIT. SH for she. H for H. IT for IT. SHIT. So from now one my sexual name will not be “He” or “She” I want to be called “Shit”. So when you talk about this don’t go, “He wants us to call him Shit” no You should go, “Shit wants to be called Shit” That way my sex is hidden from every one. Sorry it’s not funny what has happened here. The thing is we use He or She all the time and that can be taken from your Avatar Name as a Guess or taken by how you look in game. All in all Keep RL stuff out of the game and the game out of RL.

Shit out!

The TOS is part of a BINDING LEGAL CONTRACT between YOU, the SL resident, and LINDEN LABS. When you violate the TOS, you break the contract.

The TOS does *NOT* say that you can't disclose personal information "using Linden equipment". It says you can't do it AT ALL. There is NO limitation to this obligation, you cannot reveal personal information about another resident, without their consent, using any means at all. Legally this includes whispering in another person's ear! You AGREE not to do this when you AGREE to the TOS, which you must do in order to use SL.

This is not limited to "identity". You can't reveal ANYTHING without consent! Not eye color. Not occupation. Nothing.

There are two important caveats, however.

1. Linden Labs is under no contractual obligation to take action against a perceived TOS violation. They have the right to take action. (One could argue that they have a "responsibility", but that isn't in the contract!)

2. Linden Labs can't reasonably be expected to police forums, public or private, that are not under its control.

To summarize, revealing ANY personal information about an avatar using ANY means without consent is AGAINST THE TOS. Linden is not legally required to do anything about it, but they CAN.

The problem with forums outside Linden's control is this: While it may be possible to prove to Linden that someone revealed personal information on a non-Linden website, what Linden can't know is whether there was "consent". That would make it very difficult for them to act on this alone. However, they could take it into consideration when evaluating behavior in-world and in Linden forums.

Buster

Let's get something straight. I am not an alt.

Perhaps you should go to your room and maybe think about what you did and learn from it. I work with this issue on a daily basis in my professional life and it's nothing to joke about. The fact that you are still here blaming your woes on others makes me think you don't care because you can get away with it.

Personally I'm suprised you haven't at least been suspended/banned from the forums.

Can I get one of those, but can you change Heedless to headless?

But, but, but, I am already in my room! Where should I go?

Look, this isn't your class, or whatever you think it is. I have stated I was wrong to reveal the occupation. You are opening yourself up to sarcasm with your parental admonitions. Maybe you need to learn to leave that crap at work.

This is why I am in love with Pandastrong.

I about fell of my chair when I read this.

Maybe its just a poor choice of words, but you can't say you take something "very seriously" and then in the very next sentence provide an "informal warning".

Substitute the word "stern" for the word "informal" and the message would make sense.

Thank you. It is this qualifier added to the admission of a mistake being made which gives the impression of no remorse. Not to mention the mommy, alty stuff.

Yes! They did it! I've been a double agent for sometime now. It was them!!!1111