Your Real-Life Personal Information

well since it's resorted to trolling now, allow me

So yeah, this guy in SL gave me a texture. It was named after the original jpeg on his computer evidently. So I did a search on the image name and bugger me if I didnt find the image on google images! So I followed it to the website, which turned out to be one of those photo album sites. Well anyway, the site had a contact email address. So I googled the email address, and found that it was also on this other website, which turns out to be someones real life blog. And there was another picture of this dog that was on the gallery site with the same name! And bugger me if there wasn't a real life profile on there!

So if you want his rl information, lemme know and I'll post it here. After all, he gave me the image with the original name intact, allowing me to track him down irl, so he must be giving me implicit permission to make his details public. After all, it's freely available on teh intarweb!

And PMing you about it is wrong?

Christ. People howl that "you should take this to IM" then whine all over the forums when I do. Then they post multiple threads about it in the general section, hoping to draw a response, so as to be able to scream "harrassment!". You got your wish Prokofy. I responded, color me a DUMBASS. I can no longer refer to you as "he" or "she", because I may be revealing your RL sex, so from now on I guess it's "it". Have fun with that.

Funny how Prokofy can openly call me a homophobe, yet I get warned for speaking of it's gender. Hallelujah!

LIAR! I gave you a tga, not a jpg! LIBEL!

Stretch it out for all that it's worth Kris, I gave no name, no address (which I have no clue of other than Prokofy's profile which says NY). This must be terribly convenient for you. Thanks Mrs. *I hate people* (Unless I can use a situation to get at someone I am angry at).

David, your response is so typical of oblivious forum posters who haven't read the whole thread and yet feel entitled to be as arrogant and hectoring as all get-out. You're so confident of your whole take on the thing that you don't hesitate to dispense advice and judgement, though you can't even see the damaging posts because Pathfinder deleted them.

Let me go over it again for you and others who aren't getting it.

1. Nolan stalked me for weeks and harassed me, because he does not like my opinions on the forum. He was really obsessed about it. He tried to find out everything he could about me by talking to other players in this game and others, reading the scandalous Second Life Herald, googling, snooping, etc. etc. Through great lengths and expenditure of time, he then served that up to me in a mangled mess of true, partly-true, and luridly untrue statements. He kept sending them to me, trying to get me to confirm them, etc. It's harassment. I ignored him.

2. Yesterday, he sent me 3 messages showing my real life name, location, job, publications, gender and therefore my sexual identity. I sent them to LL. Duh. I did that, everybody I sent them to [email]abuse-manager@secondlife.com[/email], and sent them to Pathfinder as the moderator of the forum. I figured they would take swift action. A player was gathering my RL information and essentially trying to silence me by implying a threat to publish the information.

3. I honestly don't care and have nothing to hide from people who have an obsessive need to dig around the Internet and read about my RL life. But I stand by the principle that this is a TOS violation.

You're asking why finding out someone's RL name etc is a punishable offense.

But he published it on the forums here! Further more, he sent messages before doing that in a threatening matter to imply blackmailing me into shutting up on the forums! THAT is what is wrong with it, David.

Unfortunately for you all, I don't shut up in the face of blackmailers. I instantly published a forum notice that someone was attempting this on me. Nolan then outed himself as that person, he published my RL info, Pathfinder deleted it, and gave him only a slap saying "this is an informal warning". Whereupon Nolan continued to dance around the truth of his violation, trying to skew and bend what he said, and people like yourself only got part of the story as the relevant post was deleted.

I sure as hell "go overboard" when someone

-- attempts to blackmail me to silence me on the forums
-- publishes my RL information on the forums
-- spreads my RL information in the game (numerous people have been IM'ing me in recent weeks about my RL information with all kinds of curiosity precisely because of Nolan's research and stirring).

Honestly, could Nolan just leave me alone and leave my RL out of it? Isn't that what all of you would wish for yourselves.

RL is something many people like to play as a kind of currency in this game. They love to get pieces and parts of somebody's RL and serve it up to them in judgement and condemnation, usually in the forum of trying to tell them that they "don't have a life". It's a vicious game all of its own. People also like to use their RL accomplishments to try to position themselves in SL, and to compensate even for what they can't do in SL (or visa versa). But I'm one of those people who likes to keep RL and SL separate.

It was my understanding, coming to SL from TSO, that the protections of privacy were greater than in TSO, and the protections from griefers were greater. In TSO, various fucktards would even somehow find my children and harass them in Yahoo IMs and even figure out how to make RL phone calls to me, they were that intent on griefing. There wasn't much protection for RL privacy in part because of the sleuthing of people like Uri at the SLH.

Let me take this opportunity to say I'm appalled, absolutely APPALLED if what Miko is saying is true, and Nolan is a Second Life Mentor.

P.S. Willow will you go on a date with me if I give you 1024 of prime waterfront mature gorgeous view Erie? I have to get rid of this piece one way or another today to shift my tier for other chores. Do you have the tier for it? I have no idea if you are dating material, I haven't even really ever heard of you but I remember there was this fellow...was it billy Madison? Who said he was in love with you I think? And like, some kind of We Love Willow fan club? So you might be a nice person. Except...and I know you were joking...how nice can you be if you only date a disliked scapegoat in a game if you get a piece of game land?

P.P.S. Does anybody ever think about how flame wars and game fights get started? One person in a relationship gone bad decides to get revenge by spreading RL information and general scathing judgement. They tell older players they are trying to suck up to in order to make a common cause of derision against me with that older players -- who have no idea who I am. The older players, thus flattered and poisoned as to their perception of me, then feel entitled to slam me mercilessly on the forums. I fight back. But note what happened. I did not started. Had that malicious person never decided to get started, had they never made common cause with older players at my expense, you might never have heard from me, because I never would have had need for self defense.

*I* Would just like to point out that Kris doesn't hate me, and I think I am a person

Oh and man this thread sure got long!

I think you should be able to post your RL location in your damn profile without worrying about someone googling you and getting stuff!

I googled my own name and it was a bit poo, thanks for upsetting me with this thread, I now know I am WORTHLESS

-.-

I usually don't but in this case you came to the general forums and whined about PMs, and orchestrated a flame war. Clever.

In a broader sense; they usually start when someone tries to dictate what others should do and heckle them for not complying.

Eh, Kris has said many times that she *hates people*. Obviously that is not all inclusive, which is why the statement strikes a chord with me.

My post was in support of you. Not likely you will understand that , given your "nasty, condescending, hectoring, know-it-all tone".

The case is closed. Your point is now lost in your rhetoric.

LMAO!

No I don't have the tier, I have a sim, and uh...

I would date you, if I wasn't spoken for, (and not even for your land I might add), arguments make for the best make up sex , and boy I think we could raise the roof arguing

and HEY I AM a damn nice person! TAKE THAT BACK!!!

Succinct and devastating. I agree.

It's like Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's declamation on pornography: "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it." It doesn't matter what the circumstances are: Linking RL personal information to an AV identity without the express permission of the RL person behind the AV is wrong. Just wrong.

To defend such a practice is not only wrong, it's embarrassing.

God help me, I've stuck-up-for-Prok twice today in two different threads. I need a drink.

Awfully funny way to show "support"!

He is a Second Life mentor? !!!!!!!

As a new player, I, too, am seriously concerned that LL is not taking this seriously enough. I would just as avidly defend Nolan's right to keep his own information private.

The information may be OUT THERE and it may be reasonably easy to find, for someone who is determined to, but that in no way justifies breaking the TOS to post any or all of it, or even any little bit of it. It wouldn't even matter if it were Stephen King wanting to play SL anonymously. Because he is a famous writer doesn't mean he doesn't have that right.

As for the rest of us, nearly all of us are published - in the phone book, if no where else. Just because that information is out there, and someone finds it, in no way justifies posting it here and breaking the TOS as it was broken by Nolan in this thread.

Do I need to explain this any further?

What bothers me even more is the fact that Nolan has shown no remorse whatsoever. I was thinking just that - that he was still here slugging away, despite the fact that Pathfinder issued him an informal warning - when I read the post by the former mod who mentioned that remorse was a factor they took into consideration upon appeal.

There is no remorse whatever on this thread. In fact, it has degenerated into something I've noticed, in my two months here, frequently happens: People who want to diminish the issue at hand start joking around with each other and goofing off in some kind of in-group.

Well, it doesn't diminish the issue to me at all. It just makes the jokers look like a bunch of jackasses.

I can understand the concept of differing levels of privacy breaching. I can see where this situation isn't anywhere near as bad as if someone posted, "Nolan's real name is Peppy Polliwog, and he lives at 72 Happy Hollow Lane in Pleasantville, Maryland." Nonetheless, even a small broach of this rule is a very serious matter, for reasons I outlined earlier, ones which most of us can readily grasp. And I think we see here how little an effect that wrist-slap had.

So I, too, considered Pathfinder's response to be about as lenient as you could get, while still expressing disapproval. I can accept that, despite the fact that people get banned from the game and the forums for days for saying bad words, which is a lot less egregious in my book.

But as you can see, this wrist-slapping apparently just leads to people making a big joke of it, giggling in a corner like a bunch of school kids, and thinking they can get away with anything, even when it is blatantly against the TOS.

And you tell me this person is a SL mentor? I am appalled.

Part of the better part of growing up is learning to (a) distinguish between personalities you may or may not like, and the bigger principles at hand, and (b) admit when you are wrong, which should include, if you are sincere in admitting you are wrong, an apology or some show of remorse.

coco

Please, everybody stop responding to Prokofy's vitriol-filled posts if you don't like what he is saying; that's all that Prokofy seems to want, to stir up trouble. I think it has been well-demonstrated that you will never out-talk Prokofy, nor will Prokofy back down from any perceived fight or injustice; he will, instead, proceed to string together one Homerian epithet after another in post after endless post, in some oddly endearing yet ultimately destructive and maddening attempt for attention or validation... or something.

It is wrong to post someone's RL information to forums, period. Speaking hypothetically, since none of us really know what happened, it is wrong to taunt someone in-world with the fact that his/her RL information is known and might be passed around to others. It doesn't matter who it is, or how well-loved or reviled that person is in the community; it is wrong.

Doesn't devastate me. It's par for the course. I am used to it after two years, Eggy stands in jugdment of his fellow humans quite often. Especially those on this side of the pond.

Thats because it's in a reasonable and civil way. Something unknown to you.

Pathfinder, can we have a forum called "Zombies," please? It would be for threads that continue to walk the earth long after their natural death.

Naw. I posted my wrong again, and you don't care. You accused me of *wheedling out*, I painted a very clear picture of what I did wrong, twice, I will take my medicine. I didn't cry *UNFAIR* like Prokofy did last week when she was suspended for intolerance (where were you with your noose then?)

Blessed be, Alty McAlterson

HEY! Who are you calling a human?
Watch your mouth, mister! Or I'll... I'll... roll over you! Yeah.

Yeah, I spent 2 hours helping a person learn how to stream video last nite, and another hour helping another with building. that doesn't mean I can't spar on the forums nor that I can't call a spade a spade. I think you are all missing one big fundamental here. Prokofy brought this from PM's to the public forums and radically embellished what I said. That's cool though - dawg will hunt, dawg will hunt.

I don't know Eggy; I'm not talking about him, nor your relationship with him. I'm speaking of his words, and how they reflected what I feel and think about this situation.

I understand that you are not devastated, but I wish you felt a little humbled. I've thoroughly enjoyed your "don't tread on me" approach to forum affairs, and your creative, out-of-kilter wit. You're one of the reasons why I keep reading these forums.

But here, now, you're wrong. And further, I'm willing to bet that you know it, even though you don't realize it yet. That Prokofy is involved makes it real tough to see.

IMHO, and something I probably shouldn't have said.

No, I'm not missing anything. This has nothing to do with what Prokofy brought on the forums in this thread or any other thread, This has everything to do with you posting RL information about an SL avatar. You don't grasp the seriousness of the issue regardless of how little you posted. You will one day if you ever become a victim of identity theft.