Your Real-Life Personal Information

Being treated badly is not a reason to behave badly ... its an /EXCUSE/ to do something one wanted to do anyway; to justify bad behavior.

Hmm, I didn't expect that kind of remark from someone who I viewed as tolerant and intelligence.

You don't seem to get it.

I haven't treated people badly, I've criticized some aspects of their behaviour that I find a real problem in this game, and attacked their privileging as a group. *I have never been banned from the forums for anything I've written on the forums*. In fact, that's the case! Amazing as it may seem to you and others who hysterically exaggerate and misrepresent what I write most of the time (that's why I tend to write a LOT so it can be freely examined later and understood in full).

I haven't "attacked all oldbies", only those who have used their privileges and subsidies in the game to demand that the game not change and grow and keep others from entering it. I haven't attacked "all ugly builders," I've criticized those who griefer-build and obstruct properties and lower FPS. These are fine distinctions, I guess, but there it is.

If you don't like what I say, even if you feel I "treated you badly," in a community with a TOS, which is what you all pretend to be, you don't get to violate the TOS to harass a person.

You don't get to engage in stalking. You don't get to engage in anti-gay baiting. You don't get to engage in research and disclosure of someone's RL information with the aim to pressure, harass, demean them.

A person *is* posting alleged RL information in SL forums, SL-related forums, inside the game, inside messages to me, inside the forum messaging system -- everywhere, Juro. And that's not OK. That's MORE than not OK.

And if someone posts your RL info extracted from the game through interception of cellphone conversations in the game, for example (a feature that Nexcom can make use of handily) or some other means, that is a serious problem.

I am actually quite shocked that you think that it's ok to bully, harass, blackmail, expose RL information, etc. to a person just because you don't agree with them or "think you are treated badly" or "think they behaved badly."

Repeat: I've never been banned from the forums for what I wrote and have never had anything I written on here removed by the moderators.

It's really terribly dismaying to me to think people seemingly cultured and intelligent like you don't get those principles, principles you want to protect YOU in your chosen profession, sexual preference, RL privacy, etc. etc. etc.

Quite a few people whose names begin with M posting here. Including a disproportionate number of alliterative names. WTF?

Excuse me, Talen, but you are misinformed. I don't have my RL information on my profile. In fact, under RL, I have the phrase "Don't ask, don't tell." There's a reason for that. I like to keep RL and SL separate, and I don't particularly like to endure people's long convos about their own RL disembodied from any context normally, so I put that expression on there.

And my blog links in no way, shape, or form, to my RL information anywhere.
None whatsoever. There's no way you could link these too, even with google.

So when you complain that I link my RL information to myself in the game or in the blogs, you are maliciously slandering me. I do not.

What these spies and investigators do is not even use google so much as they start with the hearsay they've pulled and prodded out of people here and there, of some nasty disgruntled person somewhere who possibly had this information given to them in confidence some time ago, in another game, but who then decided to poison the well when they turned on me. That happens in games. And the protection you have against that starts with yourself, whereby you don't put your RL info on your profile or tell it even to the closest friends in the game. It happens I have a few close friends who know me in RL. But they aren't the ones spreading RL information along with slander. You're not entitled to research and "out" somebody's RL just because you don't like them. Yet that is what goes on with impunity. My understanding is that LL is very clear on that behaviour, however, as a TOS violation.

People in this game who wish to have their privacy protected need to be concerned about this climate of hostily and harassment that exists in this game.

I'm sorry I'm not following you. In Prokofy's profile are a link to a Yahoo messaging account that doesn't actually exist and a link to Prokofy's blog on typepad. The only thing in Prokofy's profile that was already known was New York City being the location (although as you know you can put anything in there, so that's no proof of where Prokofy actually lives there). What Nolan posted was RL sex and occupation information.

Excuse me?

Maybe you should re-read my comment Moopf. I was not 'excusing' the revealing of private information.

Further, no where in Prokofy's original post does he say anything about the person dispensing his personal info in SL or here on the forums.

I wasn't excusing the actions... I'm just not surprised that Prokofy has made a few enemies who would go to these lenghts, hence my 'you reap what you sow' comment.

Prokofy should be free to say whatever he wants w/o fear of someone biting back - but when they do, should he be surprised?

Profoky's real life dual occupation is listed on the blog in the ABOUT section ...real life sex easy to determine from the site as well and real name too....sorry its all there and if I can find it anyone can...

Let's try this again, since some of you seem to think I'm saying it's OK for people to post RL info because they disagree with your persona.


Juro's philosophy (it may/may not apply in this case)
You reap what you sow.

If you treat people badly, expect some in return.

Juro's opinion on the matter:
If the person was posting your RL info in SL or on the SL forums, they should be reported. If they posted it somewhere else - I don't think there's much you can do about it.

Juro's thinly veiled stab at the blonde menace:
Oddly, this reminds me of Ann "I need a sandwich" Coulter and the pie.

Sorry Chip, I don't need to know what happened beyond the appearance of Prok's RL personal info in this forum. That is the issue that that I am concerned with. You appear to derail the thread from this issue by responding to only that which concerns you without giving a hoot about the privacy violation because of who it was violated. What relevancy does Prok's in game personna have on a TOS violation? RL privacy protection is not just for those who earn our esteem. It is also extended to those who have annoyed, aggravated, angered, and <fill in whatever negative reaction you have to Prok's writings here>.

I wonder where you folks would be waving your pitchforks had I not posted that name edited PM?
Get Real. Ever read the newspaper? People who are accused of crimes are listed. They're not even convicted. You all have a funny sense of privacy.

If a person is going to mouth off about what a bunch of selfish jerks SLers are in general for months, and then I get wind that this was the same way they behaved in TSO, I MIGHT look you up. It is not a habit nor a hobby, just simple curiosity and a drive for clarification. It's at your fingertips, and remember folks, EVERYTHING you say will be on the web FOREVER, and most venues have no rules about revealing info you have already made public. Enjoy the relative anonimity here, you will not be afforded it elsewhere.

The Stalker.

Actually I'm saying neither of those things, but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. What did Nolan actually reveal besides location (which is in Prok's profile) and profession? OMG Prok is a writer! The violation! C'mon Moopf. This is a clear attempt by Prok to manipulate public opinion over a VERY minor infraction by trying to blow it up into something much bigger than it appears to actually be. If me being unwilling to grab a pitchfork and torch with the rest of you puts me in an unpopluar position, so be it.

Well, if you really wanted to know -- all that information and more is here:

Feted Inner Core

I think, generally, you have to take the same precautions online that you do in real life. Treat people decently, with respect and presumably they won't want to exact some kind of revenge on you. (presumably) There are exceptions of course.

That being said, I think Pathfinder did the right thing here.

I find this very disconcerting. It's a signal to the community here and the gaming community at large that RL information of customers is not safe, and will not be protected.
What it says is that only AFTER the RL information is revealed, and revealed systematically, only AFTER the harasser has done potentially devastating things to your RL and SL, THEN LL might give them a mild slap on the wrist -- leaving them to continue to taunt and annoy with impunity.

I've lost all the faith I had in you, Pathfinder, and here I thought you were an intelligent person who read Kerouac, for God's sake. This player should have been immediately suspended for a very clear-cut and egregious violation of the TOS -- posting RL information on the SL forums and in the game, and continuing to use that information to harass and intimidate another resident.

It doesn't matter if some people -- and Pathfinder himself -- thinks I "brought it on myself" for being critical in the forums -- criticism that, I might ad, was never once the grounds for suspending me from the forums or deleting my posts.

What matters is that Linden Labs is saying this: be sure not to be too vocal on the forums, don't stick your neck out, keep the older players happy, join the medieval guild system, be apprenticed by privileged older players, never talk to much, and sure, yeah, we'll kinda uphold your right to not have your RL information published, and not have someone fucktard harass and stalk you but hey, the Internet is the Internet so, hey, you're on your own.

Nolan has been stalking me and harassing me for weeks. They've published notecarded convos on other sites, etc. I ignored it and didn't AR it through all this systematic harassment because who has the time? It's petty.Then Nolan began baiting me in the forums with a he/she thing. This is a slam on me based on his perceptions of my real-life sexual identity and preferences. That's a violation of the TOS.

He's now screaming that he merely wrote that I am in New York, and that's here on my profile anyway. But in his messages to me in the in-game messaging system, in his posts here, he further elaborated that he had:

1. My real life name.
2. My publications, i.e. my employer
3. My location and my real life name and my employer, i.e. the ability to stalk me
to my own RL house or place of business
4. My real life sexual identity.

Honestly, that's ok? That gets an informal warning?

I put this in the AR system, and might have let it wend its way, but also felt it was important not to "make a plea" to the community but to put a policy statement out there so that Nolan cannot continue to blackmail, harass, intimidate, demean, and discredit me through is investigations into my real life.

Excuse me, Chip, but now that his post is deleted, it is not possible to see all the RL information he put out there, which is not on my profile.

You are misrepresenting the story.



The blog is Prokofy's blog with his occupations, not my RL occupations. There is nothing that is contained on my in-game profile, or in my blogs, or links to my blogs that tells you my RL occupation, location, place of business, gender, sexual orientation, or any other information. My real life name isn't on my SL blog. So you're pulling this all out of thin air now because you are trying to demean and belittle this serious issue.

You are misrepresenting the story to a degree...again this information is easily found on your blog which is connected to your AV's profile....I even found out your name there ...perhaps you should edit your blog if you dont want people to know this information. because I easily found your:

Dual occupation
e-mail
Name
sex

AAs for the in worl allegations you are right you shouldn't be harrased through IM's but the rest can be found through your profile

I read the post before it was deleted. I don't recall seeing your name, city of residence, street address, or anything else that truly revealed who you are.

Chip (my real name)
Occupation: Animator
Location: Germantown, MD
*waves*

I'm not trying to demean anything...and yes the information can be found through your blog I would tell you the information I found but that would get me in trouble...kind of a catch 22 thing.

And you guys think Prok has wierd conspiracy theories? Suggesting that I or any one else who doesn't agree with you is a Prokofy alt is bizarre. I have been annoyed by Prok's ability to take a lucid point and turn it into a never ending rant. Period. I found Nolan's he/she stuff in yesterday's forum to be immature. A child chanting "I know something you don't" in a sing song way is what came to my mind. My opinions of and reactions to posts by either of these two players are irrelevant. Dragging that stuff into it is what takes a discussion out of the issue driven realm and into the personal problem province.


Pol, Let me make it clear that I now have a personal problem with you.

Anyone know whose site this is?

1. Your RL name is all over the net. I did not publish it.
2. Leave writing if you don't like being credited. I have NO clue of your publisher(s), though I would hope any net savvy person could find out. It is of no consequence to me - other than to avoid works published by them.
3.Your Location is on your profile. Again, I do not know your publisher nor do I care to. Stalk you? If I was gonna stalk someone it would be Gary Coleman. He rocks at console games and I need some tips. I played him at E3 and lost badly. Your house? And you accuse other of histrionics. I would sooner hang out at the downtown Dallas bus station than figure out where you live.
4.You keep trying to paint me as a homophobe simply because I was told by a prolific SLer that I was addressing you improperly as "he". It's ok, keep grabbing for straws. You will get a couple of short sighted people with axes to grind on your side in the end.

Yep if it's in your SL Profile seems the AV is giving permission for the RL/SL link.

LL care to comment further?

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It wasn't detailed personal information like the person's real-life name or home address...it was general, but still personal enough for me to consider a violation of the person's privacy. Hence the informal warning.

If anyone distrubutes detailed information linking an avatar to a person's RL name, address, or the like on any system maintained by LL, they will be banned immediately. Both from the forums and from SL in general.

Ah but you are implying that it's Prokofy's actions that naturally lead to people giving away Prokofy's RL information. Prokofy's original post doesn't say that the information was given away, Nolan kindly did that in his post in response.

You were saying that there are mitigating circumstances, why be suprised etc. The jump in logic is what I have a problem with.

Ah right, so there are levels of personal detail are there. Surely it would be much easier for blanket coverage here? I mean, privacy is privacy. When you start rating how private is private, things get kinda murky.