SL must move beyond the Techi Wiki culture

Blaze asked that this thread not be an attack on anyone but rather a discussion of a particular "mindset." We seem to be veering way off course even though the coffee diversion and cartoons were fun along the way.



Kermit's success with Tringo shows that SL is flexible and aspires to give its residents as much latitude as possible within the confines of a metaverse. Either I missed the original point of Blaze's post or I'm taking it in a different direction than originally intended.

Blaze made a good observation -- it's about the ideas, not just the aesthetics or the code.

Someone mentioned that Tringo could have been written in an early version of SL and its very true. It's not technically superior or advanced but its a great idea with wide appeal.

It was not at least my intention to suggest putting pressure on content creators to develop something with wide appeal to entertain the masses. There will always be consumers and producers in SL and it takes both for the whole Second world to go round.

SL can continue on without another great consumer oriented concept like Tringo -- but it sure would not hurt to have another innovation like it.

The opportunity for an individual or a group is there for the taking... and the financial and social benefits will be reaped by most everyone, including Linden Labs, when it happens. Everytime the Wall Street Journal writes the company and the content creator up, the RL PR value is immense.

Each person is here in SL for different reasons. Personally, I'm here for the opportunity to challenge myself to bring about a revolution like Tringo. However sappy it sounds to you, for me it means making a positive difference because I'm a change maker at heart.

Lastly, I attempted in a previous post to convey that I plan to do this without learning LSL or building. After being accused of riding the backs of others, I'd just like to say that the money is never as important to me as the success of an idea. Just ask my SL business partners.

The problem with using this as your centerpiece in an argument about how LL couldn't possibly be anti-business, or couldn't possibly be hobbled by tekkie wiki's, is that in fact it is an excellent example of the problem inherent in the tekkie wiki -- which is that the tekkie wiki either has overall an allergy to commerce (hence all that crap about the selfless $1 or free items to "help newbies) OR the tekkie wiki is ONLY for *his own* commerce.

So this story is about Kermit's *own commerce*. It's not about *anybody else's*. (It's also about LL's *own commerce* in showing off their game as a development polygon for kewl new inventions that can make RL money).

But we all know that anyone who wants to make a business using Kermit's wonderful invention is screwed, because LL has stepped in and limited their "spamming" of the events list, cutting the number of Tringo events and limiting the means to have venues for Tringo events.

It's actually a very typical example of how a tekkie wiki is encouraged, fostered, feted, put on the front page, allowed to make a young fortune, but then any spillover effect that might help a liberal market economy *for other people* is killed dead.

No sooner did Kermit hit the front pages than LL reached into the game and *switched off those using Kermit's invention to make money themselves*. They did this in the name of ending clutter, or icing the overheated economy, or whatever it was, but it was a state intervention in the economy that preserved Kermit's ability to make a dime, but killed everybody else's.

Honestly, it is just so Soviet. Keep all the scientists subsidized in the Academy of Sciences making cool inventions. Use the masses to test the inventions. Then sell the invention on the world market, reaping huge benefits in hard currency for the entire project called "Soviet Academy of Sciences". Reward the scientist a little by letting him keep his patent and the sale of the patent. Then make sure that none of those people who tested the invention or had other ideas for how to use the invention or just wanted to use the invention themselves could make money off it -- reach out and kill off their freedom.

Events is like a unfiltered email in-box. Not many people check 'em, unless they're addicted to Tringo, which I hear is pretty good. That would also explain why there are so many Tringo events as well.

Did you put on an event lately that we weren't able to see due to Tringo clutter, Maxx?

Fuck it. I give up.

Prok, welcome to my ignore list.

LF

Umm...what was that for?

Exposing the actual paucity of actual event production and even actual event attendance by the feted who are screaming the loudest about the lack of filters on the list? Or?

LOL! I just did exactly the same with both Prok and Blaze. I read some of today's posts by them and just thought 'yeah. enough is enough'.

Now if everyone else would stop quoting them...

Until LL provides more technical underpinning that can be used as a framework for marketing and hosting events, the decision to limit event listings was a bad one.

Their decision seems to step outside the role that I sense Phillip wants LL to play. A more reasonable solution would be to provide better search/filter/sort functon to the end user.

Are there other limitations being imposed on Tringo hosts that I'm unaware of? I guess it was a bad example to use, but it seems to me that a creative event host could get around this with subdividing the land the game sits on.

Well, I finally figured him out. His paranoid ramblings and incoherent babbling and long-windedness is eerily similar to the crazy cat lady at zetatalk.com. Go there, the writing style is similar.

Oh well. I imagine I'll get ten more triple neg rates from his accounts, I don't really care.

LF

Just outta interest, is anyone ignoring me?

*wonders who's ignore list she's on*

Woah! I think you might have inadvertently stumbled on something else, too.... ya know how Ulrika goes on and on about Government with loads of condescending links to other material and definitions?

Well.... check this out!

dun dun DUN!

By golly, I hope so. "I give this movie the finger."

Whoah.

Is that lady saying that:

Lense flare on a camera is a sign of doom

&

Red sunsets are a sign of doom

Wow.

I gotta save that site. It's better than Timecube.

Hmm, I bet that Greasemonkey script I wrote up could filter attributed Prime Nuisance quotes...

You are?
I did not know that.
Thanks for disclosing that you are a spokesAV for the many people.

You are?
I did not know that.
Thanks for disclosing that you are a spokesAV for the many people.

LOL long thread...

LF:
I am a creator and have infinite respect for creators. Yet I am also a businessman and appreciate the difficulty of starting/building a business and marketing/packaging/selling a product. Two different things, both hard to do well. In some cases the artist/businessman overlap and help each other bring an innovation to market for the financial benefit of the creator (hopefully) and the enjoyment of the consumer.

With the right tools, SL will evolve to a mix of group-based businesses (corporations, if you will) and creative freelancers. Some people will want to collaborate and some will want to stay solo. That's the way business works in RL, and it will in SL. Virtual reality won't stop that, because it is based on human fundamentals.


Coco:
To revisit some older threads: there are some non-creator jobs within SL, just not as many as some would like. This won't happen until SL-based corporations/business oriented groups become more prevalent.

For those who don't want the hassle of an in-world job, I can't argue with that. Jobs often are not fun. Why have a virtual job when you already have a real one? Use the money from your REAL job to buy your fun/entertainment... whether that be a beer at the pub or a handful of Lindens (cheaper than the beer in many places).

If none of the three options:
1. current SL jobs (also have to find them, of course);
2. creating objects/clothes/scripts for sale (also have to market them, of course);
3. buying Lindens dollars
are acceptable, then the only alternative is to do the hard work and use your creativity to create a new type of "job/service" within SL that you both enjoy and which delivers financial rewards.

Can I get an "Amen!" for brother Forseti.... LOL

Ditto. Ignore for Two, please. I hear whatever bug was taking them off is fixed and I have Cienna's wonderful ignore script running.

~smiles at the thought of gagging the two fools and turns to more productive things~

There's a big difference as far as intent, but in the eyes of the Lindens... it's the same.

I once slipped an RL name of a player. The name had been mentioned by others in the thread and I continued the use of it.

End result: I deleted the posts and was off on a mini-vacation from the forums.

Join us. You'll Be Glad You Did.

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On further consideration, I'll just leave it with this:

You'll never get anywhere in life without learning how to compromise with other people.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671723650

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That's very true.

However, I think you'll find there is a compromise here on both sides. It may not be to elimintate the techi wiki, but it may involve changes in how the techi wiki approaches problems.

whups sorry folks.

<sweet happy thoughts> <sweet happy thoughts>

Now, why am I not surprised that the tekkie wiki is coming up with ways to censor out anything deemed to be a threat to its existence.

Oh, is this how they do it? I imagine that's what the fellow thought when he opened up the door to Room 101.