Certain 'communities' getting leeway?

After reading this entire post I have a serious question to ask. Are you stupid? Or do you just enjoy taking things completely out of context?

Huns. You've known me, lightly, at least in SL, for a while now. You know that the chances of me sporting a dong in public are about as likely as Sean Hannity giving a pants-down spanking to Bill O'Reilly on "Crossfire".

You've also been to Luskwood - and let me just reiterate, that our policy there, is that we ban and eject *known troublemakers* only. Mud Daligdig, the "cock-sporting renamon" in question in this thread, was indeed banned and kicked from Luskwood, because he had, no less than four times, come in to initiate obscene expletive tirades against us for the apparent crimes of loitering on our own land while wearing tails.

It's worth noting that at one of our dance parties, Goons have showed up - and stayed.


Now, this isn't rhetorical: In light of that quote, what do you think would happen if I showed up at W-Hat? I hve a pretty good idea, but I'd like to know, from some of the SA Goons here.

I also should bring up, that Cubey Terra, who is NOT "furry", tried to simply appear at W-Hat wearing one of our fox avs. He was pushgun-shot out of the area on sight.

(Note that anyone in Luskwood who decided to pushgun ANYONE ELSE in Luskwood, would be ejected immediately. We've had people who have wanted to 'shoot goons on sight', and this tactic was, and will continue to be, disallowed.)

I just have my doubts as to whether or not this sign you speak of would be regarded as anything but nonexistent if one of us were to simply show up there.

The word is "context", Ryen.

The problem as I see it, is that many of these SA folks seem to target quite indiscriminately based on "Is the person wearing a furry av or not -- if they are, it's okay to go after them, and then claim it was a big joke."

The first person to get hit by the original influx of SA Goons was Arito Cotton - someone who, as many people know, would much rather walk away than engage anyone in a fight of any sort. (And since the SA attack of that weekend, he most certainly has never really returned to SL in the capacity he was at before.)

I've never seen a W-Hat finding out if this person is "a furry that furries love to hate", nor would that make it 'okay'.

But I see the SA goons coming from an environment where *everyone* hates furries, no matter what or who they are. The SA goons are used to being able to take over any forum/website/"stupid internet presence" that they care to, due to their sheer numbers.

They came to SA, and didn't calculate on the possibility that some of the "stupid fucking furries" that they targeted were actually high-functioning, well known, successful and productive members of SL.

And they seem to stand agape, wondering why everyone isn't rallying *with* them, when they gang up on people who were generally well-liked by the SL residency. After all, they're furry; doesn't everyone hate those freaks?

Michi, I'll reply to your post when you finally decided to read the entire thread, or perhaps just the single post above where I explained the "stupid fucking furry" comment. Of coruse, I'll say in this post that it was taken out of context and I was calling the furry hating goons "fucking stupid", not furries.

This is pretty fucked up, since I remember pretty vividly stating that cubey terra only wears a furry avatar because it is something interesting to the other goons. It does appear that there are MANY bad apples in w-hat. Mud being one of them.

So maybe get rid of them?

Let's see. Who is getting preferential treatment here? I think Ryen and the W-Hats are. All other protests over suspension/banning get locked and/or moved to the off topic section with a nice little statement from Jeska asking that the forums are not the place to appeal. Yet TWO threads protesting Ryen's suspension are still here in the general section.

Yet you're all still crying like a kid who lost his kite.

As far as this particular thread goes, I can't believe some of you dolts are still here arguing after it was brought to light that the numbskull in the furry av with a hard on pic was a W-Hat. Doesn't that embarass or worry you at all? Apparently not. Rock on goonies.

*Hands W-Hatters a pistol, now, go shoot yourself in the other foot*.

Ryen, Huns. Didn't you learn yet that "Some of my friends are <insert appropriate demographic here>" is a bullshit argument? It's the oldest excuse in the book.

Ryen, I am unsure, but are you saying that you should be removed from the group? You, after all, were suspended due to griefing activity right? A suspension you are getting around by using someone else's account. Apparently the Lindens know you're doing it. Now remind me again, WHO is being favored?

I find it very ironic that you folks come here and whine incessantly about being portrayed as a bad group, yet we get statement like Ryen's and other's about some furries deserving to be harassed. Who are you to judge? Who are you to tell others not to judge you when you're busy judging others? Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Now puff your chests out and come back at me with some more self incriminating remarks. Maybe you will grace us with another staged screenshot? Then maybe you can whine some more about how most of you are such good people.

Can I have my pistol back?

If you're bored, go frag each other in Jessie or another game. Leave people who do not wish to participate in your questionable "humor" alone. It's really that simple, and I know you folks understand simple.

what is a furry and a w-hat? I have been here a year but have no clue at all what all you people are talking about.

Another thing, I am pissed to find out that there is a rabbit out there hung better than myself.

WTF?? Since when do I wear a fox av just to be interesting to goons? I bought that av long before W-hat started making ass-hats of themselves in SL, and I really don't give a rat's ass if they find me interesting or not.

Everyone want's to know how it really went down? I'll tell ya. I went to the archery event not to grief, but to actually participate in it. Awhile into it, I told the goons where I was, and they wanted to participate also. Yes, the furry in question was a goon. No, we didn't plan on him whipping his cock out at a Linden, and proceeding to hump him. Hell, Mud (the furry goon) even made the finals in the event. It was afterwards (when he lost, lol) that everything went down. The point is; goon or not, he was dressed as a furry (whilst baring the group name "furvert" and got away (for the time being) with his actions. What I didn't know is that he was later banned (which happened awhile after I posted this thread). So there you have it.


Like I said, we didn't exactly plan on any of that to happen. Mud acted on his own behalf at the archery tournament (so much so, that he created another group name).


The only people here protesting bans, are the people that felt they were punished unjustly. I.E. People that do take the game seriously, care enough to come here and defend themselves. Those who don't could care less about being banned, because they were likely trying to get banned in the first place (like our friend Mud).


I don't have a grudge against furries. If that were a medieval knight whipping his goods at a Linden, this would be a thread about the renaissance people getting preferential treatment.
So goons haven't always seen eye to with furries, so what? My grandfather was a Nazi, and you don't see me running around persecuting jews.

Hey! You troll YOUR way, I will troll MY way.

Oh, I'm sorry, wasn't this thread started by a guy in your group who told a story completely out of its original context? Who are you pointing fingers at and calling stupid while relentlessly you post under "Anne Vindaloo" as Ryen Jade because you got banned for taking part in a hate crime? If you want to talk about stupid, you might want to work on some self-analysis, because I seem to remember there being a time when you pulled a sad mopy, "Don't hate us, we're not all bad guys," and yet still neither you nor anyone from your group has said one thing to redeem themselves, not even that one who popped up and just abuse reported the hell out of everyone (a lot of good that did.) The fact is, you w-hats, goons, SA members--what have you--started by digging a huge hole for yourselves. Then, you dug deeper, and deeper, while anyone with a rational eye and some decent understanding of the situation peered down at you while you stared back up and tried throwing your own crap at us. Then, we pushed all that dirt back in, piling it back on top of you, and now you're left with a muffled voice trapped in your own crap and dirt that you dug up when you pranked, got banned, whined about being banned, later were discovered to be targeting a Furry which you knew was out of some kind of "Furry hatred," used the "Furries don't get in trouble" argument, then were found out that this argument was moot because the "Furry" in your case was a Goon in disguise.

Anyone want a lolli pop? .25 each.

A few notes:

-I don't know if calling this a "hate crime" is appropriate. That seems a bit extreme, as no "crime" was committed. Hate griefing? Sure, probably, maybe. Griefing isn't a "crime", but LL doesn't like it. So, therefore, you get your result of being suspended or banned.

-The "The Goon was in a furry av, and that's why he got away with it" argument is ludicrous, really. I've abuse-reported _other_ furries for wearing genitalia in Luskwood, and they've always been 'handled'. What on earth would LL have to gain by letting people in bunny suits wear cocks ? IF there is preferential treatment, which, after being here since 2003, I say there is not; this treatment would not be qualified only by "whoever is wearing a furry av". That's just nuts. Anyone can put on an animal av. And I'd get suspended for saying 'nipples' in a PG sim jus as quickly as a Goon would. There's no Linden who would then, therefore say, "Oh, he's wearing a wolf av, let him get away with it." It's just a stupid premise. LL doesn't stand to gain by it in any way.

-Nigel, the Linden in question, concerns himself mostly with grid crashes and european members' tech support. From talking to him, he doesn't even seem to know what furry *IS*, forget knowing to give them preferential treatment. Nigel is pretty new, and he's pretty neutral. If he didn't take action at the archery event, it's because he was in another window doing something else, end of story.

The gist of this is, this whole thread was smoke, mirrors, magnets and lasers. Because the Goons can't think of anything new.

Maybe tomorrow they'll put up goatse.cx images, and ask eachother if they have stairs in their house. That'll be novel.

As for judging an entire group by their title? You know what, I'd feel pretty defensive right now if people in the forums were saying the same thing about anyone wearing a furry av. But so far, (and it's been a while), there has been no -correlation- between those wearing said avs and, for example, griefing. Now, I realize W-Hat is trying to turn the tables. And, honestly, I try to tell furries: Do NOT retaliate, do NOT act like a jackass, do NOT act like you're twelve years old in response to W-Hat 'antics'. The whole thing could devolve into an egg-throwing cafeteria foodfight scene within a matter of weeks.

But what it comes down to, Ryen, is you guys are trying different tactics to get us "in trouble with LL', or, if that fails, the rest of SL's residency.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? One day, the rest of the residents of SL will all say, "You know, W-Hat, you're right; I've read SomethingAwful and I sure do guess that, gosh, golly, everyone wearing a furry avatar indeeed DOES enjoy apoplectic fits of strangulation sex with children and kittens while dressed in llama suits! Gee, let's ostracise them! And while we're at it, let's get LL to ban them too!"

If that day comes, then what? Will you guys all jump into the air like a 1980's Toyota commercial and throw a techno-rave-dance-party? Will you have a [MISSION ACCOMPLISHED] banner behind you when you do it? Seems like you guys are pretty set on this. Huh. Sure sounds like the internet is serious business to you guys.

As it turns out, Nigel was in another window doing something... Reporting the incident to another Linden.

I heard someone asking that in the Welcome Area, and passed him a copy of my spiral staircase. I was so sad when he declined

Guess there must be areas of net comedy that have passed me by?

How many people did that, vs. how many people are in W-hat? I'm in that group. Who have I ever harassed, furry or otherwise?

There IS a subgroup of furries that consists of cranks and nutters. I know this, because I have seen what they do, and I even corresponded with one of them. Furries know this as well. If I said that ALL furries were that way, you'd have a case for calling me a bigot, but I didn't. You can call the KKK a bunch of jerks, and it doesn't mean you are slamming the entire white race.

Do you posess even basic reading comprehension skills? I guess you are just taking what you want from what I said, and ignoring the rest.

So, until a furry does something directly offensive to me, I should just pretend that 100% of furries are shiny happy people? I don't think so. I also don't know why you think I am "viciously opposed to Furries of any nature." Every large group has its bad apples. One of the individuals I am talking about arranged to have an acquaintance of mine stalked, in real life, because of some LiveJournal nonsense. Then he wrote a series of e-mails, talking about his little harassment squad as the royal "We," using a writing style you would expect from a SPEKTRE agent in an old James Bond film.

Now you are really talking out of your ass. What is the VERY FIRST THING I said in my post?
Yeah, I hate my friends, is that what you are trying to say? Don't waste any more of my time.

What exactly would I be making an excuse for? I merely said that to back up my claim that I do not have a problem with furries. (As long as they are not acting like creepy real-life stalkers, anyway.) I DO have friends and acquaintances who are furries, in IRC and in SL. Why don't you ask Michi Lumin about all the horrible persecutions I have levelled against her? Or any furry in SL, for that matter? I have never mistreated any of them, and I am a goon.

I have been to events with other SAers, and seen that there were furries at these events, and that there was no trouble.

Based on the group IMs I see from time to time, you may be noticed. Some goons will see it as a novelty. Others will completely ignore you, because they don't care about furries. Don't be surprised if naked people are running around - the HQ is in an M-sim.

Alas, every group has its dumbasses. I have seen that several people have been ejected from W-hat over the last couple of weeks, probably for doing stuff like that.

Anyone in W-hat who ignores that sign risks getting banned from SL and/or being kicked out of the group.

But... you said that some goons had come to your club, and stayed. Would they have done so, and not caused any trouble, if all goons hated furries? Really, they don't. The SA forums have over 30,000 subscribers, as I have said. They come from all walks of life. Some of them hate furries, some are neutral. Some like furries, and some ARE furries. As I said above, goons have attended many events where furries were present, and there was no trouble. I was at a dance just last night in Da Boom where there were furries and goons. During the time I was there, there were no clashes.

By the way, staging a forum invasion from SA is grounds for banishment from SA. If individual goons do that sort of stuff on their own, that's on their heads.

Just to throw in my two cents, and follow up on Huns there. I've been chillin in the W-Hat area and talkin to Goons for a few days now. I wear a furry AV. Hmm, let me list the horrid things that have happened to me

1. Helped a goon with a gun scrpt.

2. Played "Sit in a chair for Lindens"

3. Got orbited by the Dirty Tramp Airlines Trampoline. (That thing is teh funny!)

4. Chatted with the SkyNet creator about go-karts.

5. Recieved more positive ratings from Goons than I ever did from furs.

6. Got invited to join some street theater in the newbie zone. (Eat your breakfast kiddos!)


Gee, the SAGoon crowd/W-hat people are are just Something Awful to furs, belive you me! Anywho, that's enough rambling and ranting from me. Anywho, Mitchi, come drop by W-Hat HQ. We can sit in the chair for Lindens, and discuss all the horribile things SA does to every fur out there.

Let me ask a really stupid question: "What is a goon" ? (told ya it was stupid, but I really don't know).

1. I didn't post the thread.
2.I didn't know it was a gooon dressed as a furry until it was later revealed on these forums, and once I did learn of it I supported his ban 110%.

Agian,I have -no- problem with furries, at all. Talk to Hudson Stryker (own of crimson, an exclusive furry sim) and Stife Onizuka if you want proof of that. Hell, I was even going to help hudson script furry genitalia since he requested it, but I couldn't since it was out of my scripting range, but I did try and I still have a shitty alpha version in my inventory.

A goon is a somethingawful.com forum member.

I think huns replied to this better than I could have.

It's commonly used in RL as well to excuse the behavior of friends or, as in this case with you Ryen, it's just a direct excuse. You targetted a furry, then used the excuse that you have friends that are furries. If I had a dollar for everytime someone used this as an excuse in my presence after offending someone I would be substantially wealthier.

Now for the meat and potatoes. Your initial thread was about the incident that occurred which got you suspended. At first you and your defense team simply chose to try to whitewash it as "humor" and basically called anyone who didn't agree overly sensitive. That was fine though, because we were talking about the core issue, whether or not what your group did that day warranted suspension. Somewhere down the way someone started crying something to the effect of, "you're bad-mouthing all W-hats, Goons, etc.", steering the topic away from the real issue. Most of the people responding against what the W-Hat members were claiming (that it was an unfair suspension) made no generalizations. A couple did and guess what? That same wide sweeping paint brush that you're claiming is being used on the W-Hats, goons etc. is now being used on ALL contrary posters. Ironic isn't it? Most posters that claimed what Ryen and co. did was a grounds for suspension, however, most did not accuse all members SA, the SA Goons, or W-Hat of being griefers. My, aren't we getting sensitive?

Then we get another thread with a bogus story behind the furry with the dick picture. Once it's exposed, you don't want to talk about it anymore and steer it back to the "wahhhh! you're all discriminating against us", yet again. Amusing.

Moral of the story for those who do believe that the incident was an actionable offense; don't get sucked into the spin.

does anyone else think we should submit this forum for the weekend web?

Why? Most of the logic is sound, the posts are readable. Besides, most of the posts are being generated by SA Goons anyway, hence making it pointless.

LF