Certain 'communities' getting leeway?

Anne,

<<Then someone walks up to that particular player and says "Lets surround this guy". Why? I am guessing because they were a "furry", and some goons still hold a grudge agianst furries. Why? Because they are fucking idiots. I think "What the hell, no harm will come out of this" and walk to join the rest.>>

And there you have, in a nutshell, the reason why your ban was justified.

I think the point of the original post is that WE get in trouble for showing off genitalia in public (out parcel and Baku itself are rated Mature), while some furry can wave it around in front of a Linden and have him not even blink.

Edit: Actually, I just get to hear that the archery area, where the pictures have been taken, was rated PG.

Selador--I agree with you (and the Lindens) COMPLETELY and I'm surprised others didn't catch this. Ryen, you -knowingly- and -willingly- took part in what you've admitted was some kind of "hate crime," simply because you somehow decided it wasn't going to be harmful? Because you "followed the rest?" *shudder* I won't even start, here.

Next...

"Some goons have a thing against furries," you admit--and finally you have provided a basis for players to distrust, disrespect, and devalue the label "Goon." Explain why generalizations about the Goons are inappropriate now. After all, if "Some Goons" hate Furries, enough to get multiple persons to surround a Furry and invoke an Abuse Report, who is to say there's an obvious reason to dislike the Goons.

A hate crime, hmmm, why am I not surprised.

What is hilarious, the lie? insinuating that the other person is stupid for believing you? Sorry, your humor is sick, not funny. Humor at the expense of another person is sick.

Or perhaps what is really funny is that you won't take your punishment, that you will not apologize without disclaimers that invalidate the apology. These are actions one expects of a child. A grown-up accepts responsibility for their actions.

I should also mention that the archery competition was on a PG parcel.

edit: ah, beaten. Well, everyone should be reading Clio's post anyway, she makes a good point.

Bye Bye Ryen - this just reinforces my case. Someone gets upset. You find it hilarious. You are not someone I want to encounter in my first OR second lives.

I can't find where I read it, but I remember reading that Ryen is ... hmmmm ... extremely young.

Maybe we need "Young adult" SL for ages 18 to 24, and regular SL for 25+ (only half joking)

Whoever this "Ryen" guy is, he is not a W-hat "ringleader". He is a MEMBER of W-hat, and is not an officer of the group. *I* am an officer of the group, how individual members act is up to THEM.

Please judge everyone on an individual basis. Not all of us are troublemakers. Thank you.

1) When a group of W-Hat members get together and act together, even tell people that they are acting as a part of the W-Hat group they reflect on the group.

2) Since you are an officer of the group please make a statement for the group concerning the actions of this faction.

3) Please state what diciplinary action has beeen taken against these involved members.

I can't talk about disciplinary action taken. It's none of your business anyway.

I did make a statement. If you want to read about us, read our group description.

From the W-Hat group charter: "- To place prime importance on integrity and sound management with utmost respect for the individual."

This seems at odds with the actions of the significant fraction of W-Hat that was involved in the mime incident. The denial or actions, use of alts by banned members and non-respect of certain other groups does not agree with the charter statement. Thus we await W-Hat group action against the W-Hat members involved in the mime incident. They, by their own statements were acting as W-Hat members.

Then I call the W-Hat group a bunch of griefers hiding behind a charter you do not abide by.

Brodie, what does "I can't discuss disciplinary action" mean to you?
What does it matter to you anyway? Go spend your day off with a loved one.

It means that you choose not to, that you perhaps agree with the group actions. That W-Hat is not offering an apology for their member's actions.

It's the same old garbage everytime one or more of them oversteps the ToS.
Come cry on the boards (it's just a game? Why then come cry like momma pulled you away from the teats too soon?), and generally try to make everyone that sees the validity of a ban or suspension look like a stick in the mud, all blanketed in the *humor* defense. Let's not forget threats of acct. cancellation and the rest of the junior high mentality responses this seems to evoke from these*victims* You're victims alright, victims of your own arrogance and stupidity.

Sorry folks, but the burden is on you when imposing your brand of humor on others, not those you choose to target with it.

The disaffected act is getting old.

I don't give a damn if Phillip Linden is a W-Hat. If someone in the group violates the ToS, c'est la vie. You folks can name drop as much as you want about old, respected members of the community being in this group and you can get them to come in here and make vague, defensive statements for you. It only serves to further promote the bad impression people have of you, and honestly makes me raise an eyebrow with regard to the persons whose names are being dropped, especially when they choose to come and deal with it in public rather than internally.

I am sure some of your bright stars will have some really poignant insults to toss my way, frankly it would be just par for the course and I welcome any and all exposure you provide the public with regards to your collective demeanor.

If im reading this thread correctly its OK for me to strap on a dong and head out into public PG areas as long as I wear some fur.

I don't think anyone said that. Nice of you to speak for everyone though.

The very premise of this thread is about as mature as little Johnny telling on his little sister after mom busted him for something unrelated. Classic evasion of responsiblity through re-assignment of blame.

Not to mention, if it really bothers you , do what the folks did at that club when the mimes came in. Report them. Coming to the forums with the intent to point fingers at other people and/or to attempt to divert the spotlight from yourself is is not only counter productive, it also keeps the spotlight on you.

Whether or not the Lindens were justified in the banning a number of our members, the fact still stands that there's a Linden out there that doesn't care if a particular group of people (or perhaps, just that person)severely breaks rules.

Yaknow, I'm gonna haveta agree with the W-Hats here. This "certian community" does seem to get abit more leeway from the Lindens, be it intentional or not. I know of quite a few who've made the statement, and proved "fur-clothing" By walking around a PG sim sans-clothed. Do this with a normal avie, yer gonna get busted. Also, take a flight through Dusun areas when they are populated. if you don't bounce yer skull off a 10x10 porn pic floating out in the open, yer lucky.

Anywho, my 2 cents..take as you will.

I kinda find that hard to believe, Bak. Isn't the whole purpose of being an SA Goon to BE a troublemaker, and isn't W-hat just an SL haven for goons?

That's why you get banned over at SA for a lot of troublemaking, right? Because being a goon implies being a troublemaker to boot!

(edited to remove racial attack)

Well, of course you agree. You are an SA Goon, and hate furries by default. I can't comment on the picture that was taken cause I can't see it well enough to determine what the thing actually was. But I guaran-damn-tee you that if that was taken in a pg area, and it was a dick. The Linden that was present would have taken action if he/she had seen it. Just because a Linden is there doesn't mean he is 'there'. They are often caught up in IMs and such, or AFK doing Linden type duties. All someone had to do was send an IM to him, and the situation would have been taken care of quickly.

Ryen, THAT, statement is low, SPECIALLY, for you. Makes me ashamed of you. Of course when talking bout goons that kinda thing is perfectly true.

I have read through this entire thread, and I have one question. Who is this "offending" furry? For all we know, its just some troublemaker in a furry av trying to stir up trouble and make furries look bad. Furry avs aren't exactly rare, and can be easily purchased. The av in question is fairly common.

I don't expect names to be named (possible TOS violation), but the 2nd pic implies that this furry was clearly flaunting its deelio at a Linden. I'd guess this happened because said Linden was afk or too busy with IMs to notice.