Please have a backbone, Linden Lab

You know what I don't get ...it's been all of two days from the initial post...a holiday weekend I might add and the offence was a pic sent to an of site web blog. Everyone seems to want to lynch a Linden withought realizing That the lindens have to investigate this thoruoghly before they can act...I think you'll find LL will do the right thing if given a chance to do it.

She also has an english version of the "Final Solution" speech in an audio file (the multi wav thing) that she played for me. She also was building a rail road to help bring people to the camp. It was quite a site to see, wish I had taken a screenshot. She hasnt bugged me or the island since she was slapped on the wrist to my knowledge. If that doesnt get you permabanned then I guess the gloves are off for good. Not exactly the right message LL is sending IMO.

Nope. They had a chance on the issue I was discussing above. Its been over a month. All she got was a 2 week ban for having a concentration camp, SS uniforms, swastikas, dead/hanging concentration camp members, sound bytes of hate speech, etc. They could have checked her inventory and seen for themselves. I feel LL does care but are under staffed and things like this unfortunately gets past the system. Or maybe they treat this on the same level as Beavis Newb using C4 at a Best in Black contest?

Talen attempting to hold LL accountable is not a lynching.

What I don't get is why you are being so obtuse in multiple threads, Talen. This has nothing to do with the picture - which is not a TOS violation since it was sent offsite. It was shown as an illustration of the kind of stuff going on in SL - the same KKK group shown in that picture has griefed multiple people with cross burnings, racial slurs, etc.. This thread is not about one incident - it is about incidents occuring over and over again in SL over the past two years, with little punishment.

This is not about one set of anti-gay signs, one cross burning, one racial slur, one death threat, one anything. This is about a pattern of behavior that has received a slap on the wrist from the Lindens time and again. If you don't understand that, it cannot be explained any more than it has. I am not lynching the Lindens at all - I am asking them to stand up and actually enforce their own policies about this stuff in a way that shows they do take it seriously.

Stop trying to lynch the Lindens. This event happened weeks ago. There were probably some holiday weekends thrown in there too. I am sure when LL invents a time machine, they will have addressed this specific incident within 24 hours of when it occurred.

I mean it was just Nazi propaganda, right? Who is LL to judge if they want Nazis creating Nazi content on servers that they own?

On a side note: Does your forum AV have a nose?

I do understand it and I didn't say you personally are lynching but others in this thread ARE.
I would rather have LL take their time, document , and do their due dilligence in order to permaban the individuals once and for all than have the residents control the situation.

I'me sure LL has a system of balance and checks that they use and I would bet the fasrm this isn't being taken lightly as many in this thread have stated.

I am *so* gonna get in trouble for this.

And maybe I'm missing something here...but is this whole fracas over one snapshot? I bet the people who made it are off giggling up a storm somewhere in thier parent's basement or something. So a burning cross is built and someone makes the pointy hat Klan avis. Who cares? I'm sorry, but this is the same thing as people saying Marilyn Manson and D&D cause school shootings. Idiots in white sheets don't cause the real damage...bouncers who beat a black man to death at a New Orleans club do. When are people going to learn that symbols are only imbued with power if you give them that power?

I'm sorry, but if I got a photo of two yutzs in white dancing around a burning cross, I wouldn't display it for all to see saying, "Look how wrong this is...something must be done!" I'd file the photo where it truly belongs...in the Trash folder.

"Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself."
J. K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, 1997
British fantasy author

I wasn't going to post this, but what the fuck.

Right after the Grandduke Ferdinand posted the KKK image, somebody else posted an image of Philip Linden hanging out at the prim rig. In that picture, Grandduke Ferdinand was STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO HIM.

I IM'd Philip with a link to the KKK pic, and said that I noticed he was standing right next to the guy from a subsequent pic. In the IM, I said something to the effect of "Hey, while you are standing there next to Grandduke, why don't you have a conversation with him about (link)?".

Not only did I not receive an answer of any substance, but he didn't even throw in an "ok" or "that is horrible", or anything at all. Not even an "I am busy right now". No reply whatsoever. Maybe I should have used live help?

That is a rather nosey question!

Liona, this isn't about one specific incident. This behavior is constant, and shown by the same people time and time again. So, yes, I do think you are missing something. But I don't think you will get in trouble for it.

I don't want them to rush to any action either - I simply am really saddened by seeing this happen again and again to people. I know from my own experiences with it, watching the offenders still be around, often times at the same time while on suspension, that it has been taken lightly in my estimation. The fact that someone who made direct death threats to someone in their profile still has an active account (with the profile edited) is another testament to that.

It's a maddening cycle of abuse that has every visible appearance of not being taken seriously. As others have stated in this thread, I am incredibly supportive of Linden Lab under most circumstances - it is why this has been so disappointing.

Liona,

Refer to my reply to Talen above yours please.

Is historical re-enactment allowed?

Just wondering.....

Your response "" doesnt have a nose either.

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Anything within the TOS and CS (or whatever they are called) should be allowed. This was clearly not within the TOS. If you knew the person there would be ZERO doubt the reason behind it. And if you are doing a historical re-enactment that contains material that technically violates the TOS, then you should contact LL before starting or implementing such projects.

Well, it would be nice if we could actually be informed of these incidents in the thread. I'm all for booting racist griefers...but before I take up a torch and pitchfork, I need a bit more evidence than the one photo that's been supplied.

The reason I'm missing something is because everyone seems to be assuming everyone knows what's going on.

Liona,

I quoted my own response instead of making you search for it.

I have no problem with someone building an historically acurrate cencentration camp, or any other ugly or tragic build from history, as long as they aren't using it to preach hate against anyone.

Our human history is filled with very ugly moments, and it's valuable that we face up to them and remember them and learn by them. I don't even care if someone runs around in a nazi uniform, as long as he isn't preaching nazi ideals.

Building and using images from our past, or what could be our future shouldn't be dis-allowed, only hate speech or text that all too often accompanies such activities.

As distasteful as we find something, our freedoms are very important. As long as someone isn't harassing, using hate speech or infringing on someone else's personal freedoms, then who am I to tell them what to create or believe.

Of course dropping images on anothers land or using it to taunt a neighbor would be a different story all together.

Hmm..not sure I made any sense here..

It was purely tongue-in-cheek!

I totally agree with ya, but many of the people in this thread would not, they WANT censorship of anything remotely 'hate speech' when it comes to bigotry (not that I'm blaming them for being concerned). They want no exceptions, no leeway just complete censorship of anything anti-race/sexual preference, that's what they want and don't try and intellectualise the free speach arguement, they will not listen to you and will call YOU a bigot, trust me it happened to me....

Anyone relating the recent 'concentration camp' incident as a historical recreation has no clue what they are talking about. Sure there could be a tasteful 'memorial' or something done, but in this case there is zero doubt as to the motives. And I think most people in this thread simply want the TOS enforced.

Well, my point is that the creation of such a build is not in-itself hate speech or pro-racism or nazism. I am against someone preaching to others in SL about any such thing. But I don't see how building historically accurate builds of terrible places in our history is against the ToS.

If you are referring to me, please give it a rest. I didn't call you a bigot. I called you a poor apologist and naive. If you want to intellectualize to concept of free speech to it's abstraction, I will call you on the destructive nature of doing so. We are (and have been for many months) been talking about specific incidents of threats of violence and hate-crimes. If you would like a list of them, contact Cristiano Midnight.

You aren't the victim here, but if you really really need validation, I suggest you head on over to the Notices and Well Wishes forum.