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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
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11-04-2004 08:04
yea the math thing....i think that includes people under 17 no? im really not for sure..but i think they count as citizens. i think the average family has 2 kids per 2 adults...soooo, with some quick math...lets say 1/2 of them are a family, and have 2 kids...there is some fuzz... 20% of Americans actively support Bush through the electoral process --How is that fuzzy? Whether they are of age isn't the issue or even part of my point. You have 20% of Americans deciding the fate of us all. |
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Dhuzunt Playfair
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 41
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11-04-2004 08:04
haha...myra...."if we survive another 4 years...he wont be pres again." your right there...but do you know why???
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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11-04-2004 08:05
actually --with only 40% of the US population voting --and considering that Bush won 51% of that vote --only about 20% of the American People support him. Maybe more accurate to say 20% of the people VOTED for the president. "Support" is a fuzzy term that can range from "agree with" to "actively helping". While you didn't say it, your statement could be interpreted as "80% disagree with the president" which I doubt is the case. A few 2004 factoids: Bush was the first incumbent president to increase his majority in both the Senate and the House and to increase his own vote (by over 3.5 million) since Franklin D. Roosevelt. Bush is the first president to win more than 50% of the popular vote since 1988. (Bill Clinton failed to twice) Bush was the first president to receive more than 59 million votes, breaking Ronald Reagan's old record of 54.5 million. I am not trying to be a blazing conservative here. I just think that Democrats need some perspective. If the plan for the 2008 election is to assume Bush won because of cheating, lying, stealing, and stupid american voters then they can expect to stay out of power for a long time. There needs to be a better way to drive home the pricipals of the American Left than Michael Moore, draft scares, manhattan die-ins, and forged documents. The left needs to highlight the success of leftist policies in places like Canada, Holland, and France, and show the American people how we can enjoy those same benefits. Going the way of comparing Bush to Hitler is not only repulsive...but I think it's also going to make Democrats lose every election year. Just my 2 cents. -aimee |
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Dhuzunt Playfair
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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11-04-2004 08:05
kendra....how many support kerry? just wondering, cuz i think because he lost...that means the same thing on him, right?
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Myra Loveless
The Wandering Glitch
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 89
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11-04-2004 08:05
haha...myra...."if we survive another 4 years...he wont be pres again." your right there...but do you know why??? a precident was set in the early 20th century when a former president refused to take elected office a third time. it was later ratified into an amendment. _____________________
If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same prinicples -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
-- From the programming notebooks of a heretic, 1990 |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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11-04-2004 08:06
51% of 40% is infact 20.4% so he's right, about 20%... Uhmmm --I'm a girl. |
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Myra Loveless
The Wandering Glitch
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 89
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11-04-2004 08:07
Bush was the first president to receive more than 59 million votes, breaking Ronald Reagan's old record of 54.5 million. I am not trying to be a blazing conservative here. I just think that Democrats need some perspective. How's a rising population for perspective? We can only really use ratios, if we use the number of people then we lose sight of the fact that the number of people in the United States has more than doubled since 1988. _____________________
If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same prinicples -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
-- From the programming notebooks of a heretic, 1990 |
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Myra Loveless
The Wandering Glitch
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 89
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11-04-2004 08:08
Uhmmm --I'm a girl. Terribly sorry, my deepest appologies! I dated a guy named "Kendra" once in the real world :/ so sorry _____________________
If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same prinicples -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
-- From the programming notebooks of a heretic, 1990 |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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11-04-2004 08:10
kendra....how many support kerry? just wondering, cuz i think because he lost...that means the same thing on him, right? Why paint it as an "either-or"? I said nothing about Kerry. My point is -- 20% of a country voting (supporting) for a candidate does not equal a mandate for George W. Bush. very simple -- not fuzzy. |
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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11-04-2004 08:10
How's a rising population for perspective? We can only really use ratios, if we use the number of people then we lose sight of the fact that the number of people in the United States has more than doubled since 1988. For any given election both candidates have an equal shot at "Most Votes record" since the population increase benefits both. The perspective is, these records are being set by Republican rather than Democrats. |
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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11-04-2004 08:11
Why paint it as an "either-or"? I said nothing about Kerry. My point is -- 20% of a country voting (supporting) for a candidate does not equal a mandate for George W. Bush. very simple -- not fuzzy. Given your definition a mandate is largely impossible for any president to achieve. |
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Dhuzunt Playfair
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 41
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11-04-2004 08:11
Ha Ha...you guys all rock...this is so much fun! THANK GOD FOR SL...i have so much fun talking to you guys and stuff. Seriously no hard feelings on our discussions I hope...(whenver its time to go back the SL...the actual game..LINDENS HURRRY PLS). Thx so much for talking and voicing your opinion...I have learned many things today, seriously and honestly...thank you all!
even the john kerry fans...hehe.. ;P |
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Myra Loveless
The Wandering Glitch
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 89
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11-04-2004 08:12
For any given election both candidates have an equal shot at "Most Votes record" since the population increase benefits both. The perspective is, these records are being set by Republican rather than Democrats. Ok? Your point? All that means is Republicans are better at getting people to let them lead... Power doesn't corrupt, it attracts the alread corrupted. Point in case... Someone watches me punt a griefer out of Morris and they come back and start begging me for the gun. Power attracts the already corrupted... Of course you need to kind of back off of the whole "Democrat BAAAAAAD, Myra BAAAAAD" mentality here because I vote on the issues, NOT on the party. The party system is unamerican to begin with, many of our founding father specifically WARNED against a party system. People should vote on what the issues are, NOT on whose card they carry. It's not that I don't like republicans... I simply don't like Bush... I don't give a rat's ass what party he is, I don't like him, I don't trust him. I simply find it difficult to trust anyone who wants me to let them lead me. _____________________
If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same prinicples -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
-- From the programming notebooks of a heretic, 1990 |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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11-04-2004 08:14
Given your definition a mandate is largely impossible for any president to achieve. exactly |
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Dhuzunt Playfair
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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11-04-2004 08:15
UHhhhh, we need a chat room!
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Myra Loveless
The Wandering Glitch
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 89
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11-04-2004 08:16
UHhhhh, we need a chat room! Oh heck no! Besides, we have one... it's called SL *rimshot* _____________________
If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same prinicples -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
-- From the programming notebooks of a heretic, 1990 |
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Kacey Anubis
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 11
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11-04-2004 08:16
Well the pres is about to speak and weither you like him or hate him I hope that you all listen and see what it is that he has to say!
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Myra Loveless
The Wandering Glitch
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 89
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11-04-2004 08:17
Well the pres is about to speak and weither you like him or hate him I hope that you all listen and see what it is that he has to say! I would, but last time I had him on, my roommate blew the TV up. _____________________
If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same prinicples -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
-- From the programming notebooks of a heretic, 1990 |
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Kacey Anubis
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 11
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11-04-2004 08:17
see that is kinda sad
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Hank Ramos
Lifetime Scripter
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,328
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11-04-2004 08:21
UHhhhh, we need a chat room! There is one on IRC, on the efnet network, room #secondlife _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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11-04-2004 08:23
exactly LOL OK then. Ok? Your point? All that means is Republicans are better at getting people to let them lead... Power doesn't corrupt, it attracts the alread corrupted. Point in case... Someone watches me punt a griefer out of Morris and they come back and start begging me for the gun. Power attracts the already corrupted... Of course you need to kind of back off of the whole "Democrat BAAAAAAD, Myra BAAAAAD" mentality here because I vote on the issues Wait..was i saying "Democrat baaaad" ? I think you misunderstood me. Nothing to do with party principals, it had to do with attitude and technique. To me Gay rights = Good... comparing Bush to Hitler = Bad. And while I WAS kinda criticizing the Democratic Strategy since it lost the house in 94, the point I was REALLY trying to drive home was... Its not WORKING and there needs to be a change in tone and technique. A little more "We are great" and a little less "THEY SUCK". -aimee |
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Myra Loveless
The Wandering Glitch
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 89
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11-04-2004 08:28
A little more "We are great" and a little less "THEY SUCK". Welcome to politics... Even candidates who swear to not mudsling eventually end up doing it. On both sides! Personally i got sick of the mudslinging from both Kerry AND Bush in BOTH directions... So fed up that when I went to vote, I did a write in ballet for the StayPuft Marshmallow Man... Seriously! Neither one of them deserved my vote. Voting for third and fourth party candidates that I've never heard the names of nor had any opportunity to even know they exist (due to the corruption that is a party system) isn't exactly something I concider ethical. _____________________
If the designers of X-Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed the same prinicples -- but you'd be able to shift gears with your car stereo. Useful feature, that.
-- From the programming notebooks of a heretic, 1990 |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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11-04-2004 08:30
LOL OK then. Wait..was i saying "Democrat baaaad" ? I think you misunderstood me. Nothing to do with party principals, it had to do with attitude and technique. To me Gay rights = Good... comparing Bush to Hitler = Bad. And while I WAS kinda criticizing the Democratic Strategy since it lost the house in 94, the point I was REALLY trying to drive home was... Its not WORKING and there needs to be a change in tone and technique. A little more "We are great" and a little less "THEY SUCK". -aimee On a point of strategy --I agree with you. However -- "Bush = Hitler" isn't a strategy for me. It's my heartfelt opinion. I'm not running for a position in Government. |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
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11-04-2004 08:35
On a point of strategy --I agree with you. However -- "Bush = Hitler" isn't a strategy for me. It's my heartfelt opinion. I'm not running for a position in Government. There's a difference in Bush and Hitler...Bush has aggression with spreading freedom..Hitler had aggression in Genocide and Cleansing for the 3rd Reigh. _____________________
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
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11-04-2004 08:38
There's a difference in Bush and Hitler...Bush has aggression with spreading freedom..Hitler had aggression in Genocide and Cleansing for the 3rd Reigh. wow! That's the ONLY difference you see? It's worse than I thought then!!!! |