Disgusting, Disgraceful, and Disturbing...

Kinda strange why Bush is a Jerk for going into Iraq but when Clinton went into The Balkins without permission by the United Nations it was no problem lol. Sorry I couldn't resist again! Dammit! This is addicting!

I had to scan most of this thread briefly because I wanted to stay on the main topic (plus I can read all the political debates in the Off Topic forum). hehe.. So I'll respond to your original post Omen. And I'll respond much the same way Flip did. When you see things like that and find them offensive, if they do not violate the TSO and you do not feel like getting into a debate with the "offending" person, then do exactly what you did do. Fly away. And if you need to vent, find your friends and let off your steam (we all need to vent sometimes!) SL is a very diverse community and is a great experiment to see how very different cultures can come together and make one world.

The scene you describe would not have "offended" me (it actually takes a lot to do that), but I can certainly say it would have made me roll my eyes and know at least that I would not agree with that person on their politics. But I have many friends that do not have the same politics as myself. Actually I would say *most* of my friends do not. So I tend to avoid talking politics with friends myself. I consider myself a Libertarian/Independent, but personally I am happy with the way the election turned out.

At least LBJ had the class not to run for re-election in similar circumstances.
Bush never had my respect -- but he earned my distrust when he decided to run for (Re?) election.

Seems like he gained your dis-respect for legally winning? Im not sure I understand. Not that either one could have done a better job..and I did like Clinton he is a nice guy that got caught up in a SecondLife in Real Life lol.

I've looked up the flag laws due to an off board comment that said I really needed to check the information out for myself. Here it is

Flag Rules and Regulations

Title 4, Chapter 1: The Flag

Sec. 8 - Respect for the Flag

a. The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

To show YOUR ignorance on the matter at hand, re-read your Regulations - You know who you are. You made me think anyone could do this in distress. This person did not turn down the union in their prim flag because they were in "instances of extreme danger to life or property." Symbolically turning it down for "general distress" is BS and in conflict with the laws. I guess any time I'm feeling a little distressed about gridlock on the freeway Monday mornings, according to some of you, I can just fly my flag upside down? No. And I thank you for bringing it up in the first place, because now I have the real facts.

And don't argue that they are in distress over the republic. That very well may be, but it says DIRE distress in the EXTREME. So until some kind of foreign invasion is threatening life or property, there is no reason to fly the flag union down.

I completely take back what I said in response to legalities over this, thinking that just flying it half mast would suffice in trying to reach a reasonable agreement over it. I was uninformed and didn't realize this information that follows:

ONLY the President or State Governor can order the flag to half mast on days which are already not declared days in which the flag shall fly half mast in full or partial time during the day.

Damn some of you for making me feel inferior to you with inaccurate or incomplete facts. And damn me for believing them. That's my fault for taking the information without checking on it, but...you were wrong.

I will admit fully that my reasons for finding the flag offensive the way it was, was NOT because of these reasons, because I wasn't aware of them and never brought them up in my original post. I had my own reasons. And now, thanks to you, I'm only futher justifed by law, in disliking this.

LOL this is very amusing...

Amusing because my 8 year old even knows this... he was just talking to me about it 2 days ago.Amazing....

exactly. Some of us find this to be the case.

He had my dis-respect from the git go. He EARNED my mistrust for deciding to run for President a second time after serving four years in a Presidency where in a just world he would be impeached and tried as a war-criminal.

Maybe you could explain to us what his War Crimes are? And explain what Saddam's War Crimes aren't? And do you agree with Dictators having Billions of dollars of power to be able to buy weapons? Do you not agree that the whole world should have freedom? And do you agree that Dictators should control a major resource of our economical structure like Oil and Gas that the free nations are so dependant on? One that has slaughtered hundreds of thousands and continued to breach the United Nations resolutions for 12 years? And one that fired missles on our no fly zone Jets? And regardless of finding no weapons of mass destruction..the facts still remain valid on these reasons because they exist regardless of the weapons of mass destruction that were never found.

You feel dire distress and are in an instance of extreme danger to life or property, right now? I find that hard to believe, unless you happen to live in a really rough neighborhood. j/k

It's like me saying I'm in distress over a catastrophic earthquake hitting the west coast and wasting everything and everyone in its path. Sure, that could be a legitimate reason for distress, but it isn't dire. That situation hasn't happened, isn't about to happen, nor can it be determined if it even will (bad example, scientists need not point out the data here). So until someone/something is actually threatening you or your property, I just don't see how anyone can justify it this way.

Especially considering the determination of this President to keep this country and its citizens safe.

Edit: Added more response

I must consult this child immediately.

Seriously though. They never taught us any of this in US History, regretably. Then again, my History teacher was a Hockey Coach and kind of nuts.

Though it's nice to hear your son knows about things like this at such an age. Awesome.

Edit: Didn't see Sensual refer to his child as a he, removed the additional /daughter from son

I second that. I am sad, offended and afraid for my countries future. Because I feel this way does not make me any less American.

President William Clinton had the backing of the UN they did not take a vote, but all were in general agreement

Well..all the nations that are in Iraq now with us are in general agreement. And as for some of the other Nations..they are certainly not gonna agree to mess up any deals that they had with Saddam.

Warcrimes. Well the biggest warcrime that George the Second has committed is Unprovoked war. And waging war against a nation at peace, and waging war against a nation that had not attacked the US.

Bush should now be at the Hague standing trial for these warcrimes.

Billions of Dollars? If that were so, I would think Iraq would have had an army, not a suped up police force of 11,000 with a few tank rounds, and nothing more. This is what Saddams army was upon our illegal invasion of Iraq.

lets see, we have one outlaw nation, United States of America, and a bunch of small nations, I think of the largest nation in there (After Hungary and Poland pull out) would be Kenya.

I don't think they were at Peace..they were attacking our No Fly Zone Jets and continously disregarding the UN Resolutions. Tell me would you want to live and be ruled by Saddam? lol. Should we have let Saddam grow like we did Hitler by not intervening in time only to lose more soldiers by the time we did? If we don't establish a stretegic foothold on freedom in the Oil regions..and take a stand for freedom now..later down the road it may be too late.

Actually, everyone who thinks freely is at major high risk. The christian junta now in control of the United States will soon begin moving against free thought and other rights under the bill of rights.

The UN thought they were obeying their rules. And shooting at intruders is not attacking. Besides they were using old World War 2 20MM guns and no missiles.

PANTHER FARBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

""""" With it now apparent that a majority of the voters are stupid( i pray that its just a majority of ppl who voted and not an actual majority of the population of the US) they have every reason to hate the ppl of the US also. """""

WHAT!

1st thing, I think you might need to talk to someone about being somewhat retarded, no, you really do need to talk to a professional!!!

2nd thing, STFU

3rd thing...Anyone can post a cut and paste copy of why they dont like Bush. You are like everyother Hippy/Traitor in this country, your a sheep, Baaaa. You follow...just cause someone says something that sounds cool to you. Your like a lil kid in the backround yelling, "yea, yea, get him!".

4th thing, STFU

5th thing, educate yourself on the lies of both canidates wether done on purpose by either party. You obviously listen to some very Bi-partisan talk radio and no one is swayed either way are they? Thought so...and Ill leave you with

a 6th...STFU



and have a nice day...go smoke some pot, do some drugs, burn the flag....HIPPYS
Have you ever been in a fight in RL? Like ever had to defend yourself or anything?
Maybe you should be pres and see how you do...THINK you braindead freak THINK!!!



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This is Second Life. Most of us will at one time or another see something we don't like or disagree with or goes against our views or beliefs, in world. But if it's not against TOS, then we have to deal, fly away, poof or go to another world that's structured and stifling. So, just like in real life, when faced with something you find distatesful, turn your tv channel, your radio dial, etc. You can get it off your chest in forums, but always know there will be those who agree and disagree.

Doesn't matter if they were using a bee bee gun..shooting at us is an attack.

That's called enforcing, er supporting "morality".

No..Iraq didn't have it..Saddam did lol. You mean to tell me him controlling major Oil Fields he wasn't making Billions? It's a good thing he wasn't as smart as Hitler was.