Omg They Did It!

Folks...most of our darling little 13-17 year olds are not wide-eyed and innocent. You don't think they are being exposed to sexually oriented material-words-acts on a daily basis in RL now? Hell..my son is 11, about to be 12, and he constantly shocks me with the phrases he already knows. Many of them are probably already sexually active, or could be if they chose. So I wouldn't worry overly much if Bobby and Trish try to bump pixels at some point.

Also, 13-17 is a wonderfully creative time, full of passions and emotions. This Kid-grid will give them the outlet to do almost anything, and I think some of thier content will be amazing. My son is already catching up to me on computer skills and learns things far faster than I.

Now, having said that, I also think that the poor Kiddy Liasons are gonna be driven insane by the vast amount of tomfoolery and chaos that ensues.

SL already allows 18 year olds, so which is worse? An 18 year old coming into SL with no clue and only having been exposed to violent, chaotic shoot-em-ups? Or an 18 year old that has spent a year on the kid-grid learning to script, build, etc.

And the worry over pedophiles preying on them..well..I don't see how this would be any different than on any other kid site on the web. If anything, it will be safer and more secure (I hope). I'm sure LL will definitely STRONGLY encourage everyone to report any unappropriate behavior, and will probably insist on PG content and actions, as much as possible. (Poor liasons)

Oh great, a grid i am legally allowed on!!! (lol, just joking. But this could well be the case.)
If it keeps them outta our grid, i'm fine. But what about the building limitations??? How can LL stop them making M stuff??? For LL, it'll definately help, as it means we'll get another huge migration of There refugees. If i kid can convinve their parents to let them go on Kidie SL, they can can convince them to let them go on SL. Btw, will the Kiddie Client go under the same name?? If not, what will it be called??? I suggest l33t life!!!

Remember, all teenagers are immature jerks, so we can't have any in SL.

And of course, just because someone turns 18 doesn't mean they're mature, so none of them, either!

And anyone who was ever young might have lingering traces of immaturity, so we better ban anyone from SL who didn't spring full-grown into the world at an age of at least 25.

Yeah.

But..but..I'm immature and I'm 44!!

Actually, I think it is a good idea to have an SL for them. I just don't want 'em in our world ... and since they aren't going to be, then my post is actually quite useless.

Personally, I would have loved to have something like this when I was a teenager ...

I have mixed feelings about kids and Second Life. In a perfect world I think it would be a wonderful place for kids to interact and learn from other kids. And I cant stress enough "Other Kids". I know they can teach adults quite a few things about, computers, games, and all kinds of other things but this should be for kids. And I really do think it is a wonderful idea. But this is far from a perfect world, And I would like to present the following argument for for discussion. Hopefully positive Ideas and constructive feed back will evolve from it. Maybe someone out there has a way to ensure the protection of these kids.
As adults we need to prove we are adults by using credit cards for entry and so on and this is done by law to deny access to minors to adult themed material. So how is Linden going to protect the kids against adults? By saying if you do not have a credit card you must be a kid! (LOL). You are quite naive if you think this will not become the biggest pedophile playground on the internet! And the argument that Kids are doing things anyway does not cut it. What minors do with minors is one thing, what adults do with minors can be criminal. And if one kid gets hurt by a low life slime He/She met in Second Life The 8 million dollars will last one month in legal fees and Second Life will join the afterlife. When You invite minors anywhere you are responsible, for the reasonable safety of the kids, period end of discussion. If I was on a Jury, and I was asked is internet company XYZ and its officers guilty of aiding and abetting in the criminal endangerment of a minor by soliciting and offering a place for them to congregate in the presence of the defendendant? I would answer yes in one second because they knew of the threat! And I believe if you knew of the threat and you did not protect and guard against it you are guilty. There is in my opinion no plausable deniability in "We did not know there were pedophiles on the internet'. I myself currently know of no way to ensure their safety so I would not solicit them to join. Also, I have seen no evidence that the safety of the kids has taken priority over revenue stream.

I suspect this is the initial downfall of SL. I would never had imagined kids being allowed in, even with a separate grid. Having that grid and knowing there's an adult grid, makes it even more tempting for them to come over to it.

Seeing since Linden Labs, *is* an internet service provider (in the sense of the word). If something happens, I'd imagine that LL would be liable for it. That's what scares me.

Hearing this news I'm in utter shock and disbelief.

I mean really.. the incentive of having this an adult only place.. I didn't really have to worry about adjusting my 'behavior' too much, because I knew that all of us (until proven otherwise) were adults and mature enough to handle such things. I loved Second Life because for the first time I could express freely and openly without worry of being liable for what I was saying (to an extent of course). Now I'm extremely worried of what's going to be learned and I have good reasons to be worried.

Heh, does this mean we're gonna have a junior reporter working alongside Hamlet Linden -- like Batman and Robin?

Or how about a version of SECONDLIFEHERALD.COM reporting about stuff that appeals to teens? Oh wait...

Really though, the younguns gotta get their scoop of news too!

I was thinking more along the lines of Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, but basically I guess so...

HAHAHA... yeah, Hamlet's had suits for him made before. Having this... a bit of an eggbody and the beanie copter hats -- that shouldn't be such a challenge.

ok.. so, the majority has spoken and said that, basically, we can't trust kids to be kids.

*shrug*

i think this is rather apparent.. always has been. that's why a 13 year old isn't considered an adult in legalese.


BUT...

what if SL Jr. was not available to the public? what if it was delegated to schools, after school programs and the such? i know the window for abusing the system isn't closed much, but SL Jr. would function as a tool for bright and creative minds of these youth.

basically, the only kids introduced to SL Jr. would be those truly interested in the intellectual and artistic horizons of SL Jr., as well as SL proper.

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discuss..

If kiddies are playing they are breaking the TOS and should have their little butts kicked out of sl. I don't concern myself with what if's that is LL job. If they are here, they dont belong here, they are not allowed to be here, period.

Cat

In response to why I wouldn't let my teen play.

Well you answered part of that for me. "Some 16-17 teens are way kinkyer than some of the olderst of us"

So who are they having that virtual sex with? Some 30+ av. Ok that just opens up a huge can of whoop ass lol. The last thing I need is for my teen to come to me and say "mom I just found out I have been having an online affair with a 54 year old..." Can you cay Petafile?

Some teens walk into school with weapons too, just because a teen is doing something does not make it right.

I dont like the idea of exposing my teen to any more "crap" than he/she is already exposed to. Anyone who is the parent of a teen knows exactly what I mean. Its a very difficult world already.

As for the rest of my answer my list of 5 reasons is listed in a previous post in this thread.

Cat

Lemme just clarify this... most of the users, you say? most being the majority? Are "bondage fetish and furry people who use love beds"?

Oooook.

look here now your talking about 11 year olds having sex. This is exactly what I am saying, why invite this kind of crap into our SL. If an 11 year old is having sex that is SEXUAL ABUSE OF A MINOR. It doesn't matter if they are doing it together or not someone in this childs life SCREWED UP ROYALY and IMO should be held accountable. There is no excuse for an 11 year old having sex, ZERO!

Not all 13-17 year olds want to have sex, some are just kids. Nieve kids.

its a sad fu#$%$ up world.

Cat

lol Kris I noticed that too, what a LOAD!

Cat

Did anyone consider this yet;

Mommy gives little johnny her aproval to play SL on the kiddie grid. Johnny is 17, in 6 months Johnny turns 18 and goes to the adult grid, jonny gets an alt. ...

Johnny starts an online love affair with a beautiful woman (one of mommies alts)

Months pass and little Johnny finds out that is on line lover is mommy.

This stuff is scary folks think seriously not about what cant happen but what CAN happen.

Cat

is this a case against the kid grid or against av slapping?

sorry you had to ask;

Kid Grid

I'm beginning to think Linden Labs is just trying to find ways to shoot themselves in the foot.

Well..I guess this could concievably happen, though I think the chances of it are remarkably low. And if little Johnny is 18, well..he ain't so little anymore.

Would make a nice Jerry Springer show though...

That's utterly, unremarkably naive!

LMAO, sorry just the thought ....

Little Johnny alt in IM: hey lemme get your digits and we can do this on the Phone oh so real....

Mommie alt: K my number is 555-IURS

Little Johnny alt: Are you sure this is the right number??

Mommie alt: Yeah why whats wrong??

Little Johnny alt: MOM??????


EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

hahah, Jerry Springer teleprompter title "My Mom's AV is HAWT!!!!!!1"

dont know about the rest of the world, but sex is legal at 17.

If the kids stay off the main grid, and cant even see it then I see no issue. Only concern I have is how the heck does linden labs plan to verify the children's age? How will land rights work... granted some 15 year olds in my neighborhood make enough cash to own 3 islands.

like I say tho if they cant get to the main grid even with a tp offer from someone in the grid then I cant see any issue. This also includes islands.... makes me glad mine is "M"