Canada says "NO" to Bush

Heheheh.. If only I lived in a trailer missy, I could make your fantasy a reality.
But the Reality is that I living a nice comfy home and don't fall into your stereotype.
How do you like dem apples?

i don't understand - two more pages. still know answers. "the enemy" is going to "point their nukes at us." WHO IS CANADA'S ENEMY? canada is not under attack from islamic fundamentalist terrorist. canada is not under attack from N.Korea. people generally don't even know what canada is.

seriously! yes our navy is pathetic, and our army is really only good for a few peacekeeping missions and special forces, and this is disgraceful and should be improved! not to protect canada but so that we can stake our own claim on middle east oil as the west keeps knocking down all the brownie nations one by one.

but why would canada want to be a superpower or fund silly star wars? nobody wants to attack us. this really sounds like you are sad that you have to spend all that money on guns and we spend it on beer. set up a time frame and a wager. i'll bet you canada does not get invaded or nuked.

btw, don't listen to ingrid. the canadian right is irrelevant. they are just there to keep the seperatists in check. they only get elected every 20 yrs or something because we miss running the country into a defecit or want to further alienate french canadians.

Uh oh, Alby. Now you're going to be chided as a gas-guzzling, SUV driving, motorcycle terrorizing Merkin.

My point is this. You engage in discussion, often eloquently and to the point. Generally, I don't dispute much of of what you say, but then you go piss on the whole thing by "stereotyping" others. It invalidates your point.

I want your crystal ball. Be prepared Wu. The Cub Scouts are. Or is it the Brownies?

And most of my French Canadian friends think the language laws are a useless and a waste of time and money.

paolo, everything you wish for is already true. i don't know how much closer canada and the us can get without being one country. do all your friends agree with everything you say and do?

this thread is not about which country is better, at least not how i've read it. it's about the missile defense project and canada opting out of it.

Absolutely. We are close friends, trade partners and allies. We opted out, not as an affront, but because we disagree with it. That's why I love this country.

Definetely. The US and Canada have had a very long partnership. There is really very little that I can think of that would destroy this. And like any partnership, having issues with each other is normal.

Until of course the US decides to invade us and take over our supply or maple syrup and poutine.

Don't tell them about poutine!! One plate full, they will never forget it, and think they invented it

Yep, they've had plenty of experience with fascists. That's probably why they're not bowing down to the ones running our government at the moment.

Damn Straight... I need more OIL!!!!!

But I love you Weedy.. Hehehehehe I'm a crazy American.. lol

Couldn't you opt in, and just disagree? You can't change the system from the outside.

Poutine? What the hell.. French Fries with Gravy and Cheese? You've got to be kidding me.

it's not just any cheese!

I'll stick with Boardwalk Fries that have Vinegar on them. Mmmm Yummy!!!

You know I love you Alby!

Actually, its called nationalistic pride. Other countries are great, I travel often and have typically enjoyed great treatment from the places I've been (even France...which was bee-u-ti-ful!), its just that I love my America most. The people, the places, the amenities, the activities, even the system of government...are all the best, in my opinion of course. Every other country in the world has nationalistic pride (some more than the U.S., some less), why is mine so wrong?

Jingoism: Extreme nationalism characterized especially by a belligerent foreign policy; chauvinistic patriotism.

So, unless you can point to examples where my love for my country could be considered "Extreme", or my views towards other countries as being belligerent, or that my patrotism is best described as fanatically patriotic (i.e. chauvinistic)...then you are the one being driven by propaganda of an entirely different sort.

And my point relates to the intent behind posting this information in the first place. Are you denying that there is an underlying sentiment of cultural superiority north of the border? To broaden the context, this particular article was posted right on the heels of the "British superiority" threads. Any kind of jingoistic (thanks, Chip - I am now fixated on that term ) rhetoric is counterproductive, and I make no apologies for speaking out against what I perceived as a veiled attempt to tout superiority. "Thanks, o <deity of choice>, that we aren't like those ugly Americans."

So, maybe I should just focus on individual behavior, then. Yes, we are somewhat powerless when it comes to influencing our respective national policies. However, we are de facto "ambassadors" of our homelands in these forums, are we not? Currently, I'm hearing a kind of collective f*ck you from our Western friends and allies. That's what irritates the peep out of me, and hence, my warm fuzzies for Canada and Britain are starting to become rather lukewarm and prickly. Attitudes have a way of seeping into the greater cultural mindset. Slap my ass and call me Nellie, but can't we rationally debate policy decisions without it becoming a finger-pointing, name-calling, vainglory-touting flame fest? (Not that this particular thread has that far digressed; again, I am referring to a larger context.)

paolo, you need a chill pill dude. this post came on the heels of canada declining taking part in the missle defense earlier this week and the insuing frenzy on canadian media and some apparently "jingoistic" remarks by american representatives and whacked out american pundits. it has nothing to do with your nationalist pride or recent forum history.

i think you should take your pent up hostility towards the commonwealth and save it for another thread.

god save the queen!

If you believe that any one country can be better than all others (and wow, it just happens to be the one you live in) then that's extreme nationalism. There's a difference between loving your country and believing it to be better than all others. The former is nationalism, the latter is jingoism.

Without a Doubt.. '

Will it make me feel all gooey and loopy inside?

I guess this exchange just proves how imperfect a communication medium is the threaded forum (or written communication, in general). In this thread, I'm focusing on a broader cultural phenomenon and its manifestations in these forums; you're focusing on a narrower media event and its manifestations in the Canadian media. Both discussions are valid, and neither need be reviled for the sake of the other.

Where are you getting your information? We are so much more free than you are in the US. Don't get me wrong, I love the US and most of the people I know from there. But Americans tend to see things only from an American viewpoint. I think this stems from being the powerful country the US is. BUT we Canadians are a great grup of people..we live and let live, have no trouble with gay marriage or pot smoking. We make the best beer in the world except maybe Germany AND our scientists have made a lot of very important discoveries in the war against fatal disease.

Our government looks to help its people, not control them. I don't agree with all they do but I do agree with their recent decision.

Oh and for those who are interested.. Do you know we have sooooooooooooo much less crime up here. Four RCMP killed in a drug raid..first time since the 1800s. Very little racial tension, very clean air and water, and during the 911 troubles, we housed and took care of many US citizens (and other countries as well) who were forced to land here in Canada.

Yes the US is our big brother..the one with the muscles who glares and flexes them when someone looks his way. He exasperates us at time but we love him/her anyway.

Paolo what annoys me is that Americans get wind of only one side of the story, which happens largely because of the political leanings of the networks. Yes, there may be some finger pointing done by Canadians who accuse the US of being this and that, but most of us are glad to be your neighbours. Don't buy into the media hype.