Canada says "NO" to Bush

Have the ones in Long Island been ex-commed yet ?

Oh and another thing. As one of the many who will likely be "left behind" during the rapture, are there any good faithful people who would like to leave me their car when they're gone?

We could draw up the paperwork now. After all, you won't need it and it would probably look good for you if property distribution went smoothly after the rapture.

HAHAHAHAHAHA you can’t possibly say that with a straight face Weedy. That is the funniest thing I have read in a long time. TY for the laugh!


That is a new one. I have NEVER heard anyone say that the US wants to take over Canada. However, if we did it would be similar to swatting a flea. Canadians aren’t exactly known for their military power now are they? Let’s face it, Canada and Mexico for that matter are only sovereign countries at this point because of big brother across the border. Nobody would dare attack either without suffering the wrath of the US military which is how it should be btw. I for one love Canada and it is perfectly fine with me if they remain apart from the US.


I have not heard that talked about a whole bunch. Maybe it is true but I certainly do not believe that Canada is sitting up there indifferent to this. You say it as if Americans think that Canada is encouraging and helping in this which is ridiculous.

Canada has been historically a wonderful ally and we are happy to reciprocate here in the US. The vast majority of Americans have a very positive opinion of our northern neighbors.


Ummm… ya think… haha… TY for stating the obvious there. The same cannot be said about Canada and it’s reliance on the US.

I don't know of a single person and frankly have never heard anyone bash Canada. The vast majority of Americans love Canada and Canadians for that matter.

Just because we don't agree with the current US administration's policies or methodology doesn't mean we aren't your allies, and your friends. We don't see how there is a need, or a use, for a missile defense system of that sort, when nobody's going to be lobbing ICBMs anywhere near North America; the only two nations with any real capability to do so, aren't going to. We all ought to be more worried about a shipping container or two containing an unexpected surprise, rather than flying warheads.

As for terrorism, it's a serious issue. I think perhaps we up here feel the US might be getting carried away with things... maybe milking the issue a little for political hay, a little money, a little influence? Politicians would never do something like that, right? To imply that Canada is unconcerned with terrorism in the US is foolish; what happens to you, directly impacts us as well. I seem to remember a lot of blame being shouted our way after 9/11, claiming the terrorists came through Canada, and they most certainly did not. It's not impossible that some may, or may have already; no border is perfect. But don't tell us we're not doing our job.

We've been probably the closest allies and friendliest nations in the history of the world, for decades. I don't see that changing any time soon. Friends don't always see things the same way, or agree on everything, but if they're actually friends that doesn't matter.

Would you seriously want to have a friend who did everything you said, without question, all the time?

Edit: And of course the US assists greatly in the defense of Canada. To suggest otherwise is a bit silly.

Bingo! Give that man a cigar... I agree completely.

Nice post Cross.

Tell that to your liberal buddies who bash Bush claiming otherwise and complaining about the cost of the war.

The news report, itself, I take at face value. Certainly, the Canadian government made its decision based on its national interests. I have absolutely no issue with a sovereign nation setting its own destiny.

What I am patently sick of is this political arm-chair quarterbacking taking place in our forum. We, in this forum, have no shortage of opinions on virtually every topic under the sun. But when it comes to international policy, how many of us have anywhere near an insider's view? I think I know one person here who truly has a high-level, insider position within GovCo, and that person has yet to weigh in on this topic.

Honestly, I'm surprised we haven't started to see the anti-nationalism flames within this thread. Had they emerged, surely people like me would have been chided for our "extreme nationalism" while the Canadian apologists would have been commended for their tolerance. How hypocritical would that have been? What I am really calling attention to is this covert right/wrong paradigm that is being shoved down our throats. Can you honestly say that the intent of posting this article wasn't to make Canada "right" and the US "wrong?" I thought this group was far too post-modernist to buy into a black-and-white assessment of emerging history.

Well... Canada was right. For Canada. It all depends on context.

Since I love both countries and have had citizenship in both - I'm staying out of this fray other than to point out the following in response to your post Billy:

Tucker Carlson: deriding the "limpid, flaccid nature of Canadian society,"

Tucker Carlson : "Without the U.S., Canada is essentially Honduras, but colder and much less interesting" -

Tucker Carlson: "I think if Canada were responsible for its own security [it] would be invaded by Norway" -

Tucker Carlson: "Canada's essentially ... a made-in-Taiwan version of the United States" -

Ann Coulter: saying that Canada is "lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent."

And to point out that it was Harry Truman who probably had it right when he said:

"this strong bond between our two great countries is not just "through the happy circumstance of geography [but instead] is compounded of one part proximity and nine parts good will and common sense."

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To be clearer, I was referring to people I personally know, not some political commentators et all. I don't even know who the hell Tucker Carlson is anyway... lol.

I was being facetious. Have you looked at the price tag recently? Oil revenue paying for the war was just another lie.


I'm not sure if you've heard of this little thing called "the rest of the world". It's pretty big from what I hear.

Canada has allies as well. I bet half the world would cum in their pants on the way to help Canada if we ever attacked them.

If you are looking for a fight you won't get one here.

I love Canada and I would fight for them if necessary just as I did for the United States which includes you btw.

That does not change the fact that Canada is like our little brother and does rely on us. We are more than happy to help and always will.

You fought for me? Are you sure?

North Korea You Hippies





Tenet: North Korea has ballistic missile capable of hitting U.S.
Wednesday, February 12, 2003 Posted: 7:14 PM EST (0014 GMT)
CIA Director Tenet testified Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- North Korea has an untested ballistic missile capable of hitting the United States, top U.S. intelligence officials said Wednesday.

While testifying at a Senate committee hearing in Washington, CIA Director George Tenet was asked whether North Korea had a ballistic missile capable of reaching the U.S. West Coast.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/02/12/us.nkorea/

I cross the Canadian/US border several times a year as a respectable person who has committed no crimes, bears no arms, no criminal record, and has paid taxes in both countries. I have generally crossed the border (when flying) after having been scrutinized, having my licence scrutinized, my passport scrutinized, my breasts patted, shoes removed, intentions questioned, amount of money i have with me on either side questioned, amount of goods I have taken questioned, and whereabouts questioned a minimum of 12 times each trip (including airport security as well as customs). Each time, I clear customs twice in addition to the security of a minimum of 5 airports. As a bearer of a U.S. Passport, I have occasionally gotten to go to the front of the line when I am requested to talk to Immigration Canada (I am quite aware of the privilege I carry as a result of being born American) but nonetheless, the process of security is about 1/4 of the time of travel for the trip. I am confident that the border is as well patrolled as any border can be between nations that do so much trading together.

Since moving to Canada, I have been teased a lot by my U.S. dwelling family. They sometimes jump on me, too, seeming to hold me somehow responsible for the political decisions of the nation, which I largely back. The present U.S. Administration has engaged in bully tactics and worse with countries, particularly when they have natural resources. Most people in the U.S. also don't have access to fair, unbiased news about the actions of the politicians of their own country whereas some people in other countries (such as Canada and Europe) get this news. There is, therefore, a fundamental problem of communication. Even when we compare oranges to oranges, the oranges look a little different in the U.S. because people get only biased news coverage there. (The news is owned other than NPR and even they get told what stories to drop.) For example, very few Americans know that the present administration was involved with the short-lived kidnapping of a democratically elected Venezuelan president, nor how the President of Opec likely saved the chap's job if not life by warning him of the kidnapping plot before hand. This story involved soldiers in secret passageways, U.S. National security advisers present at the place where the Venezuelan president was held after he was kidnapped, and the democratically-elected president being returned to his rightful place, after his guys were found to have surrounded the insurgents. Does that sound like terrorism to you? Kidnapping is a pretty big deal, and at the very least the whole thing is a pretty sensational story (though entirely true). Sounds like an amazing movie plot doesn't it? Newspapers usually love to cover such juicy stories. Why didn't they, stateside? Gotta wonder.

I love the U.S., and plan to move back there to be closer to people I love, (esp. as my gramma gets on in years) but Canada has a lot going for it. I LOVE paying $40/month to go to the doctor instead of paying $250 a month with a $500 deductible for the same thing, or paying $30 instead of $60 for the same bottle of antibiotics. The U.S. Armaments industry sucks up the U.S. taxpayer's dollars at an ever increasing rate. Eventually, the madness Has to stop! Maybe if the U.S. didn't elect administrations that sink the country into deficit and debt by astronomically increasing military spending while simultaneously cutting infrastructure spending, it might eventually have health care for every child in the U.S.! Imagine if all American kids could go to the Doctor! Wouldn't that be better than trillions of dollars spent on something that most scientists say won't work? My .02cents. ~ Perse

Why don't you stay in Canada. You love paying $40/month for the doctor, but all thats really happening is that your paying for the extra $200 in the form of VAT tax everytime you buy something. That tax only goes to subsidize those low prices. You are fooling yourself if you think its just cheaper in Canada and the US is just full of greedy people.

When Pfizer spends 13 years pour BILLIONS into a new drug and that patent expires at 17 years or so to save your Gramma from illiness, you don't think Pfizer should charge enough money to recoup their investment before the patent expires and everybody has a generic on the market? Your living in a dream world missy. Companies and the people who make/provide the goods you buy don't work for free as most hippies believe. There is a cost of doing business... And if a pill cost $20, its not because it cost $.50/cents to make that drug..

Canada is a Socialist County in which the Government in its fruitless quest to provide Utopia for its people ends up controlling every aspect of their life. The FREE MARKET is the best way to go. Thats why American Companies who work for profit spend the billions on new drugs that help all to get profit as the reward. The benefit is that you live longer and don't die from an insect bite. Other countries kill off that spark of invention by controlling everything to make the world better, only to end up with high unemployment (France/Germany) because there are no jobs. Open your eyes, America isn't the Problem, its the Cure. Liberal Thinking that the world is full of Peace, Love, and Free Rainbows only leads to a life of doom and gloom.

for all your lengthy web research, you could have at least looked up the world map, brainiac!

And? North Korea is on the other side of the world. They fire a missile with a range that can hit the US. As such, all they need to do is place a nuclear Warhead on it and (BOOM) there goes Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, etc...

Please understand that roughly half of us did not vote for this administration, two times.

Understand that Anne Coulter, Tucker Carlson, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the lot do NOT represent the mindset of all Americans anymore than does the current presidential administration.

What has become bothersome to me is that some folks seem to be painting a picture of America as a whole, forgetting that many of us are vehemently against the Bush administration. It's a shame, being that we have been given the opportunity to bridge these international gaps and disconnects with a tool like SL, that it keeps creeping back in.

The political demographics of American SLers is overwhelmingly to the left/liberal/social. Why we keep end up back at this point is really disturbing to me.

What I am seeing is the propensity to assume that if someone may be talking out their ass, or simply being acutely ignorant as the thread starter was in that other thread, <http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=36820> and happen to be American, that it must be because they are American. This is where there needs to be a disconnect. Just because someone happens to be from a country whose current administration seems want to go the evolutionary regressive route, does not by default ascribe those same sentiments to any given American, even if they are being stupid at the time.

As far as the particular buffoons who make remarks like Tucker and Coulter, they are windbags and live in a starry eyed fantasy land.

We are not JesusLand folks, even though Bush would love it if we were. Plastering a label across a map of the US that says as such is as irresponsible as some of the ridiculous statements made by some Americans like, "without us Canada wouldn't be safe", "they're lucky we let them exist on the same continent", etc. These types of sentiments, from boths sides, add to the problem. In SL, we have a chance to go beyond all this pettiness, if we can...

As I said, I don't begrudge Canada's policy decision to abstain from participation in a joint missile defense program. Overall, the CBC article seems to indicate a general willingness on the part of Ottawa to engage with the US on other defense-related programs.

So yeah, the US has taken some rather knee-jerk actions in this post-9/11 world. I'm not saying that the US hasn't brought some of this naysaying upon itself. What I'm saying is this: Enough already. Us average Joes and Josephine's have very little personal power to affect the changes you seek.

In response to your statement, Cross, is being "right" in the now not also a matter of current perception vs. future historical interpretation? On major policy decisions, the pendulum of public opinion will undoubtedly swing both directions as time goes by. Which extreme (if there really is a truly black-and-white answer) will have been "correct?" History, more than likely, will be the judge.

Canada's VAT is 7%


Without a VAT
A widget manufacturer spends $1 on raw materials to make a widget.
The widget is sold wholesale to a widget retailer for $1.20, making a profit of $0.20.
The widget retailer then sells the widget to a widget consumer for $1.50, making a profit of $0.30.

With a VAT
Adding on a 10% VAT:

The manufacturer pays $1.10 for the raw materials, and the seller of the raw materials pays the government $0.10.
The manufacturer charges the retailer $1.32 and pays the government $0.02 ($0.12 minus $0.10), leaving the same profit of $0.20.
The retailer charges the consumer $1.65 and pays the government $0.03 ($0.15 minus $0.12), leaving the same profit of $0.30.
So the consumer has paid 10% ($0.15) extra. The businesses have not lost anything directly to the tax, but they do have the extra paperwork to do so that they correctly pass on to the government the difference between what they collect in VAT (output VAT, an 11th of their income) and what they spend in VAT (input VAT, an 11th of their expenditure).

quit marganizing caucasion little people, Alby.

What are you talking about....